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[One Wolf]

i didn't think of the former, but hey, maybe its either/or.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Homophobia is hilarious to me.

"You're afraid of gay people because you're probably gay yourself."

Given that the most dire insult that can be levelled at a homophobe is to call them gay, is anyone surprised that the concept doesn't create tolerance?

At my uni, we have posters that proclaim "Homophobia. It's just plain ugly." It's also an irrational fear, and beyond the conscious control of the phobic. Besides, what's wrong with being afraid of something? It's when you're actively hostile toward something that it becomes a problem.

The part of the term I like the most is the "fear" part. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you're afraid of it. I remember watching CNN ten years ago where they were showing some fag rally somewhere(probably California, fags like California), and they showed two guys kissing. We're talking DEEP MOUTH SLOBBERY KISSING. It was pretty damned disgusting. Now, I don't mind seeing a guy and a girl kiss like that on TV.. Or two girls.. But two guys is just plain gross. Then again, I would have had the same reaction if it were two fat people kissing or two people as ugly as EvoG kissing.

Fear had nothing to do with my reaction there. If I were irrationally afraid of fags, I probably would have fearfully changed the channel when they started talking about the fag rally to avoid being frightenned of the fags marching and picketting with their propeganda. Instead, I was pretty unaffected in any way by it(until the disgusting video of the fags kissing) and just casually biding my time until some real news came up on the screen.

 

[Data4]

BWAHAAHAHAAA!!! ....no...

I've got this stubborn streak about me where, no matter how much the fantasies of two chicks in bed gives me wood, the idea of screwing another woman besides my wife doesn't sit well with me. Yeah, yeah... go ahead... call bullshit on that one.

-D4

 

[Revasser]

There is a case to be made that all hate or dislike stems from some kind of fear, be it conscious or unconscious, but that's not really relevant. "Phobia" doesn't necessarily mean only "fear", so saying "I'm not scared though!" when called a "homophobe" is pointless.

What always amuses me is when guys are jumping all over each other trying to be the one that uses the most hyperbole to describe HOW MUCH they don't like gays. "OMG! It made me wanna throw up!" "UGH! It was disgusting!" Closet case or no closet case, it's pretty pathetic. Why does anyone care? If you don't like it, you don't like it. It's not a competition. You'd think there'd be better things to do in life than bitch about how much you don't like who someone else screws.

That's basically the entire reason people say every homophobe is a cloest case, because they say the exact stupid shit that REAL closet cases say.

How did this thread about up as a macho fag-hating bitchfest, though? I mean, I know you have to expect that sort of crap on the internet, but damn, it was meant to be a fanboy-hating bitchfest.

 

[One Wolf]

when i was 14, i thought that homosexuality was revolting and i even had an illogical dislike of gays. throughout life i have encountered many, and have come to kno that gays, like ever catagory of humanity, contains its ups and its downs. some people just suck. some suck cock. truth is, there are great people in any given catagory, and its a tremendous loss to assume that simply because one is a member of said catagory that they have one or another characteristic. all that being gay means is that you like a member of the same sex. BIG FUCKING DEAL.

of course its natural to avoid things that make you uncomfortable, such as a massive public gay lovefest, but to avoid someone simply because they are gay is really counterproductive (assuming one wants to meet cool people).

 

[bryce777]

when i was 14, i thought that homosexuality was revolting and i even had an illogical dislike of gays. throughout life i have encountered many, and have come to kno that gays, like ever catagory of humanity, contains its ups and its downs. some people just suck. some suck cock. truth is, there are great people in any given catagory, and its a tremendous loss to assume that simply because one is a member of said catagory that they have one or another characteristic. all that being gay means is that you like a member of the same sex. BIG FUCKING DEAL.

of course its natural to avoid things that make you uncomfortable, such as a massive public gay lovefest, but to avoid someone simply because they are gay is really counterproductive (assuming one wants to meet cool people).

Except canadians and french, of course. Let's not go crazy!

 

[One Wolf]

i stand corrected.

