Incline Path of Exile 2 - now available on Early Access

[ArchAngel]

"A million players is what we are prepared for in instance capacity"​

Jonathan said on stream with Ziz.

Yeah. They are nuts if they think this is enough. Their leagues could reach 500k total at start. Full POE2 EE will be like 2-3mil at the same time across all platforms easily if not more.

It will be a million on steam alone if not more.

Since it is 30E/$ to get it I doubt it. Also they can see sales on Steam and sales of packs on their site and probably sales on Xbox/PS5 and calculate how many players are coming to join.

I think you underestimate the amount of people that will play the game.

- In general ARPGs have huge audience to start with.
- Second this is a sequel to arguably best ARPG ever
- There are ton of POE people that played few leagues and stopped playing but they will play POE2.
- Some of POE leagues are now reaching 500k concurent across all platforms and that's with "old" game and mostly no new people.
- This is effectively AAA game now.
- Ton of new people are willing to play it.
- Almost every big streamer i see will be playing it on launch of EE
- Moreover i see ton of casual people out of nowhere talking about it.
- 30$ is a low price.

Just a reminder. When Diablo 3 launched at $65 it crossed 3.5 milion sales in first 24 hours, 6.5mil in first week and over 10mil in first month. And that was in 2012 back when gaming space had a lot less people in it.

My estimate of 2-3 milion actually is conservative across all platforms. My true estimate is closer to 4mil and absolute max around 6.

My Steam CC prediction will be around 900k-1.1mil as long as their servers won't burn to the ground (they will), otherwise ton of people will just quit EE and leave it for week or two or won't go back it until 1.0

Old numbers mean nothing as most are free players.

 

[tritosine2k]

- This is effectively AAA game now

It's dead Jim

 

[tritosine2k]

- Ascendency skills gain sockets (for support gems) with character level. Late 80s for "6-link

So cool XD

Streamlined XD

Hey there's some complexity to shave off

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm more excited for Titan Quest 2, but ymmv. I'll wait until this is free to play, I have enough other games to go through.

 

[ADL]

and now you'll have people rushing through the campaign knowing exactly what to do and build for while everyone else has a slower leaguestart and has a in-game economic disadvantage.

That sounds like someone has some issues and needs to check up with their psychiatrist.

It's single player game. You or anyone don't need to read it.
Only one who care about it are either retarded streamers who want to get that #1 kill or their even more retarded viewers.
Moreover it is an early access, not full release. Which makes it triple retarded.

It's like competition for the retard of the year award.

Even if it were a truly single player completely offline release (it isn't) I'd still say it's retarded to give your game's data files pre-launch to a dataminer under the guise of a review. There are plenty of outlets that will review your game without datamining and preparing complete walkthroughs to release day 1 minute zero while your customers are still stuck in a login queue. Why spoil the day one experience where you have a complex game full of thousands of items and hundreds of skills and no one knows what is best and what to do? Elden Ring for example, best time to play is day 1. No minmaxed characters, no character builds available, hunting down equipment scattered all over the world, invasions are wild and you encounter shit you've never seen before being used against you. Dataminers for a game like this are scum and I hope eternal hellfire awaits them.

Also it may be singleplayer but it's a single player game with a complex MMO-like economy where players who hit maps definitely have a in-game advantage. Shouldn't have to isolate myself in SSF because someone in their press relations department gave access to the wrong person.

What if that's the point? I've been saying for ages that GGG's financial model seems to depend heavily on making players envious of eachother. Having a bunch of streamers and traders wearing all the best gear and exploding everything by looking at makes the plebes feel inferior so they're more likely to play longer and invest in cosmetics so they can look cool without the chase uniques. Having everyone on equal footing trading with other plebes that have no cosmetics is not in their best interest.

If this were PoE1 I'd agree but most standard equipment in PoE2 look better than my paypig supporter pack MTX, even ones from recent packs in the past couple years. I would spend ungodly amounts on skin transfers if they were permanent unlocks.

 

[Perkel]

Why spoil the day one experience where you have a complex game full of thousands of items and hundreds of skills and no one knows what is best and what to do? Elden Ring for example, best time to play is day 1. No minmaxed characters, no character builds available, hunting down equipment scattered all over the world, invasions are wild and you encounter shit you've never seen before being used against you. Dataminers for a game like this are scum and I hope eternal hellfire awaits them.

That sounds like the issue with people who can't do anything by themselves and have to use guides. Like Kjaska. They either way won't be doing anything on their own.

