Path of Exile is a MAJESTIC incline

[Aothan]

Inquisitor's Inevitable Judgement will break the game, fun as it sounds, I don't see how that could be feasibly introduced

 

[Zdzisiu]

Inquisitor's Inevitable Judgement will break the game, fun as it sounds, I don't see how that could be feasibly introduced

Why? It is not as powerfull as one may assume. It does not let you get enemies res to under 0. It just removes resistance as a factor in damage calculations. So auras and resistance penetrations will not work. So you wont be able to get mobs to -75% resistance.

Also, it will be deadly on reflect mobs, as is any high crit damage.

But I admit, it seems strong and there is a lot of talk about what to do with it and if GGG will change it before the expansion is released.

 

[Aothan]

So you wont be able to get mobs to -75% resistance.

an unresisted elemental critical as a normal effect (i.e. without specific customisation,that is above and beyond focus on increases to critical multipliers, although there are some obvious extensions) is what makes it so powerful, saying that specialised designs can produce negative resistances is altogether different to the function and extent of this ability. If the innate potential of this feature can be seen to be strong, and that it is already being discussed whether the same will be changed then it also apparently something which is operating beyond the assumed balance design of negative resistance methods.

I'm looking forward to the revised iteration of this skill, as it seems unlikely this design is going to be implemented in time for a new league, and to be a little cynical it may well be a form of sensationalising the new class features

 

[Blaine]

People still seem to love PoE. I was in the closed beta for this game, and played it pretty extensively for a while.

Every once in a while (now, for example), I think about trying PoE again. Then, I remember what drove me away (I think I'd hoped it would improve before realizing it wouldn't): this fucking "vendor recipe" system. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Vendor_recipes

Good Christ. Surely you have to be autistic to remember all this shit. This is an aRPG; I just want to shoot shit, pick up loot, and sell it to a vendor for a pile of cash, not have my laptop open running Excel as I play in order to decide what items to pick up, which ones to save, how to arrange them into "vendor recipes," etc.

Someone please give me a sanity check here and tell me whether or not I can, for example, ignore almost all loot and just pick up a few valuables, and still be all right. It's clearly still overcomplicated bullshit, but if it's unnecessary overcomplicated bullshit I'll give the game another go.

 

[made]

I imagine casuals aren't even aware of most of the recipes and still seem to play the game just fine. There are loot filters now so you can highlight only the valuable stuff and ignore the rest.

 

[Zdzisiu]

People still seem to love PoE. I was in the closed beta for this game, and played it pretty extensively for a while.

Every once in a while (now, for example), I think about trying PoE again. Then, I remember what drove me away (I think I'd hoped it would improve before realizing it wouldn't): this fucking "vendor recipe" system. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Vendor_recipes

Good Christ. Surely you have to be autistic to remember all this shit. This is an aRPG; I just want to shoot shit, pick up loot, and sell it to a vendor for a pile of cash, not have my laptop open running Excel as I play in order to decide what items to pick up, which ones to save, how to arrange them into "vendor recipes," etc.

Someone please give me a sanity check here and tell me whether or not I can, for example, ignore almost all loot and just pick up a few valuables, and still be all right. It's clearly still overcomplicated bullshit, but if it's unnecessary overcomplicated bullshit I'll give the game another go.

You very much can just pick up stuff that is good for your character and not give a shit about all the other rare items (And you never give a shit about magic items, the blue ones, maybe only at the very start).

The recipies are there as an utility for when you need them. Personally I only use the chaos vendor recipie that is easy as fuck, just get a full set of gear and sell it together to the vendor and boom 1 chaos orb or 2 orbs if all the gear is unidentified.

You dont have to even do that if you dont need the additional currency that is usefull mostly for trading for better gear, which is not necessary either as plenty of people play self-found.

Hell, I have like 2.5k hours in PoE and I dont know half of the recipies because I never needed them.

Also, As made said, there are loot filters there now that will highlight stuff that can be used in recipie so you just pick up those and are all good. Ziggyd's filter here http://ziggyd.tv/featured/ziggyds-loot-filter/ was created with that in mind.

 

[Blaine]

Yeah, I noticed that the loot filter is so advanced that you can configure it with a custom text file.

