Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Litmanen]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

Because I don't find the buildporning.... porn.

I understand that for some this can be (a big) part of it, but it's not a part of the fun for me.
I love to overcome challanges, I love to make choices and then pay (or be rewarded by) them. I love to explore.

Mostly, I think that my "problem" is that I love to play making mistakes. Not because I love to be wrong, but I love to do things how I feel them at the moments.

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

And then to play with a /very probably) shitty character, for me it's the big part of the fun. Because I have to overcome challanges with what I have/I am. And if I repeat a fight 10 times, when I win it it wholesome.

 

[Cael]

Hi guys, so, I'm doing my first (and surely last, I never replay a game, sorry) playthrough.

I have just advanced to the third level and thinking to bi-class Jaethal because with my Leopard (I'm an Inquisitor), Amiri and Valerie, I feel she isn't THAT necessary in the front line. But, with her abilities she is not that "necessary" also in the back line.

Now, it would be easy to go on the web and look for builds, but it's something I don't like to do. I don't want to make her perfect. I want to make her my way.

And so, now we come to the true problem: I have never understood bi-classing. Never done that in my life and I play RPGs, D&D and Pathfinder since 23 years, more or less.

How does it work? I mean: beside being a sociopath and know the rules by heart so that you can precisely know when and how to byclass a character - and I'm not - how could I help myself in this situation?

I was thinking to make her a Sorcerer or a Wizard (since I don't have true badass damage dealing magic in my group). Or maybe a Magus or a Kineticist or Alchemist just because I like their names. Better BEFORE or AFTER she leveled the third level? (I think it's better after 'cause now she is picking the solo tactics feat that is honestly amazing)

She starts at Level 1. You either choose to go along with Inquisitor Levels and just have a duplicate or you can Multi-class her since level 2. As Desi said she is still a pretty strong character in general as a full Inquisitor, but if you are not looking to replay the game and want to bring her AND don't want to overlap with your MC then just do it at Level 2. She has decent WIS, STR. If you are going to multi for Martial you can probably postpone it until Level 5 to get Bane? Not sure if its worth it. Your Divine Favor will also be +2 at Level 4 which for important fight will negate the 3/4 BAB when you go for 5 Level in Inquisitor.

Considering she has 16 WIS and the basegame doesn't have Druid companion and she has Neutral alignment, you can probably go for Druid just for novelty. Missing one level sucks a lot as a Druid though but it's not unplayable. Your Animal Companion will be 1 level lower unless you burn a Feat for it. Or alternatively you can go for Domain although I am pretty sure taking animal companion is still better

Take Animal Domain. You get an animal companion at level-3, which, when you mix in the Bonded Companion feat, makes it an even = your level. On top of that, you get the full Domain spells and extra spell slots.

 

[Grunker]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

 

[Litmanen]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

Skunk have their charme...

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

After barbarian the rest are superfluous anyway.

 

[Desiderius]

That is neither king nor god.

 

[Grunker]

this is the kingmaker thread buddy

 

[Desiderius]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

Skunk have their charme...

Casters are pretty weak early game in any event.

I guess if you have Jae from the beginning you didn't take Val? Give your Leopard Mage Armor pots and let it grab aggro and you won't need AoE. Taking her Defender of the True World with a Smilo pet at lvl 3 is probably the most painless thing you can do. Inq has some nice features in the first two levels and pet is still solid.

 

[Litmanen]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

Skunk have their charme...

Casters are pretty weak early game in any event.

I guess if you have Jae from the beginning you didn't take Val? Give your Leopard Mage Armor pots and let it grab aggro and you won't need AoE. Taking her Defender of the True World with a Smilo pet at lvl 3 is probably the most painless thing you can do. Inq has some nice features in the first two levels and pet is still solid.

I have both Jaethal and Valerie. Valerie from the prologue and Jaethal because I've stolen her from Tartuccio in the Ancient Tomb

 

[Dishonoredbr]

this is the kingmaker thread buddy

Opps

 

[Desiderius]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

Skunk have their charme...

Casters are pretty weak early game in any event.

I guess if you have Jae from the beginning you didn't take Val? Give your Leopard Mage Armor pots and let it grab aggro and you won't need AoE. Taking her Defender of the True World with a Smilo pet at lvl 3 is probably the most painless thing you can do. Inq has some nice features in the first two levels and pet is still solid.

I have both Jaethal and Valerie. Valerie from the prologue and Jaethal because I've stolen her from Tartuccio in the Ancient Tomb

Heh, Harrim might have been the better compliment to your main.

give Val 3 Mobility and have he fight Defensively by your Leopard and they should draw aggro. Amiri and Jaethal Inq should be able to kill stuff then if Linzi keeps her song up. Bards sing and act (cast) at the same time.

 

[Litmanen]

Respec mod 4 life. 90% of the appeal of these games is build porn, why limit yourself to buildporning one character

So, in the case of Jaethal, probably I will make her a Wizard or a Druid and I will not optimize whatever, not "on purpose" but because it was the best I can do in that moment.