Also it may be singleplayer but it's a single player game with a complex MMO-like economy where players who hit maps definitely have a in-game advantage. Shouldn't have to isolate myself in SSF because someone in their press relations department gave access to the wrong person.

Again what advantage ? There is basically no PvP, POE1 tried PVP and it didn't work, no one plays PVP. You're not getting #1 spot regardless of what you do because there will always be some nolife that even without guide he will go full autism on numbers and reach #1 before you. #2nd and rest don't matter.

 

[lukaszek]

when poe2 is out, can we get proper offline poe1?

 

[ArchAngel]

Why spoil the day one experience where you have a complex game full of thousands of items and hundreds of skills and no one knows what is best and what to do? Elden Ring for example, best time to play is day 1. No minmaxed characters, no character builds available, hunting down equipment scattered all over the world, invasions are wild and you encounter shit you've never seen before being used against you. Dataminers for a game like this are scum and I hope eternal hellfire awaits them.

That sounds like the issue with people who can't do anything by themselves and have to use guides. Like Kjaska. They either way won't be doing anything on their own.

Also it may be singleplayer but it's a single player game with a complex MMO-like economy where players who hit maps definitely have a in-game advantage. Shouldn't have to isolate myself in SSF because someone in their press relations department gave access to the wrong person.

Again what advantage ? There is basically no PvP, POE1 tried PVP and it didn't work, no one plays PVP. You're not getting #1 spot regardless of what you do because there will always be some nolife that even without guide he will go full autism on numbers and reach #1 before you. #2nd and rest don't matter.

You must think like a trader which is what these people are. Traders earn most ingame resources if they can get their hands on good gear early so to sell them for good money. Or get money to buy stuff that is cheap early but becomes expensive later. For that you need a good build from the start.
And Traders compete against each other in the marketplace. PoE1 and PoE2 are trading simulators, not aRPGs.

 

[ArchAngel]

when poe2 is out, can we get proper offline poe1?

Only offline you will get is once playerbase for PoE1 becomes so low they decide to shutdown the servers and PoE1 permanently

 

[ADL]

Again what advantage ?

Economic advantage. Which is one of Path of Exile's design pillars and why this thread is in a separate section of the forums as opposed to Grim Dawn and Titan Quest which don't have secure online economies.

The disparity in power between players who amass currency early at leaguestart and those who get into maps a couple hours/days later is significant. Not to mention RMT concerns.

 

[Perkel]

Again what advantage ?

Economic advantage. Which is one of Path of Exile's design pillars and why this thread is in a separate section of the forums as opposed to Grim Dawn and Titan Quest which don't have secure online economies.

The disparity in power between players who amass currency early at leaguestart and those who get into maps a couple hours/days later is significant. Not to mention RMT concerns.

Again where is the "win" scenario ?

The only people who could be mad at this are again only the people that compete for #1 spots on some boss kill game end whatever and you aren't going to compete with folks that play 24/7 no life.

Moreover none of what you said makes sense. With a guide or without economy will be secure as in POE1.

RMT is even more retarded argument. Someone wants to waste their money to win in unwinnable game ?

Those argument might have make a sense for PvP game but POE PvP practically doesn't exist.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Good thing GGG doesn't have a decade long history of rebalancing their game around how quickly and easily streamers handle the content on day 1 of it's release while completely ignoring the rest of their user base.

 

[Lacrymas]

Streamers are the worst group to balance a game around.

 

[Ghost Of Iron]

Yes, they are, but it's ultimately never going to change because streamers are the primary way games are advertised to their prospective audiences now, and therefore they will always be prioritized since their perception and experience with a game can and will determine the measure and breadth of its success. An unfortunate reality, but the one we live in nonetheless.

 

[tritosine2k]

Minion streamers used to be good, arc witch streamer guy used to be good. It's just GGG prefers midwits.

Noscitur ex socio, qui non cognoscitur ex se.

 

[made]

Ascendancies officially revealed. Commence theorycrafting!

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3592012

 

[Hobo Elf]

I don't particularly love any of the Witch ascendencies. None of them are really leaning into the Necromancer fantasy either. Blood Mage feels especially dull.

 

[Florian Gheorghe]

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because I don't have time to play both, I want to know what you guys think.
I didn't get the DLC yet because I think it's too expensive, I was thinking about buying the POE2 early access pack.
I know that the POE devs are better at this, and loved what they did with POE until a point. I hate because it's too complex, too many systems you have to understand just to have some fun.
Than again from what I have seen Vessel of Hatred DLC has a luck luster story and not too much to add to the game.
What do you guys think?