That's a new one on me, probably a first in the genre.

Anyway, the build guides, including those aimed at new players, are nearly incomprehensible to me and packed full of obscure jargon and abbreviations, so I'll just dive back in. I don't remember any of this crap anymore.

 

[Zdzisiu]

Yeah, I noticed that the loot filter is so advanced that you can configure it with a custom text file.

That's a new one on me, probably a first in the genre.

Anyway, the build guides, including those aimed at new players, are nearly incomprehensible to me and packed full of obscure jargon and abbreviations, so I'll just dive back in. I don't remember any of this crap anymore.

Btw, if you are interested in a fresh start in a new economy where everybody is on the same level and trading is more reasonable then there is a new challenge league starting on 11 Dec with some new stuff added too.

 

[T. Reich]

People still seem to love PoE. I was in the closed beta for this game, and played it pretty extensively for a while.

Every once in a while (now, for example), I think about trying PoE again. Then, I remember what drove me away (I think I'd hoped it would improve before realizing it wouldn't): this fucking "vendor recipe" system. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Vendor_recipes

Good Christ. Surely you have to be autistic to remember all this shit. This is an aRPG; I just want to shoot shit, pick up loot, and sell it to a vendor for a pile of cash, not have my laptop open running Excel as I play in order to decide what items to pick up, which ones to save, how to arrange them into "vendor recipes," etc.

Someone please give me a sanity check here and tell me whether or not I can, for example, ignore almost all loot and just pick up a few valuables, and still be all right. It's clearly still overcomplicated bullshit, but if it's unnecessary overcomplicated bullshit I'll give the game another go.

Lol, why so spergy? Vendor recipes can be completely ignored if you wish so. They are mostly relevant during early leveling stage anyway (during racing etc), plus a couple of late-game ones that give a little extra wealth to those who bother.

 

[Hoaxmetal]

PoE is as autistic as you want it to be. Most of the theory-crafting, number-crunching and grognard-spergism can be easily ignored if you aren't interested in having best race times or top end-game map performance etc. It's nice to have a choice, though.

 

[Saark]

Vendor recipes really aren't important at all for the most part. Just remember to pick up any items that have 3 differently coloured linked sockets, which nets you 1 chromatic orb, and everything that has 6 sockets - for jeweler orbs. You can safely ignore the rest of the vendor recipes, and these two will become second nature after less than an hour of playing anyway.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Saark]

Theres really no "complicated" vendor recipes unless you want to sort through items for something like alchemy shards. If you have enough space in your stash the chaos/regal orb recipe is going to be what gets you enough currency for mid-tier mapping, which is what most itemfilters try to highlight. It is somewhat advanced because most people won't have the stash space to keep items for chaos/regal recipes, but there really is no reason to ignore 6socket items or chromatic items (at least 3 links, all 3 colours linked).

 

[Radech]

chromatic items(at least smaller than 4 squares) and six socketed items are no-brainers as they are usually more valuable than an equivalent rare.

I use a stash tab for both the chaos and the regal recipee, as the component fill the height of a tab(boots, gloves, helmets, chests, 3 square weapons) and fill the rows so that i have a 2 wide row remaining for rings, ammys and belts - with loot filters most will have an indicator of which items are appropriate for this(yellow outline for chaos blue for regal, in ziggys filter), I always indentify since I dare not sell unidentified jewelry.

This is usually only relevant when mapping, to get a little extra value from them.

Only started doing the regal/chaos recipees after loot filter, before it was too much of a hassle.

I also stash quality flasks(that I bother to pick up during levelling) and gems in a tab and empty it out when it gets full for gcp's and glassblowers.

I also very occasionally pick up a gavel for the chisel recipee, It's a bit too large(6 squares) to bother with most of the time, but extra chisels are always nice(at least when high level maps were rarer - dunno about the latest rebalance).

Damn those prestige classes look nice, I'm gonna agonize forever about which one to pick up and then instantly regret it

 

[Blaine]

I use a stash tab for both the chaos and the regal recipee, as the component fill the height of a tab(boots, gloves, helmets, chests, 3 square weapons) and fill the rows so that i have a 2 wide row remaining for rings, ammys and belts - with loot filters most will have an indicator of which items are appropriate for this(yellow outline for chaos blue for regal, in ziggys filter), I always indentify since I dare not sell unidentified jewelry.

