Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[tuluse]

Re: Baldur's Gate sales figure

That includes all the myriad compilations and re-releases that were released over the years.

I think the original games each sold like 500k-1000k copies on release.

But remember, Baldur's Gate profits were divided between Bioware, Interplay, WotC and retailers. Eternity profits will go to Obsidian and Gaben/GOG only.

This is actually making me a lot more hopeful.

If Wasteland 2 or P:E can sell 1 million copies, with 70% of revenue going straight to the devs, at $30 a copy, that's 21 million right into those companies. That's a AAA game right there if they wanted to.

 

[Grimlorn]

Sawyer from SA:

It's very unlikely that priests will be strongly dominant healers in PE.

The plot thickens....

Health regen or health restored after combat confirmed. Game is going to suck hard.

 

[Murk]

I donno, D&D style clerics aren't healers in the typical sense. Strong healing in the jRPG style is basically 1 heal > 3+ hits/spell, where-is in D&D (depending on the type of heal) 1 heal < 1 hit/spell as a general rule of thumb.

In fact, most healing is done outside of battle usually with the use of scrolls or wands, where-as healing spells in battle are rare occurrences or meta-magic'd spells. Typically, anyway. Then take something like WoW in which a single heal can effectively restore a person to a large chunk of health at low levels and at high levels, where-as in D&D only one spell does that -- Heal, which is a high level spell.

So... basically I think it's more about the class's role and less about healing mechanics. Then again this is the guy who is defending cool-downs by not explaining what he means by cool-downs.

 

[Excidium]

Healbots are a fucking disgrace, if you like that shit consider killing yourself

 

[Infinitron]

What is a "strongly dominant healer"? Perhaps the main healing spells will activate a slow health regen, like Swallow potions in Witcher.

 

[Excidium]

What is a "strongly dominant healer"? Perhaps the main healing spells will activate a slow health regen, like Swallow potions in Witcher.

it's somebody that sits back and just worries about keeping the party alive instead of contributing directly to battle.

 

[Roguey]

Repeating myself again and again...Regeneration of ALL abilities between encounters => no attrition => over 9000 trash mobs be coming our way.

If you think all your spells are going to regenerate in-between every fight you are quite literally a moron. Feel free to quote this back at me if I'm wrong, because I'm pretty confident I'm not.

Health regen or health restored after combat confirmed. Game is going to suck hard.

False, Sawyer's already mentioned that there's a heal spell "but not the way you think" meaning it isn't simply giving you HP, and when Captain Possibly Retarded was trolling him about CoD he said health regeneration was too lenient for the target audience.

 

[Grimlorn]

Health regen or health restored after combat confirmed. Game is going to suck hard.

False, Sawyer's already mentioned that there's a heal spell "but not the way you think" meaning it isn't simply giving you HP, and when Captain Possibly Retarded was trolling him about CoD he said health regeneration was too lenient for the target audience.

I missed that comment by Sawyer. So it means that you'll be sucking souls to restore health like in Soul Reaver, or mobs will drop health globes to restore your health regularly like in Diablo 3. Man this game is going to such hard.

 

[Dexter]

That's why I want Sawyer et all to come up with a mechanic to encourage players to not rest.

Probably the easiest way to do this would be to include single-use rest areas and prevent the player from backtracking into town once they enter a dungeon. A little game-y, though, and I think more people would be pissed than wouldn't.

As I said before, such a mechanic existed before and worked rather well (although the balancing wasn't exactly perfect, you have to balance the entire dungeon/area around that) in DDO: http://ddowiki.com/page/Shrine

Rest shrines are tall monoliths with a blue symbol found in quests and wilderness adventure areas that can be used to replenish hit points, spell points, and special abilities (like Turn Undead or item clickies) as well as remove negative ailments and reset the death penalty.
Rest shrines can be used only once in quests on Hard and Elite settings, once every 15 minutes on Normal and in wilderness areas, and once every 5 minutes on Solo and Casual.

On banalshitboring difficulty as it says they could be reused, but on harder difficulties with better rewards & shit they were one-time only, so you had to think tactically WHEN you wanted to use it, right now before you go on or rather clear more of the dungeon and come back? There was no HP/MP or spell regen otherwise and you always had to manage holding out just long enough to use the "Rest" opportunity at the right time, if you pushed ahead too much though you'd risk dieing. The biggest problem around this (or a system similar to Dark Souls) would likely be save-scumming though. In neither of these games you could save at will.