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[Perkel]

Jonathan absolutely nuking from orbit POE1 players here:

WHAAAT MORE THAN ONE BUTTON ? TOO HARD !

I don't particularly love any of the Witch ascendencies. None of them are really leaning into the Necromancer fantasy either. Blood Mage feels especially dull.

There is no necromancer ascendancy in EE. It will be added later. Same with lack of swords or sword skills.

 

[Caim]

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because I don't have time to play both, I want to know what you guys think.
I didn't get the DLC yet because I think it's too expensive, I was thinking about buying the POE2 early access pack.
I know that the POE devs are better at this, and loved what they did with POE until a point. I hate because it's too complex, too many systems you have to understand just to have some fun.
Than again from what I have seen Vessel of Hatred DLC has a luck luster story and not too much to add to the game.
What do you guys think?


Please review our community guidelines for details.

A quick glance shows that the base game + Vessel of Hatred bundle is 70 bucks, with Vessel of Hatred by itself is 40 bucks (and you still need the base game, meaning you've spent at least 90 bucks). From what I gather Vessel of Hatred appears to have some 10-ish hours of main story stuff, and 70 hours of stuff if you 100% it.

By contrast, PoE II will be free, and if you buy early access for 30 bucks you also get 30 bucks worth of currency you can use for upgrades to your account, which also covers PoE I.

Pretty easy choice.

 

[Florian Gheorghe]

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because I don't have time to play both, I want to know what you guys think.
I didn't get the DLC yet because I think it's too expensive, I was thinking about buying the POE2 early access pack.
I know that the POE devs are better at this, and loved what they did with POE until a point. I hate because it's too complex, too many systems you have to understand just to have some fun.
Than again from what I have seen Vessel of Hatred DLC has a luck luster story and not too much to add to the game.
What do you guys think?


Please review our community guidelines for details.

A quick glance shows that the base game + Vessel of Hatred bundle is 70 bucks, with Vessel of Hatred by itself is 40 bucks (and you still need the base game, meaning you've spent at least 90 bucks). From what I gather Vessel of Hatred appears to have some 10-ish hours of main story stuff, and 70 hours of stuff if you 100% it.

By contrast, PoE II will be free, and if you buy early access for 30 bucks you also get 30 bucks worth of currency you can use for upgrades to your account, which also covers PoE I.

Pretty easy choice.

of course I know that, I got POE2, but I wanted to see the feedback of D4 players. The feedback was great, a lot of pages stated the same thing, the flag is weird.

 

[deama]

Are there guilds in this? You guys gonna make a codex guild?

Again where is the "win" scenario ?

The only people who could be mad at this are again only the people that compete for #1 spots on some boss kill game end whatever and you aren't going to compete with folks that play 24/7 no life.

Moreover none of what you said makes sense. With a guide or without economy will be secure as in POE1.

RMT is even more retarded argument. Someone wants to waste their money to win in unwinnable game ?

Those argument might have make a sense for PvP game but POE PvP practically doesn't exist.

The win scenario is real life $$$.
Back during PoE 1 days (several years back for me) I browsed around and saw some underground trading going on, something like a few dollars for an exalt orb or so.
If PoE 2 gets more popular, that stuff would be in higher demand, and if you're in a position in the game to be wealthy, well you could then cashout and make decent $$$.

 

[ArchAngel]

I don't particularly love any of the Witch ascendencies. None of them are really leaning into the Necromancer fantasy either. Blood Mage feels especially dull.

There is no necromancer ascendancy in EE. It will be added later. Same with lack of swords or sword skills.

I do not think it will be added. When Jonathan talked with Ghazzy I think Ghazzy asked him about it and Jonathan didn't want to say directly and started talking about how PoE2 is different and such

 

[Reever]

I do not think it will be added. When Jonathan talked with Ghazzy I think Ghazzy asked him about it and Jonathan didn't want to say directly and started talking about how PoE2 is different and such

I think he said previously that he doesn't want to add a "necromancer" ascendancy since that would make it mandatory for every summoner build to use it.

 

[Lacrymas]

I do not think it will be added. When Jonathan talked with Ghazzy I think Ghazzy asked him about it and Jonathan didn't want to say directly and started talking about how PoE2 is different and such

I think he said previously that he doesn't want to add a "necromancer" ascendancy since that would make it mandatory for every summoner build to use it.

More general-use ascendancies would be better, yes. Having to play a necro to play a minion build is myopic.