Yeah, that's why I have 12 stash tabs from back in the closed beta days, and it was one of the things that annoyed me: collecting sets of shit to turn in for various orbs. This was well before any kind of configurable loot filter.

In any event, I've played every Diablo clone of note including Diablo and Diablo II (and expansions) when they were released, Nox, Titan Quest, Grim Dawn of course, Torchlight and Torchlight 2, even the original Sacred. By far, I find PoE's loot, inventory, and itemization system the most obnoxious by a wide margin. Clearly, all I can really do is load up one of those loot filters and learn to live with it until I get to the meat of the game.

I've deleted all of my old Standard/HC characters and started over in that league thingamabob. I actually do need to pick up some white shit for extra Scrolls of Wisdom, unless I want to constantly run out of them. Problem is, the inventory fills up in moments even just picking up a few daggers and hats, and then the only way back to town is to hoof it (backtracking, complete boring waste of time) or expend a Portal Scroll... which is worth three Scrolls of Wisdom, defeating the entire point, until you already have a nice stockpile.

That is obnoxious, and less fun starting out than I remember from literally any other Diablo clone I've ever played. I gather it improves in later levels and as you gain experience playing the game. I have noticed though that the game is easy as piss with found items and jewels just starting out, so again, I'll just load up a filter.

If even the filtered stuff still fills up my inventory such that I have to walk back to town frequently (or quickly run out of Portal Scrolls, then walk back to town), I'm probably going to drop the game again.

 

[Gregz]

My biggest problem with PoE is the rapidly diminishing returns as you level.

Once you are in the 90s you might as well reroll because you'll need to spend a month to get a level or a gear upgrade.

People who love hardcore, leagues, or just rerolling in general have no problem with this, but I like to invest in a character and see it grow and subsequently I get attached to that character. I'd probably be happier playing something like WoW used to be, but I don't see anything like that around these days.

 

[Radech]

I've deleted all of my old Standard/HC characters and started over in that league thingamabob. I actually do need to pick up some white shit for extra Scrolls of Wisdom, unless I want to constantly run out of them. Problem is, the inventory fills up in moments even just picking up a few daggers and hats, and then the only way back to town is to hoof it (backtracking, complete boring waste of time) or expend a Portal Scroll... which is worth three Scrolls of Wisdom, defeating the entire point, until you already have a nice stockpile.

Oh one more recipee, armor scraps sell for four ident scrolls, don't ever pick up white shit, and if it's an issue just leave stuff that has no potential to be upgrades, you'll just have fewer alts to reroll flasks/jewels, no biggie

My biggest problem with PoE is the rapidly diminishing returns as you level.

Once you are in the 90s you might as well reroll because you'll need to spend a month to get a level or a gear upgrade.

People who love hardcore, leagues, or just rerolling in general have no problem with this, but I like to invest in a character and see it grow and subsequently I get attached to that character. I'd probably be happier playing something like WoW used to be, but I don't see anything like that around these days.

Yup that's when I usually bench my chars(mid eighties more likely), build's finished haven't got time to farm maps all day, and I've usually gotten bored with the playstyle. I used to think my m8s who were constantly rerolling while I was advancing through BWL back in vanilla, were ADD retards, but imo POE is better for this style of play - off course there's a small subset of players exploiting the fuck out of legacy items to craft perfection on standard(which is what the league is for anyway), but the grind involved(insane trade inflation), and the constant skill tree changes makes that undesirable imo.

Though I have most hours on my first shitty duelist, the hours I've spend trying to grind myself out of a broken build, fucking sunk-cost fallacy...

 

[made]

Blue unID items sell for 2 trans shards, one trans orb is worth 7 ID scrolls IIRC. It's the fastest way to get some extra scrolls at the start of a league. Though many of the game's mechanics seem tedious and anachronistic, they do add some complexity and depth.

 

[RhodokMasterRaceOfficial]

Is chaos inoculation good? It sounds hilarious and I want to do a char with it.