 

[Vault Dweller]

BWAHAAHAHAAA!!! ....no...

I've got this stubborn streak about me where, no matter how much the fantasies of two chicks in bed gives me wood, the idea of screwing another woman besides my wife doesn't sit well with me. Yeah, yeah... go ahead... call bullshit on that one.

-D4

It's not beside your wife, it's with your wife. Two different things :wink:

 

[Balor]

Well, there are gays and pederasts .
Gays just don't like to have sexual relations with women and prefer men to them.
It's a sexual pathology, yet it does not make them any inferior to other humans unless they advertise their mental illness like it's some sort of a boon, something that makes them not only 'special', but 'better' then other humans, something to be bragged about and shown off...
Well, those are pederasts. And I'd be glad to be able to shoot them on sight. Not just because I fear them... it's because I despise them.
It’s like people with schizophrenia or paranoia would parade on the street, showing off how mentally ill they are and how cool it makes them.
I suspect that has something to do with them having nothing else to be proud about.

 

[One Wolf]

It's a sexual pathology, yet it does not make them any inferior to other humans unless they advertise their mental illness like it's some sort of a boon, something that makes them not only 'special', but 'better' then other humans, something to be bragged about and shown off...
Well, those are pederasts. And I'd be glad to be able to shoot them on sight. Not just because I fear them... it's because I despise them.
It’s like people with schizophrenia or paranoia would parade on the street, showing off how mentally ill they are and how cool it makes them.
I suspect that has something to do with them having nothing else to be proud about.

wow, if you really feel that way, you are the one that should be fucking shot. if someone talks about their "mental illness" (which is just a deranged discription for sexual preference to begin with) in any context, especially when NO ONE IS GETTING HURT then that is their right, regardless of what some self-righteous piece of shit like yourself thinks. you sound like a pamphlet from the third reich before they actually let assholes like you go around practicing what you preach. fuck you.

 

[Data4]

It's a sexual pathology, yet it does not make them any inferior to other humans unless they advertise their mental illness like it's some sort of a boon, something that makes them not only 'special', but 'better' then other humans, something to be bragged about and shown off...
Well, those are pederasts. And I'd be glad to be able to shoot them on sight. Not just because I fear them... it's because I despise them.
It’s like people with schizophrenia or paranoia would parade on the street, showing off how mentally ill they are and how cool it makes them.
I suspect that has something to do with them having nothing else to be proud about.

wow, if you really feel that way, you are the one that should be fucking shot. if someone talks about their "mental illness" (which is just a deranged discription for sexual preference to begin with) in any context, especially when NO ONE IS GETTING HURT then that is their right, regardless of what some self-righteous piece of shit like yourself thinks. you sound like a pamphlet from the third reich before they actually let assholes like you go around practicing what you preach. fuck you.

Fanboy!

-D4

 

[TheGreatGodPan]

I think Data4 was the only one who described to what extent he was disgusted.

If I wanted to meet cool people, why the fuck would I be here? I'm a giant nerd, it's really best if I don't encounter any people who are cool or anything largely considered to be cool.

One Wolf: I think when he's talking about pederasts he means those people who actually DO hurt people. Like NAMBLA.

 

[One Wolf]

ok, pederasts and pedophiliacs and members or NAMBLA are fucked up.

i just can't stand this "i know whats right and those that don't follow whatever norms i dictate should be removed in one way or another" mentality. words fail me when i attempt to describe my hatred of this brand of closemindedness. so take my opinions with a grain of salt if you must, but i fucking hate it. i fucking hate it.

and as for aquainting oneself with "cool" people, all i mean is that in this life all of us have encountered other humans that seem.....akin to ourselves. in my own life, my closest friends are of the utmost value to me, and have many times astonished me with their greatness. it takes some luck to even encounter people like these, so why strain the chances?

i think the codex is fairly loaded with interesting personalities. this is by far the most open forum i've frequented; where else can you post whatever the fuck you want and still recieve fairly amusing if not eloquent replies? nerd or no, this place is pretty damn great. even balor, who i obviously have taken issue with, is articulate and intelligent. sure, i may wish a violent and painful end for him, but it doesn't mean i don't respect him. time now for sleep before i lose whats left of my vocabulary. and my logic.

