Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Serus]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Doubly so because items DO work like that in pnp Pathfinder, you can qualify to say a DEX or STR requiring feat by wearing belt of +DEX or +STR. Spells on the other hand don't allow it, it needs to be a permanent effect AFAIK. It would be strange if Owlcat moved away from how things work in pnp in a patch. Not impossible, mind you but I'd like to see a quote. Is it in the 1.1 beta patch notes somewhere?

 

[ArchAngel]

Reach weapons are best for 2handed builds or can they work with standard 2feet 2handers?

Glaive and Fauchard are both really good.
Standard 2h builds are good with a bite attack (from Rage powers or a Feral Mutagen) and the Winter Wolf cloak that causes knockdown on a hit with a bite, and there are some terrific Greataxes, good Greatswords, and an artisan Masterpiece Earth Breaker.

I tried to take bite with Amiri, and use that cloak, she didn't get a CMB roll to try to trip enemies so I assumed it is all broken (also the cloak that added cold damage to bite attacks did nothing).

That's a shame. Her bite attack triggered, though?

I watched the combat log. She did a bite attack, and it hit. Enemy was not killed by that bite. After that the trip didn't happen.

 

[ArchAngel]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Doubly so because items DO work like that in pnp Pathfinder, you can qualify to say a DEX or STR requiring feat by wearing belt of +DEX or +STR. Spells on the other hand don't allow it, it needs to be a permanent effect AFAIK. It would be strange if Owlcat moved away from how things work in pnp in a patch. Not impossible, mind you but I'd like to see a quote. Is it in the 1.1 beta patch notes somewhere?

OK, but in PnP when you lose the Dex bonus you also lose access to the feat. This game does not have that so they went for next best thing, not allowing you to take feats in the first place.

 

[Serus]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Doubly so because items DO work like that in pnp Pathfinder, you can qualify to say a DEX or STR requiring feat by wearing belt of +DEX or +STR. Spells on the other hand don't allow it, it needs to be a permanent effect AFAIK. It would be strange if Owlcat moved away from how things work in pnp in a patch. Not impossible, mind you but I'd like to see a quote. Is it in the 1.1 beta patch notes somewhere?

OK, but in PnP when you lose the Dex bonus you also lose access to the feat. This game does not have that so they went for next best thing, not allowing you to take feats in the first place.

Makes sense though it could be argued that a better idea would be to make "deactivation" of feats that no longer meet the prerequisites work properly if it din't already. However all that is a topic for another discussion. The question I have is: "where?" Where and when did Owlcat change it? I can't find it in 1.1 beta patch notes. Did I miss it in one of the earlier hotfixes?

 

[razvedchiki]

Give me your uber meta builds for hard!

 

[Elex]

Give me your uber meta builds for hard!

vivisectionist. dex based, don’t dump str too low.

 

[TT1]

This sounds like lots of fun

 

[Efe]

looks terrible honestly, heightening a lv3 spell to lv7-8-9 slots, is that for real?
also i liked the part where he thought his dog summon would buy him some time and it went down in 1 hit under 3 seconds.

 

[Yosharian]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Woah. This is a big change. Do you have an official source on this?

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Woah. This is a big change. Do you have an official source on this?

maybe I'm losing my mind. I thought I saw it in their beta patch notes, but I can't find it again.

 

[Yosharian]

Dual wielding strength based build, you can select dex dual wielding feats by wearing a dex belt (so 11-12 dex is enough I think, though you made need more depending on when spells/items boosting dex are available).

This is a bug. After the new patch, items and spells won’t help you qualify for feats anymore.

Woah. This is a big change. Do you have an official source on this?

maybe I'm losing my mind. I thought I saw it in their beta patch notes, but I can't find it again.

Hmm.

 

[Haplo]

and the third one has necrotic damage.
Upd as for how to fit it in, depends on your class and suppose. if you re of a weapon enchanting type, you can always forego an improved crit feat and enchant your weapon as keen.

Okay, I've built her workshop, about to start her quests. Should I tell her something specific to increase the chance of getting a Fauchard (instead of a Kama for example)?

I think I will skip Preserve Organs -> Mummification to get Fauchard proficiency + earlier access to some other feats (and also will skip the second Fighter level down the line). Cold, Paralysis and Sleep immunities & partial Crit resistance would be kinda cool, but eh... there are element resist spells and Freedom of Movement. Think most sleep effects are HD limited? Though there might be one higher version.

Btw. Crane Wing/Riposte seems to no longer work if you don't have a free hand.

 

[Yosharian]

You're spending a feat to get +1 damage. Not worth it!

 

[Haplo]

+1 damage? If I can get the Artisan to deliver her Fauchards, I'll have a +3 +1d6 Acid 15-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen) weapon instead of +2 +1d6 Fire 19-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen). Alternatively +3 +2d8 Negative (with Animate Dead as a bonus).

