Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Cursed Platypus]

I personally don't care what the UI looks like, just so long as it's functional and not an eyesore I am content with decline. The game will support mods, and the UI will likely be a popular element to mod.

Mods don't have production values. It's really rare for a mods to reach comparable esthetic value than the original game.

And fuck off Nongraphicwhore.

 

[Blaine]

Mods don't have production values. It's really rare for a mods to reach comparable esthetic value than the original game.

I typically find that the best UI mods are much better than the a game's default UI, but at this juncture it remains to be seen.

 

[felipepepe]

I personally don't care what the UI looks like, just so long as it's functional and not an eyesore. The game will support mods, and the UI will likely be a popular element to mod.

Mods don't have production values. It's really rare for a mods to reach comparable esthetic value than the original game.

You're joking, right? Mods like SkyUI vastly improve both the usabilitiy and even the production values... and people like St. Toxic's can make a better UI in a day than a designer did after weeks working on it. Not to mention games like WoW, that have bazillions of UI mods, all of them with added features and usability.

 

[Cursed Platypus]

I personally don't care what the UI looks like, just so long as it's functional and not an eyesore. The game will support mods, and the UI will likely be a popular element to mod.

Mods don't have production values. It's really rare for a mods to reach comparable esthetic value than the original game.

You're joking, right? Mods like SkyUI vastly improve both the usabilitiy and even the production values... and people like St. Toxic's can make a better UI in a day than a designer did after weeks working on it. Not to mention games like WoW, that have bazillions of UI mods, all of them with added features and usability.

Game tweaking and better usability are what mods do. THey don't give better esthetical content. Therefore improving a minimalistic UI will be difficult if one wishes to keep the esthetic intact.

 

[LeJosh]

Vastly underestimating the talent of modders out there.

 

[Cursed Platypus]

Vastly underestimating the talent of modders out there.

I don't think so.

 

[LeJosh]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Are there mods out there that you thought were just so fuck ugly as to put you off all mods?

I've seen plenty of re-textures, weather systems and the like being added by modders making games far better. Hell, STALKER is nothing without the Complete mods, or are we just discussing within a certain criteria of mods?

As to UI mods, well, they've always been better than stock UIs. Like felipepepe said, SkyUI is a necessity for Skrimjob on PC.

Edit - I feel ilke I said MODS too much in this post. :D

 

[Tigranes]

That mockup I think is fine, as long as combat log can be extended. They surely could have something like that be the 'minimal' version, then have an 'IE' version that is chunkier.

 

[SCO]

I don't have much hope for better UI's after shipping. What most people who never programmed in their life fail to realize, is that the real usability clunkers are not graphical (the GUI), but derive from programing, so even a externalized GUI wouldn't be much help.

Things like:
popups with no focus or focus stealing or keyboard selection (eador)
losing team selection at the drop of hat (JA2)
spawning a popup for all movement of stacks (Ultima 7)
RtwP (Infinity engine )
...

If the source was open, i'd have more hope.

 

[Surf Solar]

This actually gives me a bit of cause for concern

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/63851-update-54-art-update-work-is-in-progress/page-23#entry1337809

Looks like shit.

 

[Excidium]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

 

[Blaine]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

But we'll be able to see an additional 1/3rd of the bottom 1/7th of the screen!

 

[Excidium]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

But we'll be able to see an additional 1/3rd of the bottom 1/7th of the screen!

Don't worry because some brainded obsidrone has a solution to make it better:

Can we have an option with no gaps? Even if it's a purely decorative part with no action buttons. Disablable of course.

Could have something like that be the 'minimal' version, then have an 'IE' version that is chunkier

 

[Rake]

The worst thing about IE games (for those who cared) was the fact the player wasn't able to see his character in his face. The portraits were shown during dialogues, but they were too small to have an impact on the player's experience. Everything was contained into the log and so it was like reading a book. Somewhat immersion breaking I would say.

Yes, definitely a terrible thing about IE games

 

[Roguey]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

START
CLOCK

 

[Infinitron]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

But we'll be able to see an additional 1/3rd of the bottom 1/7th of the screen!

Don't worry because some brainded obsidrone has a solution to make it better:

Can we have an option with no gaps? Even if it's a purely decorative part with no action buttons. Disablable of course.

Could have something like that be the 'minimal' version, then have an 'IE' version that is chunkier

I think that "braindead obsidrone" is Rake?

 

[Kirtai]

Whoever puts important UI elements in the fucking corners need to stop trying UI design.

Yeah, clickable UI elements should never be in the quickest and easiest place to reach them.

 

[Rake]

Infinitron
Yes.

 

[CappenVarra]

J.E. Sawyer 21m

It's not the number of Attributes that is unconventional, but how they are applied to derived statistics. It's more "gamist" than "simulationist". D&D's ability score system tries to be both and, IMO, fails because of it.

ugh

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

J.E. Sawyer 21m

It's not the number of Attributes that is unconventional, but how they are applied to derived statistics. It's more "gamist" than "simulationist". D&D's ability score system tries to be both and, IMO, fails because of it.

Makes sense. Why make a game where it'd be useful for a fighter to be intelligent/wise/charismatic when instead you can just make charisma govern the amount of axes you can wield or whatever the fuck he's thinking about doing.

 

[Arkeus]

Because Charisma governing the amount of spells a sorcerer has make so much sense.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Because Charisma governing the amount of spells a sorcerer has make so much sense.

Not sure if this was a response to me, but of course that doesn't make a lick of sense. That's the "gamist" half of D&D Sawyer talks about, and instead of just abandoning that, he's abandoning the only part of the system that made any sense.

 

[Arkeus]

Or he is choosing attributes that are purely gamists, not one that pretend to be simulationist and thus break the game by the lack of cohesion.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Or he is choosing attributes that are purely gamists, not one that pretend to be simulationist and thus break the game by the lack of cohesion.

Fine, then he won't have "charisma" but "number of abilities/spells decider thing"; what's the point unless you're making an action rpg? There's nothing inherently wrong with the charisma, intelligence and wisdom attributes; PT showed that in part (yes, it was unbalanced as fuck, but at least it made sense for a fighter to have int and wis).

 

[e-mailio estevez]

I like the look of the portraits in that mockup. They look a lot like IWD portraits