 

[Volourn]

"I believe BG2 sold like 200k in the 90s. That's pretty small time for publisher."

BG2 sold 2mil+. Upwards of 3mil including expansion. This is before the spamming of rereleases and GOG and all the other shit. BG1 sold basically the same. This was on the BIO site way back when they first got their own.

 

[jewboy]

It would be incredible if a true BG3 would sell as much today. I don't understand what is happening over in the kickstarter comments. It's like some kind of strange metamorphosis. I don't think I've ever seen human beings acting in that way. It is very strange. Is that what the Bioware forums are like all the time?

 

[logrus]

You know there are people who actually buy games in our shithole? RPGs are among the best selling since like, forever. Remember BG? Or you are too young? Polish translation will be probably done by CD-Projekt cause of deal with GOG. Stop whining.

This.
On the other hand PE is not that BIG title to get the same, detailed localization with voices form the best tier of Polish actors as in case BG or IWD. So we'll probably miss Henryk Talars's narration and last but not least "Przed wyruszeniem w drogę należy zebrać drużynę"

 

[DalekFlay]

I missed that comment by Sawyer. So it means that you'll be sucking souls to restore health like in Soul Reaver, or mobs will drop health globes to restore your health regularly like in Diablo 3. Man this game is going to such hard.

"This game is not exactly what I would design so of course it sucks."

 

[FeelTheRads]

I missed that comment by Sawyer. So it means that you'll be sucking souls to restore health like in Soul Reaver, or mobs will drop health globes to restore your health regularly like in Diablo 3. Man this game is going to such hard.

"This game is not exactly what I would design so of course it sucks."

So you think health globes are a good way to go?

 

[wormix]

So you think health globes are a good way to go?

 

[DalekFlay]

So you think health globes are a good way to go?

I think that is an assumption he is making because he desperately does not want to be optimistic. Sawyer is saying pretty much exactly what people should want to hear (outside making it turn-based, which would betray the point of the whole thing) yet they still find something to be pessimistic about.

What is the point of the glorious kickstarter/indie incline revolution if we're going to second-guess every fucking little thing? Like Baldur's Gate and Torment were fucking perfect games.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Killed enemies will drop soul globes that will heal.

 

[FeelTheRads]

What? Grimlord assumed it will have health globes and DalekFlay responded in the typical Obsidian-apologist "haters gonna hate" fashion. Believe me, if Obsidian announces health globes these people will actually discuss them and claim Obsidian can do them right.

because he desperately does not want to be optimistic.

I didn't know being optimistic is an obligation.

What is the point of the glorious kickstarter/indie incline revolution

1. Obsidian is hardly doing any revolution.
2. If you let them stray from their initial pitch, then yes, what the fuck is the point of Kickstarter?

The "point" is when your wishes coincide with the intentions of the project creator. If those intentions change then it doesn't work anymore.
And don't tell me it's about helping fulfill someboby else's dream. That's absolute bullshit.

 

[DalekFlay]

I didn't know being optimistic is an obligation.

You can be optimistic without being apologetic. You can enjoy something without thinking it's perfect. It makes for a much less miserable life, I assure you.

 

[J_C]

I missed that comment by Sawyer. So it means that you'll be sucking souls to restore health like in Soul Reaver, or mobs will drop health globes to restore your health regularly like in Diablo 3. Man this game is going to such hard.

"This game is not exactly what I would design so of course it sucks."

So you think health globes are a good way to go?

Where the fuck did you draw that conclusion from? Why don't you say that this game will use space ships or Terminator cyborgs? Because it seems that we are at a point where people make random shit up, that are definitely won't be in the game and rage about it!

 

[CrustyBot]

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61...etween-the-traditionalists-and-evolutionists/

 

[Grunker]

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61...etween-the-traditionalists-and-evolutionists/

But:

tl;dr version: Biowarians bad. Codexians good. Please don't strain yourself trying to read any more than that.

 

[Hobz]

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61...etween-the-traditionalists-and-evolutionists/

Wow this post is full of crap. The guy clearly lives in a fantasy, so much generalizations, facts and conclusions just pulled out of his ass...

 

[Spectacle]

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61...etween-the-traditionalists-and-evolutionists/

But:

tl;dr version: Biowarians bad. Codexians good. Please don't strain yourself trying to read any more than that.

An excellent practical example of how it's not impossible to reach a correct conclusion even with a flawed argument.

 

[Infinitron]

Okay, who the fuck is metiman?

My response: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61...s-and-evolutionists/page__st__40#entry1225129