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[hiver]

As to the matter of black people in fantasy... look at W2 for example

But more seriously, i really, really wish that any of them that usually complain about being misrepresented in fantasies made or based upon more "scandinavian" legends and myths - would just fucking go and do their own fanatsy stories and games - based on their own legends, myths and culture. For fuck sake.
Because i would really love to play something like that. Where the generic white guy would be the lip service - expendable side kick.
And because the Scandinavian myths are completely spent and overused and turned into mindnumbing cliches built out of cliches.

I loved liked the bioware... what was its name... (google recollect spell!) - Jade Empire - precisely because it was not another "white" fantasy. Yes, even a bioware game. (actually it was pretty decent compared to any other shit bioware threw out after BG2)
And dont go all "bwaaah but evil slavers stole mah culture and made me eat burgers and coca cola all day!" - fuck you. You have google, dig and search. Go to Africa and rediscover it all.

Fucking hell, i would love if an actual African would take some of his culture myths and legends and make an RPG based on that.
I would back that with real money.

Stop fucking complaining about not being Scandinavian-western European knights and princesses - youre not, your never were, you never will be - start doing your own thing. Let whites complain why they cant be... .... ... - what? I dont know... nobody is teaching me!

/ rant

 

[deuxhero]

based on their own legends, myths and culture. For fuck sake.

Hahahahaahaha

The SJWs are pretty much never of the opressed minority they represent, super majority being upper class whites who majored in English or dropped out (if they are even old enough to go to college). In fact, most of the "oppressed" tell them to fuck off.

I'd love to see non-Toliken ripoff fantasy though.

(also, I've mentioned it before, but the viking were good sailors and did travel to and trade wtih Africa, so they would be the one European culture that I wouldn't be too surprised to find a token black in if went in a time machine)

 

[hiver]

You failed to understand what im saying. And i thought i was being simplistic enough. Try reading again.
I mean actually reading - not listening to what your brain thinks its reading.
(Obviously there were and there can be various token black and other races characters that held or can hold various positions, youre not the only one who knows about Vikings nor some of us dont know general European history that includes much more then shits from Norway)

maybe next time, it will work.

also, what the fuck are SJWs abbreviated for? I dont speak internet retardo.

south...jesuit... wwww... hhh...bllleeehhhh ?



SJWS - San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary (Irvine, CA)
SJWS - San Jose Wind Symphony
SJWS - Society of Japanese Women Scientists

 

[wesleyclark]

also, what the fuck are SJWs abbreviated for? I dont speak internet retardo.

south...jesuit... wwww... hhh...bllleeehhhh ?

Social Justice Warrior

 

[hiver]

Ah, thanks.

- Im actually just waiting for someone to mention Saracens... and Islamic caliphates... if any of those justice warriors wants to talk about slavery...

 

[Xbalanque]

You failed to understand what im saying. And i thought i was being simplistic enough. Try reading again.
I mean actually reading - not listening to what your brain thinks its reading.
(Obviously there were and there can be various token black and other races characters that held or can hold various positions, youre not the only one who knows about Vikings nor some of us dont know general European history that includes much more then shits from Norway)

maybe next time, it will work.

also, what the fuck are SJWs abbreviated for? I dont speak internet retardo.

south...jesuit... wwww... hhh...bllleeehhhh ?



SJWS - San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary (Irvine, CA)
SJWS - San Jose Wind Symphony
SJWS - Society of Japanese Women Scientists

But they are misrepresented. I mean look on the Risen 2 - total orientalisation of the Voodoo.
Of course it would be possible to find some mythology and develop a story on that, I always wanted to have a game based on Azthec cosmology and think that would be awesome. However, it's the big developers who hold the capital and who stick to the white people mythologies for some reason

 

[hiver]

But they are misrepresented.

did i say they are not?

How about READING?