It's not best to make Jaethal a Wizard or a Druid in the moment no matter what the moment is.

But who gives a fuck about "best." I mostly do whack, weird builds I cooked up myself or with the help of the esteemed gentlemen on these forums. I'm not saying you should optimize (personally I find broken builds very boring), but when you ask whether Jaethal with prior levels in Inquisitor would be best multiclassed into Wizard or Druid you're asking whether to strike your teeth with a hammer or make love to a skunk. None of the options seem particularly appealing even if they won't kill you or anything. At that point, why not just do whatever the fuck you feel like doing?

Skunk have their charme...

Casters are pretty weak early game in any event.

I guess if you have Jae from the beginning you didn't take Val? Give your Leopard Mage Armor pots and let it grab aggro and you won't need AoE. Taking her Defender of the True World with a Smilo pet at lvl 3 is probably the most painless thing you can do. Inq has some nice features in the first two levels and pet is still solid.

I have both Jaethal and Valerie. Valerie from the prologue and Jaethal because I've stolen her from Tartuccio in the Ancient Tomb

Heh, Harrim might have been the better compliment to your main.

give Val 3 Mobility and have he fight Defensively by your Leopard and they should draw aggro. Amiri and Jaethal Inq should be able to kill stuff then if Linzi keeps her song up. Bards sing and act (cast) at the same time.

Yeah, I know Harrim would have been a better fit, but he is annoying.

 

[Litmanen]

Guys, for sure I'm dumb and I don't see something really evident but...

Can you tell me why Valerie doesn't add the Mage Armor bonus to her AC?

As you can see, I have it casted on her but it doesn't appears in the AC count (and has causes her to take strength damage).

 

[rashiakas]

Armor Bonus dont stack

 

[Litmanen]

Armor Bonus dont stack

In this case, which one is preventic Mage Armor to be "active"? The ring of protection or the defensive combat bonus?

 

[Haplo]

Armor Bonus dont stack

In this case, which one is preventic Mage Armor to be "active"? The ring of protection or the defensive combat bonus?

The Banded Mail.

 

[Litmanen]

Armor Bonus dont stack

In this case, which one is preventic Mage Armor to be "active"? The ring of protection or the defensive combat bonus?

The Banded Mail.

ouch... thank you!


Another silly question: I had Amiri dead, with -16 (she has 16 CON), and so I casted "raise dead", but she actually come back completely normal, I couldn't see those two levels she would have lost, normally. What's wrong?

 

[Average Manatee]

To be clear, its not that the bonus comes from your armor, but that the armor adds a +7 armor bonus while the mage armor adds a +4 armor bonus. This won't stack because both are armor type. There is armor that will add other types of bonuses, e.g. a deflection bonus or a dodge bonus. Those would stack with mage armor (and dodge bonuses always stack, its the one exception).

 

[Litmanen]

To be clear, its not that the bonus comes from your armor, but that the armor adds a +7 armor bonus while the mage armor adds a +4 armor bonus. This won't stack because both are armor type. There is armor that will add other types of bonuses, e.g. a deflection bonus or a dodge bonus. Those would stack with mage armor (and dodge bonuses always stack, its the one exception).

Thank you a lot!

 

[Grunker]

Armor Bonus dont stack

In this case, which one is preventic Mage Armor to be "active"? The ring of protection or the defensive combat bonus?

The Banded Mail.

ouch... thank you!


Another silly question: I had Amiri dead, with -16 (she has 16 CON), and so I casted "raise dead", but she actually come back completely normal, I couldn't see those two levels she would have lost, normally. What's wrong?

It’s a bug - Raise Dead doesn’t give negative levels. So you’re free to ress willy nilly in the stolen lands

 

[Haplo]

To be clear, its not that the bonus comes from your armor, but that the armor adds a +7 armor bonus while the mage armor adds a +4 armor bonus. This won't stack because both are armor type. There is armor that will add other types of bonuses, e.g. a deflection bonus or a dodge bonus. Those would stack with mage armor (and dodge bonuses always stack, its the one exception).

These aren't really armors, but robes/clothing, though. Monk robes, most likely.

 

[rashiakas]

There is one reason to buff mage armor on an armor wearing character: It wards against incorporeal touch attacks, so you would get +4 AC against those. Not sure if this is implemented in the game, though.

 

[Litmanen]

Armor Bonus dont stack

In this case, which one is preventic Mage Armor to be "active"? The ring of protection or the defensive combat bonus?

The Banded Mail.

ouch... thank you!


Another silly question: I had Amiri dead, with -16 (she has 16 CON), and so I casted "raise dead", but she actually come back completely normal, I couldn't see those two levels she would have lost, normally. What's wrong?

It’s a bug - Raise Dead doesn’t give negative levels. So you’re free to ress willy nilly in the stolen lands

That was what I thought but it is such an important mechanic I couldn't believe it was still bugged.

 

[Desiderius]

It need not be an important mechanic.

You have better uses for that gold.

 

[Litmanen]

It need not be an important mechanic.

You have better uses for that gold.

What do you mean?