 

[Saark]

Works for a couple of builds, but you need the gear for it to make the sudden loss of life as a defensive mechanism worthwhile (something around 5-6k energyshield should be okay). Most iconic one right now would probably a build revolving around this unique:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Whispering_Ice

Since it emphasizes stacking intelligence on gear for dps, CI works great with it since intelligence directly boosts your energy shield and since you can easily get more than 1k+ intelligence the energy shield gained through it is quite significant. A lot of other builds work aswell, but usually require a high ES shield and chest to start with. For most builds just going hybrid (life and ES combined) or full bloodmagic is more efficient.

 

[T. Reich]

Is chaos inoculation good? It sounds hilarious and I want to do a char with it.

It used to be the best endgame thing as long as you had the wealth to gear for it, but then GGG went and nerfed pretty much every game mechanic that gave CI advantage over life builds and/or buffed their interaction with life builds + nerfed ES + buffed life + never removed the old disadvantages of CI that you had to deal with when choosing it over life.

Basically, now CI is a strictly inferior choice to life for pretty much any build. Don't use CI, really, save yourself from salt.

 

[RhodokMasterRaceOfficial]

It used to be the best endgame thing as long as you had the wealth to gear for it, but then GGG went and nerfed pretty much every game mechanic that gave CI advantage over life builds and/or buffed their interaction with life builds + nerfed ES + buffed life + never removed the old disadvantages of CI that you had to deal with when choosing it over life.

Basically, now CI is a strictly inferior choice to life for pretty much any build. Don't use CI, really, save yourself from salt.

Nerfing builds that require a bunch of in-game do$h to gear for in order to run effectively is a balance decision that never makes sense to me.

 

[Gregz]

Any reason to (re)start playing before the talisman league starts?

 

[T. Reich]

Any reason to (re)start playing before the talisman league starts?

Not really. Currently there's a "throw it in" Darkshrine league running, but it's on its last legs. I'd rather wait for 2 weeks and get a whole new rebalance + tons of new content + new temp leagues.

Nerfing builds that require a bunch of in-game do$h to gear for in order to run effectively is a balance decision that never makes sense to me.

Not exactly. CI before all those nerfs was hard to run effectively on a budget, but if you had the required budget, it was actually the best choice. Same as low-life and mjolner discharge builds, really - all these builds don't have "poor man's" versions, and they are all also strictly endgame builds in a sense that you usually had to be at least lvl80+ to even have enough passives to pull them off, along with all the pricey gear.

CI in itself was more of a collateral damage victim here actually. Between open beta and 1.3.0 you could pull off a CI build on a moderate budget, and it was a viable alternative to life-based builds due to certain perks and despite the harsh limitations. And it certainly wasn't strictly better than life if you didn't have the resources for the uber-builds.

 

[Zdzisiu]

Any reason to (re)start playing before the talisman league starts?

Not really. Currently there's a "throw it in" Darkshrine league running, but it's on its last legs. I'd rather wait for 2 weeks and get a whole new rebalance + tons of new content + new temp leagues.

Nerfing builds that require a bunch of in-game do$h to gear for in order to run effectively is a balance decision that never makes sense to me.

Not exactly. CI before all those nerfs was hard to run effectively on a budget, but if you had the required budget, it was actually the best choice. Same as low-life and mjolner discharge builds, really - all these builds don't have "poor man's" versions, and they are all also strictly endgame builds in a sense that you usually had to be at least lvl80+ to even have enough passives to pull them off, along with all the pricey gear.

CI in itself was more of a collateral damage victim here actually. Between open beta and 1.3.0 you could pull off a CI build on a moderate budget, and it was a viable alternative to life-based builds due to certain perks and despite the harsh limitations. And it certainly wasn't strictly better than life if you didn't have the resources for the uber-builds.

Yeah, I remember being able to make 10k+ Energy Shield CI Incinerate Witch some time ago, before the Energy Shield rebalance and right when Vaal Discipline was introduced too!

But yeah, I would not go CI this days, not if you dont know exactly what you are doing and can afford it.

Maybe there will be some interesting changes in the tree with talisman introduction.