 

[Data4]

ok, pederasts and pedophiliacs and members or NAMBLA are fucked up.

You've got that right times 100.

i just can't stand this "i know whats right and those that don't follow whatever norms i dictate should be removed in one way or another" mentality. words fail me when i attempt to describe my hatred of this brand of closemindedness. so take my opinions with a grain of salt if you must, but i fucking hate it. i fucking hate it.

Whoa, whoa... Slow down there, cowboy. I didn't once say that what I say is right is right. One freedom that I enjoy is that of choice, and if I choose to not associate with gays (or rap music culture, for that matter), it's my own damn choice. I could give a rat's ass what you think of that, but until I start endorsing violence or malice against gays, you can "fucking hate it" all day long and it won't make a bit of difference to me.

You want to talk closemindedness? How about a mind closed to the idea that not everything in this world has to be liked by everyone? I get so sick of people of the more liberal persuasion talking about tolerance, when they're guilty of their own version of intolerance.

and as for aquainting oneself with "cool" people, all i mean is that in this life all of us have encountered other humans that seem.....akin to ourselves. in my own life, my closest friends are of the utmost value to me, and have many times astonished me with their greatness. it takes some luck to even encounter people like these, so why strain the chances?

I would agree, and that supports my opinion as well as yours. "Akin to ourselves" is a relative term. In the context of my argument, that means "straight".

i think the codex is fairly loaded with interesting personalities. this is by far the most open forum i've frequented; where else can you post whatever the fuck you want and still recieve fairly amusing if not eloquent replies? nerd or no, this place is pretty damn great. even balor, who i obviously have taken issue with, is articulate and intelligent. sure, i may wish a violent and painful end for him, but it doesn't mean i don't respect him. time now for sleep before i lose whats left of my vocabulary. and my logic.

What attracted me to this place is several things: First, the cynicism. I think that alone is the antithesis of hive-minds like the ESF (which I cite simply because it's the only other community I participate in at this time). Second, as you say, you can be free to say whatever the hell you want. But with that freedom comes the freedom to make a complete ass out of one's self and be lambasted for it. It's the greatest passive defense system an online community can have. Third, for the most part, there's no pretense. I'm a nerd. I'm a geek. Most people here are, too. Most people here don't give a flying fuck what other people think of that. That's pretty cool in and of itself.

So anyway, about fanboyism...

-D4

 

[One Wolf]

thanks for the response D4, but i was addressing the guy who decided death and judgement are his to mete out.

btw d4, i certainly didn't imply that everyone should "like" everything else, its just when people start talking about "they should be shot" that it my ire is aroused. and yes, its strange how intolerance runs in a loop: "gays should be shot!" "you should be shot for thinkin that!". definitely doesn't work out in any kind of solution, and just gets uglier.

 

[Revasser]

You want to talk closemindedness? How about a mind closed to the idea that not everything in this world has to be liked by everyone? I get so sick of people of the more liberal persuasion talking about tolerance, when they're guilty of their own version of intolerance.

Everyone is irrationally intolerant of some things, that's just part of being human. The majority of people I've met 'of the liberal persausion' have been intolerant of fewer things (and types of people) than those 'of the conservative persuasion', though, who seem to be (in extreme cases) intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into their particular, narrow world view. Also, the idea of tolerance is less about everyone liking everything, and more about "shut the fuck up and get over it, because its none of your damn business."

The thing about bigotry, though, is that the bigot often makes it everyone else's business by acting on their hate, or trying to get others to act on it, then acts surprised and hurt when other people get pissed off about it.

Data4, if you want to avoid gay people simply because they're gay, that's your choice. I'd say, on its own, it's a pretty stupid reason to avoid someone, but whatever. If you don't want to be around gays, I'm sure you're probably one of the last people most gays would want to be around either.

