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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

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(first posted on the Wrath of the Righteous thread by mistake, but I meant to post in the Kingmaker thread)

CBA reading the whole thread but I've never played this game and it's on sale on Steam for peanuts.

I like all classic IE games and played them on release. My favourite is BG1 because high-level AD&D is very boring.

I tend to dislike munchkinism and I'm not particularly attracted to buildporn. I try to find a build that works but I don't lose any sleep over any of it. Having variety is nice for subsequent playthroughs.

I'm also not a storyfag, as long as there's a functional premise I'm in. I like exploring (yes, I consider painting the map exploring) and limiting my IE plays with things like no resting in dungeons, etc.

I can't stand SJW garbage and it's very likely I'll stop playing if there's anything in my face to that end in any game. Since this has a Pathfinder licence, is it completely infected?

Would I like this?
 

Butter

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From what I've experienced, Kingmaker is not terribly infected with SJW shit. You will want to disable all the kingdom management garbage though, and get the orc companion killed as quickly as possible.
 

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Codex 2012 MCA Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
Great Deceiver The game is far less epic than Wrath of the Righteous, but still ends on a pretty epic note. That being said, it's long as hell, so you could get a great gaming experience even if you only screw around in Chapters 1 and 2 which basically end in the low to medium level range. The game's still pretty build-porn oriented, but significantly less so than Wrath and far less bloated in terms of classes and abilities.

I think there's a good chance that you'd like at least part of it and even if you start to dislike it later, probably would've had enough time with it to justify the purchase. Munchkinism isn't too bad, just don't go to unfair difficulty and maybe even stay away from hard. Challenging or below should be fair game though.
 

Yosharian

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Yes deny yourself one of the best generals in the game because of your insecurities.
 

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First 4 chapters is the ultimate BG1 experience for me, especially the first 2. Magi dead in one volley of range attacks, rogues melt things with backstabs, summons swarm and eat the enemies, random encounters in wilderness ends with game over screen and etc. Fights with monsters that a few levels higher than you are brutal and can end very fast.
Game also got some really neat CYOA sections short but kinda effective.

Amiri seems like "muh strong weman, I can do what men can do and better" at first but her plotline changes later on with nice twists. TBH most of them party member story lines are solid in their own way. My least favorite was the ex paladin warrior chick (cant even remember her name :lol: )

There are some kickstarter contents and those are uber cringe, you'll understand when you see them.
 
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Great Deceiver if you love IE, especially BG, you will really enjoy this game. In many ways, it can objectively be considered better.

Do yourself a favor and play a warrior class. Fighters, Slayers, and Hospitaler paladins work really well. A melee bard is also a good choice for the games challenges. If you don't sweat missing things, you're in luck. PF:KM is huge and there will be a lot to miss depending on how you manage your kingdom and expand it.

There is leftist crap, but it can largely be glossed over. If you tell Octavia to shut up early, much of it goes away.
 
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Kingmaker should fit what you want. The SJW stuff isn't too obnoxious, significantly less than a modern Bioware RPG.

Story-wise most of the time your objective is just "explore this region of the map, find something and kill it", so its a appropriate for non-storyfags.

Main problem gameplay-wise is that the difficulty curve is whack and the only difficult parts of the game are roughly around levels 1-5 and 19-20. You don't need to munchkin on the fair or mostly fair difficulties so its mostly a question of whether you care about having like 20 hours of steamrolling enemies. There's also next to no fights with important, powerful enemy spell casters, all of the hard fights are just super buffed fighters, so that's a step back from BG1/2.
 

Desiderius

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Kingmaker should fit what you want. The SJW stuff isn't too obnoxious, significantly less than a modern Bioware RPG.

Story-wise most of the time your objective is just "explore this region of the map, find something and kill it", so its a appropriate for non-storyfags.

Main problem gameplay-wise is that the difficulty curve is whack and the only difficult parts of the game are roughly around levels 1-5 and 19-20. You don't need to munchkin on the fair or mostly fair difficulties so its mostly a question of whether you care about having like 20 hours of steamrolling enemies. There's also next to no fights with important, powerful enemy spell casters, all of the hard fights are just super buffed fighters, so that's a step back from BG1/2.
There’s a couple optional caster fights that take some work to unlock but are plenty tough if you do. Defaced Sisters are no pushovers either.
 
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I advise you to turn on maximum auto-saves, and never reoload except in cases of MC death. The game gets less engaging if you can take back mistakes and retry bad rolls.
 

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razvedchiki

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on the back of a T34.
only cheat menu allows some manipulation of quests but it cant restart already completed quests.
want to make ekun a carpenter as i always do, instead in current playthrough he became the stolen lands batman.
 

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