 

[Xor]

Of course it would be possible to find some mythology and develop a story on that, I always wanted to have a game based on Azthec cosmology and think that would be awesome. However, it's the big developers who hold the capital and who stick to the white people mythologies for some reason

We live in the age of indie games and kickstarter. Maybe these people who spend time complaining about a lack of cultural representation in their games should put some effort into actually making one. I'm not going to imply that it would be easy - anyone who's ever worked on a game will tell you that it isn't. But change isn't accomplished by just passively demanding that things get better. Change is only affected through actual effort, by people putting everything on the line in the hopes that things get better. This issue is so minor that the only thing these people would even have to risk would be some time, so I fail to see what's stopping them. Aside from a total lack of drive to create things themselves. And thanks to kickstarter, they wouldn't be relying on publisher money, assuming there's actually an audience out there for a fantasy game based on South America/African/Asia/whatever myths and culture. Which, like hiver, I would actually be interested to see (I know fuck all about African legends, for example, so it would all be fresh to me).

 

[Hormalakh]

LOL at people who think that if your skin color is black, then you're "African."

That's some KWA-style brain-washing that's happened.

 

[Xbalanque]

Of course, still the question is who has the access to the Kickstarter etc. and how is it possible to implement such ideas in a Western product which is computer gaming. Maybe the lack of representation is also due to relying less on written word on some of the concept. Still, I think one thing is the lack of representation, the other the fact that even if it exists it's cliched bullshit most of the time (If I can expand to other minorities, not only ethnic - homosexualism in Mass Effect).

Still, I agree with Xor if it was the ones who embody the culture to take on the initiative - any other way around it would be white men appropriating and inevitably distorting somebody elses culture to make profit.

 

[Hobo Elf]

LOL at people who think that if your skin color is black, then you're "African."

That's some KWA-style brain-washing that's happened.

It's like the story of one black guy from Britain who went to America and people called him Afro-British and even Afro-American (lol). It confused the hell out of him and he kept trying to explain that he's just British, not afro-something, but people wouldn't get it.

 

[hiver]

:you guys:

Of course it would be possible to find some mythology and develop a story on that, I always wanted to have a game based on Azthec cosmology and think that would be awesome. However, it's the big developers who hold the capital and who stick to the white people mythologies for some reason

We live in the age of indie games and kickstarter. Maybe these people who spend time complaining about a lack of cultural representation in their games should put some effort into actually making one. I'm not going to imply that it would be easy - anyone who's ever worked on a game will tell you that it isn't. But change isn't accomplished by just passively demanding that things get better. Change is only affected through actual effort, by people putting everything on the line in the hopes that things get better. This issue is so minor that the only thing these people would even have to risk would be some time, so I fail to see what's stopping them. Aside from a total lack of drive to create things themselves. And thanks to kickstarter, they wouldn't be relying on publisher money, assuming there's actually an audience out there for a fantasy game based on South America/African/Asia/whatever myths and culture. Which, like hiver, I would actually be interested to see (I know fuck all about African legends, for example, so it would all be fresh to me).

Gee... what a surprise. You can understand things.

Xbalanque - stop whining. Start doing.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

LOL at people who think that if your skin color is black, then you're "African."

That's some KWA-style brain-washing that's happened.

It's like the story of one black guy from Britain who went to America and people called him Afro-British and even Afro-American (lol). It confused the hell out of him and he kept trying to explain that he's just British, not afro-something, but people wouldn't get it.

It's only in America that the country of your ancestors actually matters at all. Plays into the manifest destiny myth - that you can come from anywhere in the world and be American but you've still gotta have your old identity. Here in Britain nobody gives a fuck as long as you're not a dick about it. "African British", "Indian British", these terms just aren't used.

 

[hiver]

man... ill have to check with some French what are some derogatory terms for Brits. Or English, exactly. They should know the best.
And French on the site?

Hell, one of the best tv series we've watched as kids was one about Shaka Zulu. We all rooted for for him, of course. Wheres my damn Shaka Zuku game where i kill the english scum all the time?

/

ah: 'island monkey'

In South Africa the term pom may also be used, while Afrikaans speakers may use the term rooinek (literally "red neck", another reference to sunburning)

haha, youre all rednecks.