But there are guys who just don't want to be around gays, and there are guys that brag about how they'd beat the shit out of another guy if he made a pass at them. The latter are idiots.

Balor: If you mean that pederasty is a sexual pathology, then yeah, you're right. While I don't advocate taking them out back shooting them, they do need to be given 'help', whether they like it or not, because pederasts, if they act on their urges, do actually hurt people (and children, no less) and are generally pretty dangerous individuals.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Everyone is irrationally intolerant of some things, that's just part of being human. The majority of people I've met 'of the liberal persausion' have been intolerant of fewer things (and types of people) than those 'of the conservative persuasion', though, who seem to be (in extreme cases) intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into their particular, narrow world view. Also, the idea of tolerance is less about everyone liking everything, and more about "shut the fuck up and get over it, because its none of your damn business."

Liberals are only open minded when you agree with them, then they froth at the mouth when you don't. This is probably because they have the rationality of a tape worm.

Seeing two guys kissing is gross much the same way seeing two obese people kiss is. It's just nasty. Doesn't matter to me if they're gay, I just don't want to see them making out.

 

[Revasser]

Everyone is irrationally intolerant of some things, that's just part of being human. The majority of people I've met 'of the liberal persausion' have been intolerant of fewer things (and types of people) than those 'of the conservative persuasion', though, who seem to be (in extreme cases) intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into their particular, narrow world view. Also, the idea of tolerance is less about everyone liking everything, and more about "shut the fuck up and get over it, because its none of your damn business."

Liberals are only open minded when you agree with them, then they froth at the mouth when you don't. This is probably because they have the rationality of a tape worm.

Seeing two guys kissing is gross much the same way seeing two obese people kiss is. It's just nasty. Doesn't matter to me if they're gay, I just don't want to see them making out.

If that's what you think, you've been talking to the wrong liberals. You from the USA? If so, that explains it. Everyone froths at the mouth over there. Liberals probably seem (and sometimes are) more rabid because US politics is heavily skewed toward the religious right with no sign of change. And there are idiots on both sides. There are fuckwit conservatives just as there are fuckwit liberals, and the proportions are usually equal. But people tend to ignore the idiots in their own village.

Or your contact with liberals has been political debate, where everyone starts acting like dumbasses, regardless of their particular political bent.

If you don't want to see them make out, you're well within your rights to look at something else. I usually do that when anybody starts sucking face, regardless of the gender mix or mass of the participants. But as long as you're not going out and making an arse of yourself because you see something you don't like, you can think whatever stupid shit you like, as can we all. Diversity is a wonderful thing.

<i>Edit becoz i am teh grammerking.</i>

 

[One Wolf]

revasser, i agree with most points in your posts, very well said.

SP, i hear where you are comin from. i guess i'm a liberal (then again, i have devoted the last ten years studying martial arts, and particularly vicious styles basically designed around maiming/homicide) but i have only once foolishly resorted to violence over my views. i prefer a calm discussion, and some conservatives have justifiable ideas. i have encountered many "conversatives" (at least in the US) who yell shit like "we should just nuke the whole middle east and kill all those god damn sand-niggers!" and "you fucking protesters support terrorists!". yet at the opposite extreme the rabid liberals are more like "you are an asshole for supporting this pointless war!".

i am harassed fairly regularly by homosexuals, and although i find it someone disgusting, i am also sure that several women i have made passes at have felt exactly the same way (especially because i look like a tattoed musclebound maniac on parole) but i don't advocate violent retribution against the gays any more than the uninterested ladies advocated it against me. as long as they don't touch me (and as long as i don't touch the women), then there should be no problem. this is probably a good thing, since most of the strongest most chiseled guys at the gym are gay, and i would have to attack joints and pressure points, and that kinda shit rewards you with fairly lengthy prison sentences.

on a sidenote, this is pretty amusing. http://www.fuckthesouth.com

 

[Revasser]

i am harassed fairly regularly by homosexuals, and although i find it someone disgusting, i am also sure that several women i have made passes at have felt exactly the same way (especially because i look like a tattoed musclebound maniac on parole) but i don't advocate violent retribution against the gays any more than the uninterested ladies advocated it against me. as long as they don't touch me (and as long as i don't touch the women), then there should be no problem. this is probably a good thing, since most of the strongest most chiseled guys at the gym are gay, and i would have to attack joints and pressure points, and that kinda shit rewards you with fairly lengthy prison sentences.

