Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Desiderius]

It was shuriken on halfling so ... yeah, 20 movespeed + 20 range was too much to bare for a shitty cute thematic char

Retreat is min/lvl first lvl spell and Haste doubles speed. Equipment, etc... lot of ways to deal with speed. Short range keeps you closer to the action, which can have various benefits. I like 30 ft range on Jav to keep point blank on.

 

[polo]

Sup with the op duelist swords they keep giving me? I just killed vordakai and at this point of the game i got a shitton of (what seems op) duelist swords but the best falcata i have is decapitator, and im praying i can import the dlc one cause i might be fucked.

They're solid but not OP. Have you got your artisans up?

Should be getting an Adamantine +3 Falc somewhere along there, but if you completed the DLC you can buy Claw after Vordokai.

I meant early/mid game.

 

[Desiderius]

Sup with the op duelist swords they keep giving me? I just killed vordakai and at this point of the game i got a shitton of (what seems op) duelist swords but the best falcata i have is decapitator, and im praying i can import the dlc one cause i might be fucked.

They're solid but not OP. Have you got your artisans up?

Should be getting an Adamantine +3 Falc somewhere along there, but if you completed the DLC you can buy Claw after Vordokai.

I meant early/mid game.

Buy Keen +1 at Depths or use best available non-Falc until you get Claw.

 

[Haplo]

Sup with the op duelist swords they keep giving me? I just killed vordakai and at this point of the game i got a shitton of (what seems op) duelist swords but the best falcata i have is decapitator, and im praying i can import the dlc one cause i might be fucked.

They're solid but not OP. Have you got your artisans up?

Should be getting an Adamantine +3 Falc somewhere along there, but if you completed the DLC you can buy Claw after Vordokai.

I meant early/mid game.

Adamatine flaming blazing is early/mid game - if you're lucky with artisan. Otherwise there is a +2 Furious in the Womb in Act 3 maybe?

 

[Desiderius]

Sup with the op duelist swords they keep giving me? I just killed vordakai and at this point of the game i got a shitton of (what seems op) duelist swords but the best falcata i have is decapitator, and im praying i can import the dlc one cause i might be fucked.

They're solid but not OP. Have you got your artisans up?

Should be getting an Adamantine +3 Falc somewhere along there, but if you completed the DLC you can buy Claw after Vordokai.

I meant early/mid game.

Adamatine flaming blazing is early/mid game - if you're lucky with artisan. Otherwise there is a +2 Furious in the Womb in Act 3 maybe?

That's Decapitator.

 

[Edmund Spenser]

Just bought this and eager to give it a go. In terms of classes, I'm looking for a frontline fighter who's durable but still able to deal respectable damage, or a Sorcerer.

Any suggestions? I've been told that Sword Saints are incredible but I'm wary of the micromanaging. I've basically narrowed it down to Sword Saint/Paladin/2h Fighter/Sorcerer. Any solid, synergistic builds would be welcome.

Also, what is the best all-purpose Bloodline if I went Sorcerer?

 

[Haplo]

Of the listed classes, only Sword Saints and melee sorcerors are decent tank material. With a huge advantage for SS in martial presence.

If you don't want to micromanage much, a Vivi Tripper could be up your alley:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-113#post-6080746
Although he can't main tank from the early game (so would need support from Val for example), but by mid-game he should main-tank just fine.

 

[Yosharian]

. I've basically narrowed it down to Sword Saint/Paladin/2h Fighter/Sorcerer.

Sword Saint + Paladin + Monk + Rogue ftw

 

[Efe]

wheres your vivi dip yoshi?

 

[Desiderius]

Of the listed classes, only Sword Saints and melee sorcerors are decent tank material. With a huge advantage for SS in martial presence.

If you don't want to micromanage much, a Vivi Tripper could be up your alley:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-113#post-6080746
Although he can't main tank from the early game (so would need support from Val for example), but by mid-game he should main-tank just fine.

Straight up Fighter is solid for a first playthrough. The game doesn’t need to be conventionally tanked if everyone is doing reasonable damage and you’re keeping foes under control. Just need to make sure melees aren’t pincushions and Fighters can do that thanks to armor training letting them get DEX bonus and Heavy Armor.