- of course, this doesnt refer to >Scottish, Irish or Welsh people - who are all right and stand up guys. - and gals.

 

[deuxhero]

Play the PSP Jeanne d'Arc.

even if it exists it's cliched bullshit most of the time (If I can expand to other minorities, not only ethnic - homosexualism in Mass Effect).

You bought into the claim ME was even new when it is unable to claim even that.

 

[Abelian]

Wheres my damn Shaka Zuku game where i kill the english scum all the time?

vs.

 

[Xbalanque]

You bought into the claim ME was even new when it is unable to claim even that.

Well, I didn't intend to claim that, of course there were other games to show this earlier. The F2 depiction however wouldn't really serve as an example of a shitty depiction IMHO.

 

[hiver]

Yeah well...it was just an example. I would rather play Crazy Horse stomping over Custer, for example. Or Cochise and Geronimo fighting the terrorists.

hmmm... damn, one at a time. One at a time.

Have to say i was positively surprised by how much native Americans are represented in W2.
Always thought that was one of the bigger missed opportunities and failures in Fallouts, though the New Vegas spinoff corrected that a little.

 

[GrimoireFTW]

Yeah well...it was just an example. I would rather play Crazy Horse stomping over Custer, for example. Or Cochise and Geronimo fighting the terrorists.

hmmm... damn, one at a time. One at a time.

Have to say i was positively surprised by how much native Americans are represented in W2.
Always thought that was one of the bigger missed opportunities and failures in Fallouts, though the New Vegas spinoff corrected that a little.

QQ some more about white people ruling the world you nigger scum

 

[hiver]

wut?


OK, thats it - when i make my own forums there will be an IQ test in registering process.

 

[Visbhume]

This recent wilderness screenshot looks pretty good:

 

[Hormalakh]

whoa...where is that from?

 

[FeelTheRads]

From Troll Valley.

 

[Hormalakh]

from the forums re: GM sucker punches.

On this general topic, I recently picked up 13th Age and was pleasantly surprised that a lot of the base d20 modifications in their game are similar to the sorts of things we were doing in Pillars of Eternity. The mechanics are not always the same, but some of the goals seem to be. The way they handle paralysis/petrify/death is pretty well-suited to tabletop turn-based play. When the character gets hit with one of the "you're out" effects, they get to take one more action before they're effectively barred from performing more actions. However, on their turns, they continue rolling saves. It's only after they've failed a series of saves over many rounds that the effect becomes permanent (or at least for the duration of combat in the case of paralysis).



The potential danger is similar and the biggest penalty (the character being removed from combat) is still present, but it feels less like a sucker punch because a) the victim can still react to it (once) after being hit b) the players still perform an action on their turns (roll a save, as with ongoing effects in 4E) and c) other characters can also intervene before the victim passes the point of no return.



Surprise! Death saves I think usually feel like Jedi Outcast snipers. They don't test your gaming abilities as much as they test your patience, since a lot of your success depends on trial and error followed by metagaming hard counters to learned threats after a reload.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/65...nd-the-gameplay-challenges-thereof/?p=1437825

 

[Hormalakh]

sweet, he also answered my question about thrown potions:

There are a couple of thrown "kablooie" weapons. They don't use a special skill, but the character's normal Accuracy (class base + [{level-1} * 3] + Dexterity), sometimes with a modifier from the item itself.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/65937-throwing-potions/?p=1437817

other stuff:

Benedictous, on 07 Apr 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:

I know its super late to talk about game design now, but this just ircked me so much playing through these games. Dungeon corridors. MY GOSH they are tiny. I would wait another year past this game's release date if they didn't have dungeons like that.
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Our dungeon/interior corridors have all been designed with full party navigation in mind. You won't find anything as narrow as Firewine Bridge in Pillars of Eternity.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/66007-did-a-full-playthrough-of-bg1-bg-tob/?p=1437771

Our companion portraits are all separate from the PC portraits.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61449-feature-request-changeable-portraits/?p=1437814