Yeah, most people get hit on by people they'd rather not be getting hit on by. You just have to 'roll with the punches' as it were, most of the time. A simple "No thanks, not interested." will usually suffice.

I agree with you about the touching thing. When someone (male or female) starts touching me 'provocatively', after I've made it clear I'm not interested, I tend to get pretty pissed off. Though violence should always be a last resort (and even then, as minimal as possible.)

 

[One Wolf]

Though violence should always be a last resort (and even then, as minimal as possible.)

thats what my lawyer keeps tellin me... and i keep tellin her that its my anti-drug.... never had this problem while i was usin them....

 

[Revasser]

Though violence should always be a last resort (and even then, as minimal as possible.)

thats what my lawyer keeps tellin me... and i keep tellin her that its my anti-drug.... never had this problem while i was usin them....

Drugs are my anti-drug. Oh.. no, wait.

 

[TheGreatGodPan]

Booze is my anti-drug. I'd link to the Onion article, but its too old and I can't find it.

 

[MINIGUNWIELDER]

Everyone is irrationally intolerant of some things, that's just part of being human. The majority of people I've met 'of the liberal persausion' have been intolerant of fewer things (and types of people) than those 'of the conservative persuasion', though, who seem to be (in extreme cases) intolerant of everything that doesn't fit into their particular, narrow world view. Also, the idea of tolerance is less about everyone liking everything, and more about "shut the fuck up and get over it, because its none of your damn business."

Liberals are only open minded when you agree with them, then they froth at the mouth when you don't. This is probably because they have the rationality of a tape worm.

If that's what you think, you've been talking to the wrong liberals. You from the USA? If so, that explains it. Everyone froths at the mouth over there. Liberals probably seem (and sometimes are) more rabid because US politics is heavily skewed toward the religious right with no sign of change. And there are idiots on both sides. There are fuckwit conservatives just as there are fuckwit liberals, and the proportions are usually equal. But people tend to ignore the idiots in their own village.

Or your contact with liberals has been political debate, where everyone starts acting like dumbasses, regardless of their particular political bent.
<i>Edit becoz i am teh grammerking.</i>

i hate religious conservatives my favorite saint is the most liberal one
st francis of assisi best saint evAr!
he himself said animals had souls

 

[Balor]

Why everybody got so overreacted by my 'I'd shoot em up!' outburst?
That was more of a hyperbole then anything else. I don't even have a gun .
Someone should take forum posts a little less seriously next time, learn that there are such things as ‘sarcasm’, ‘hyperbole’, etc.
Anyway, the point is that I have no problems with gays, but have DO have problems with sodomites that project their lusts on unwilling victims, and show off their quirkiness as some sort of a boon, or unique talent, or something!
"Gay pride parades' are plain disgusting, for instance.
Like I mentioned, it's like schizophrenia pride parades or something! How can one be proud of an abnormality that, would it be the norm, will lead to the end of humanity?
I mean, if people with, like, IQ over 140 (or perhaps 130 - you can hardly make a parade out of people with IQ over 140, heh - there are too few of them even in large cities - lookup IQ distribution) or something will go on "High intelligence parade" they'll be scoffed "Uppity bastards!"... not to mention that they will not do this anyway, because they don't need stupid parades to be proud of their intellect.
When it comes to gays, we have rather different situation, don't you think?
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P.S.
The thread is about fanboys, but we are talking about gays for some reason...
Does it mean that fanboyism is gay? Logical :D.