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Claw

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

the_dagon said:
Let's be clear about that : I'm a Gothic fan.
In other words, you wanted another game like that, didn't get it, and confuse your justified disappointment with objective criticism.
VD on the other hand has always been critical of the Gothic games, didn't want more of the same, and offered a review of Gothic as RPG, not as TEH SEQUEL.
 

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

Claw said:
the_dagon said:
Let's be clear about that : I'm a Gothic fan.
In other words, you wanted another game like that, didn't get it, and confuse your justified disappointment with objective criticism.
VD on the other hand has always been critical of the Gothic games, didn't want more of the same, and offered a review of Gothic as RPG, not as TEH SEQUEL.

Bullseye Claw!
 

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

Claw said:
the_dagon said:
Let's be clear about that : I'm a Gothic fan.
In other words, you wanted another game like that, didn't get it, and confuse your justified disappointment with objective criticism.
VD on the other hand has always been critical of the Gothic games, didn't want more of the same, and offered a review of Gothic as RPG, not as TEH SEQUEL.
On the other hand, no Fallout game should ever be different from the first two games, because that would be a blasphemy to God himself. :roll:
Any sequel should stay true to the series.
 

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Lumpy, read what he wrote.

'Justified criticism' and the bit about VD not liking the first two but he liked the third.

Fail.
 
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Ladonna said:
Lumpy, read what he wrote.

'Justified criticism' and the bit about VD not liking the first two but he liked the third.

Fail.

Ladonna, read what he wrote.

He said "justified dissapointment" and "objective critism" .

Fail.
 

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

Lumpy said:
Claw said:
the_dagon said:
Let's be clear about that : I'm a Gothic fan.
In other words, you wanted another game like that, didn't get it, and confuse your justified disappointment with objective criticism.
VD on the other hand has always been critical of the Gothic games, didn't want more of the same, and offered a review of Gothic as RPG, not as TEH SEQUEL.
On the other hand, no Fallout game should ever be different from the first two games, because that would be a blasphemy to God himself. :roll:
Any sequel should stay true to the series.
First, I believe that G3 is staying true to the series. So far, nobody has managed to explain why G3 is not a "Gothic game" or what a Gothic game is.

Second, even though I would prefer Fallout 3 to stay true to the original vision and the series, I'll review Bethesda's Fallout 3 as an RPG and rate it as an RPG, not as a Fallout game.
 

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VD: So your actually going to buy Fallout 3? If not, how will you review it?

Please don't tell me you will give money to those morons with their minimods and other arsetastic ways of screwing up gaming. :cry:
 

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Ladonna said:
VD: So your actually going to buy Fallout 3? If not, how will you review it?
I'm a "journalist," for the lack of a better word. Reviewing games and commenting on games in development is what I do. Since I doubt that Bethesda will send me a press copy, and since I don't pirate game, I'll buy Fallout 3 and let you know what I think.
 

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Well, its that good that I grabbed a Pak ripper and got the music out of the game, burned it to CD and listen to some tracks in the car, etc.

Go hunt down the planescape torment sound-track the alternative theme for the smoldering corpse bar is one of my favorite pieces of relaxing music. I burnt a cd with just that track on it so i could just repeat it and unwind listening to it :P
 

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psycojester said:
Well, its that good that I grabbed a Pak ripper and got the music out of the game, burned it to CD and listen to some tracks in the car, etc.

Go hunt down the planescape torment sound-track the alternative theme for the smoldering corpse bar is one of my favorite pieces of relaxing music. I burnt a cd with just that track on it so i could just repeat it and unwind listening to it :P
I preffer to listen to Cirque Du Solei when I wind down but that works too :P
 

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

Vault Dweller said:
Second, even though I would prefer Fallout 3 to stay true to the original vision and the series, I'll review Bethesda's Fallout 3 as an RPG and rate it as an RPG, not as a Fallout game.
I really have my doubts about that.
If it is a "good" rpg, but very un-Falloutish, how could you resist?

"Shock! Horror! Good rpg is Fallout in name only!"
"Bethesda made a good rpg this time, but unfortunately they left out all the prostitutes, gay mutants, and shit companion AI. Deathclaws are just slightly altered Cliff Racer models. They shall die for this blasphemy!"
 

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Re: ...lack of objectivity

Shagnak said:
Vault Dweller said:
Second, even though I would prefer Fallout 3 to stay true to the original vision and the series, I'll review Bethesda's Fallout 3 as an RPG and rate it as an RPG, not as a Fallout game.
I really have my doubts about that.
If it is a "good" rpg, but very un-Falloutish, how could you resist?
Because I don't expect a Fallout-ish Fallout 3, but will be very open minded about a decent post-apoc game?
 