Sylvan Sorc is lowest maintenance since pets are good early and help alleviate encumbrance, which can be an issue for new players.

 

[Haplo]

2 Handed Fighter doesn't get Armor Training...

 

[Daidre]

2 Handed Fighter doesn't get Armor Training...

2 Handed Fighter's version of Weapon Training also does not not give access to new Advanced Weapon Training feats and that is just sad(

 

[Desiderius]

2 Handed Fighter doesn't get Armor Training...

That’s why I said Fighter. 2H Fighter is bad now that Fighters get extra feats.

 

[Haplo]

2 Handed Fighter doesn't get Armor Training...

That’s why I said Fighter. 2H Fighter is bad now that Fighters get extra feats.

Well, Edmund mentioned the 2h archetype.

 

[Edmund Spenser]

Seems counter-intuitive that a normal Fighter with a greatsword may be better than a 2h Fighter. I guess the 2h Fighter trades defensive bonuses for offensive?

 

[Desiderius]

Seems counter-intuitive that a normal Fighter with a greatsword may be better than a 2h Fighter. I guess the 2h Fighter trades defensive bonuses for offensive?

In base game. Now it’s a blowout because Fighter gets several bonus feats on top of that, including +5 Will which is almost mandatory.

 

[Edmund Spenser]

I've always enjoyed playing straight Fighters, so that sounds great!

On another note though, I've read that Persuasion checks are essential throughout the game on the MC-- will a low CHA and no Class Skill bonus be a massive detriment, or will 1 skill point in Persuasion a level be enough for most purposes?

 

[Desiderius]

I've always enjoyed playing straight Fighters, so that sounds great!

On another note though, I've read that Persuasion checks are essential throughout the game on the MC-- will a low CHA and no Class Skill bonus be a massive detriment, or will 1 skill point in Persuasion a level be enough for most purposes?

There are a few MC only checks, but not all that important first time through. There’s a way to hog the big Persuasion EXP for yourself but easier to just let a companion specialize and share it.

Everyone is 19 for me at beginning of end game and I just shared it.

 

[Yosharian]

wheres your vivi dip yoshi?

Fuck that, the mutagen doesn't last long enough and that last level of SS gives a really nice damage boost

 

[polo]

Whats the most op build you guys came up with? What mechanichs did you abuse of? Dazzling display, and those kind of aoe disabling skills?

 

[Haplo]

There were kinda 2 in my case. One more suited for real-time gameplay, the other excelling in turn based (although can be adjusted easily to work well in real-time also):

Vivi Tripper:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-113#post-6080746

Bastard Sword Saint:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-114#post-6121550

 

[polo]

There were kinda 2 in my case. One more suited for real-time gameplay, the other excelling in turn based (although can be adjusted easily to work well in real-time also):

Vivi Tripper:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-113#post-6080746

Bastard Sword Saint:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-114#post-6121550

Oh yeah i think i saw the video of your biter when i was starting the game and didnt understand shit tbh. Its pretty sick now that i see it again.

 

[Desiderius]

There were kinda 2 in my case. One more suited for real-time gameplay, the other excelling in turn based (although can be adjusted easily to work well in real-time also):

Vivi Tripper:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-113#post-6080746

Bastard Sword Saint:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...nd-strats-thread.124160/page-114#post-6121550

Oh yeah i think i saw the video of your biter when i was starting the game and didnt understand shit tbh. Its pretty sick now that i see it again.

The approach he’s using there can be applied to any melee toon to increase their effectiveness. Currently have Tristian as main tank/DPS using those principles.

Dazzling Display is too slow. Use Lingering Dirge and Dreadful Carnage to get things Shaking. Archon’s Aura and Debilitating Strike are other all-purpose debuffs.

 

[polo]

Yeah as i was playing and learning about the game i had the recurring sensation that you could make tanks without armor in kingmaker, they give you a shitton of AC equipment and spells.

 

[Daidre]

Yeah as i was playing and learning about the game i had the recurring sensation that you could make tanks without armor in kingmaker, they give you a shitton of AC equipment and spells.

Pathfinder just upholds glorious legacy of 3.5 where best tanks always were some DEX based pansies in silken bathrobes.