But for my Trip build, her mastery Fauchard is the real Holy Grail - if I can get her to make it. +5, +5 CMB (!), regular hits along with successful combat maneuvers (!) plus permanent FoM (partially compensates loss of Mummification) and Trip + Bullrush immunity.

Sure, the unique holy ultrasonic Glaive is also very nice. But nowhere near as nice for a combat maneuver build.

 

[Yosharian]

+1 damage? If I can get the Artisan to deliver her Fauchards, I'll have a +3 +1d6 Acid 15-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen) weapon instead of +2 +1d6 Fire 19-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen). Alternatively +3 +2d8 Negative (with Animate Dead as a bonus).

But for my Trip build, her mastery Fauchard is the real Holy Grail - if I can get her to make it. +5, +5 CMB (!), regular hits along with successful combat maneuvers (!) plus permanent FoM (partially compensates loss of Mummification) and Trip + Bullrush immunity.

Sure, the unique Glaive is also nice. But nowhere near as nice for a combat maneuver build.

I mean it's only +1 average damage compared to an equivalent weapon that you don't need to spend a feat on.

 

[Haplo]

It's not about the base damage dice (actually Glaive has the same d10). It's about the crit profile (18-20/x2 base) and unique properties (such as +1 crit multiplier and others listed above, particularly the masterwork properties for a combat maneuver build).

 

[Yosharian]

It's not about the base damage dice (actually Glaive has the same d10). It's about the crit profile (18-20/x2 base) and unique properties (such as +1 crit multiplier and others listed above, particularly the masterwork properties for a combat maneuver build).

Alright, I'll give you that.

 

[Gregz]

+1 damage? If I can get the Artisan to deliver her Fauchards, I'll have a +3 +1d6 Acid 15-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen) weapon instead of +2 +1d6 Fire 19-20 x3 (with Improved Crit or Keen). Alternatively +3 +2d8 Negative (with Animate Dead as a bonus).

But for my Trip build, her mastery Fauchard is the real Holy Grail - if I can get her to make it. +5, +5 CMB (!), regular hits along with successful combat maneuvers (!) plus permanent FoM (partially compensates loss of Mummification) and Trip + Bullrush immunity.

Sure, the unique Glaive is also very nice. But nowhere near as nice for a combat maneuver build.

Not bad, can you automate trip attack? I.e. how much micro does this require?

 

[Cael]

Give me your uber meta builds for hard!

First, you will need this:

 

[Lawntoilet]

So, how does this build look for a Str Magus in the beta? Not sure if I should bother with Exotic Weapon Prof for Bloodhound, or use Bear God Scimitar or the Masterpiece Longsword (even though it won't crit as much).

L1. Combat Casting, Dodge (Human Bonus)

L3. Power Attack

L5. Improved Unarmed Strike, Crane Style (Bonus)

L7. Outflank

L9. Crane Wing

L11. Crane Riposte, Combat Reflexes

L13. Spell Penetration

L15. Blindfight (now that it protects from Gazes it's much more useful, maybe invaluable for endgame)

L17. Greater Spell Pen, Exotic Weapon Prof: Dueling Sword for Bloodhound?

I know I could get Crane Style easier with a Monk level, but I sort of want to push through for armor proficiencies and spell progression even though I'll end up a little bit feat-starved.

 

[Haplo]

Make sure that Crane Wing and Crane Riposte actually still work with Spell Combat (which should count as dual-wielding). They seem to be fixed to no longer work with sword & board.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Give me your uber meta builds for hard!

1 level of vivisectionist
- get mutagen
- get lvl1 spells for true strike
- get 2d6 sneak dice if you take accomplished sneak attacker

2 levels of EA magus
- spell combat and spell strike->add your sneak dice 2x per round and gain +1 attack
- get more true strike slots

Rest ranger bow style
- smilodon
- access to hurrican bow, sense vitals, aspect of falcon

You can do this with Ekun too to great effect.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Make sure that Crane Wing and Crane Riposte actually still work with Spell Combat (which should count as dual-wielding). They seem to be fixed to no longer work with sword & board.

Crane Wing works with Spell Combat, I just checked. Presumably Crane Riposte should too, then.

VentilatorOfDoom if this is a "meh"gus what would you recommend changing?

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

VentilatorOfDoom if this is a "meh"gus what would you recommend changing?

Well, I just don't understand the appeal of melee magus tbh, but having seen the magus spell list I think it's garbage above spell lvl4, so I'd rather take 1 monk level instead of investing 2 feats. Also, all melee that don't reach a high enough AC are just too much trouble micromanaging imo.

 

[Wolfe]

I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Pathfinder, any tips for building a paladin wielding two-handers?