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If you don't review the Falloutishness as well as the RPG bits, then you're not doing a very thorough reviewing job.
Your fans will expect it of you.

Hell, it would look kinda bizarre if it wasn't remarked upon. A game claiming that it is the legacy of Fallout, that isn't at all Falloutish? Yegads!
 

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Shagnak said:
If you don't review the Falloutishness as well as the RPG bits, then you're not doing a very thorough reviewing job.
Well, the Codex is not a Fallout fansite, so I have no obligations to review it as a Fallout game. Based on what I already know about the game from talking to the developers, it's NOT a Fallout game. However, I've been told that the negative reaction to Oblivion has been noted, and attempts to improve gameplay will be made. So, if they do a good job, I'll review the game as a post-apocalyptic RPG in the spirit of objectivity.

Hell, it would look kinda bizarre if it wasn't remarked upon.
I'll throw in a mandatory "Is Fallout 3 a Fallout game?" paragraph, but that's about it. No reason to kick a dead horse.
 

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Well, okay.

But if anyone was to make (say) Wizardry 9 without the requisite furries, ninja faeries, and out-of-place technology, I'd kick 'em in the 'nads. The score would drop by 20%, I'm sure.
 

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Well, the Codex is not a Fallout fansite, so I have no obligations to review it as a Fallout game.
Except that it's meant to be a Fallout game. That's what that 1.4 million dollars was for. Why shouldn't it be judged as a Fallout game?
No reason to kick a dead horse.
Some horses are begging for it.
 

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baby arm said:
Except that it's meant to be a Fallout game. That's what that 1.4 million dollars was for. Why shouldn't it be judged as a Fallout game?
Because then it's already a shitty game and there is nothing left to judge.

No reason to kick a dead horse.
Some horses are begging for it.
Sad, but true.
 

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Shagnak said:
Well, okay.

But if anyone was to make (say) Wizardry 9 without the requisite furries, ninja faeries, and out-of-place technology, I'd kick 'em in the 'nads. The score would drop by 20%, I'm sure.

That said, is there /any/ chance for Wizardry 9? Next to Ultima, this is surely the best RPG series ever, and as old-school as you can get. Any chance at all?
 

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"Your fans will expect it of you."

WTF? His fans expect him to? Then his fuckin' fans are fuckin' retarded. He shoudl review the game as he sees fit. If you are writing reviews for some retarded fans then why waste time? Should VD be a yes man now, and write only what his fuckin' 'fans' think he should? That be more fuckin;' dumb than being a fnaboy for fuck sakes. Are you fuckin' retarded?
 

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That was a not-so-sly reference at the "VD fanboy" stuff that has been floating around these days. That is, I was being an anus.
I should have included more winkies and smiley thingy wotsits. Really, Volourn, I've got your back. Honest. Buddy o pal.

And no, I wouldn't really reduce Wiz 9 by that much. I'm just being a cock. Maybe.
 

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Er, I misphrased. I meant, is there any chance of Wizardry 9 being developed? And I /would/ cut the score if Wiz 9 felt unwizardrish, but that's just because I am a grumpy nostalgic. And I want my furry races. Oh yeah. I am sure my Samurai was making out with my Ninja.
 

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Nothing wrong with your original post Jasede.

As for Wizardry 9? Who knows; haven't read anything newsy about it.

Wiz 8 would be a hard act to follow. But if they decided to remove furries and Ninja Faeries I could still handle it. It wouldn't be quite the same, but as long as the rest was up to standard then i would be a very happy chappie. I admit it needs some pulp-fantasy weirdness, though.
One thing I'm less bendy about, it would still have to be a first person party-based game. Changing it to a single-character button-masher would be an obvious betrayal, and changing it to NWN or BG-style control wouldn't even be acceptable to me. I guess I'm a a grumpy nostalgic too.
 

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Here's some pics from the semi-recent PS2 Wizardry title, "Tale Of The Forsaken Land":

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wizardry_screen017.jpg
 

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Shagnak said:
Well, okay.

But if anyone was to make (say) Wizardry 9 without the requisite furries, ninja faeries, and out-of-place technology, I'd kick 'em in the 'nads. The score would drop by 20%, I'm sure.

I don't think we have to worry about Fallout 3 not having mutants, prostitutes, drugs, gory deaths, etc. It's more of the heart of the game that's likely to get trampled. At this point, I'm hoping for System Shock 2 with uber graphics in a post apoc setting. That would still be ripping the heart out of the franchise though.
 

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