Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

Again, if you want a pure caster Theurge, take the trouble to use the same main stat via Feyspeaker/Empyreal Sorc.

Sorcerers are bad picks for MT due to new spell levels being gained at even levels. And MT will let you be 15/15 or 13/17 . With sorcerer you will lose out on one whole spell level. Of your other class will lose on it

Sorcs let you spontaneously cast whole spell books with MT. Keeping one main stat is far more important than half a level.

Wait, a Cleric/Sorc theurge's divine spells turn spontaneous?

Is this Kingmaker's Ranger/Cleric.

Pathfinder gave Mystic Theurge actual class features. It's still not a good class, but it has something unique instead of just being a gimped caster.

Just a gimped caster. Right.

 

[Delterius]

go sylvan for rp and ignore the h8ers

also keep us appraised of how it goes

 

[deuxhero]

Sylvan or Feyspeaker have better spell progression than Mysthic Theurge.

 

[Efe]

i dont understand the appeal of theurge. 6 slots is plenty to cover all needs

 

[Damned Registrations]

That's enough to apply like, one buff to your party, if it has no animal companions. Admittedly a bunch of that shit becomes obsolete eventually but by then you've got new buffs to keep up.

 

[Delterius]

goddammit now I kinda want to go mystic theurge but as ecclesi angel sorc instead

 

[Delterius]

goddammit now I kinda want to go mystic theurge but as ecclesi angel sorc instead

Useless, since MT won't level up your channel energies. That's the key to a proper Mystic Theurge: choose classes that have as few "level up per CLASS LEVEL" skills and abilities as possible. Hence my choices.

but its double holy holiness

 

[Delterius]

goddammit now I kinda want to go mystic theurge but as ecclesi angel sorc instead

Useless, since MT won't level up your channel energies. That's the key to a proper Mystic Theurge: choose classes that have as few "level up per CLASS LEVEL" skills and abilities as possible. Hence my choices.

but its double holy holiness

That's why I'm so tempted by Sylvan Sorcerer/Feyspeaker/Mystic Theurge: it encompasses the totality of options when it comes to "what if my character was connected to the Fey". Also, why is Sylvan Sorcerer considered OP?

Just having a pet like that is like having an extra party member and it turns out you picked the borken mega trippin smilodon which is the borkenest of them all.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I thought Smilodon doesn't trip, but has 5 attacks/round to make up for it? Anyways, it's a huge boon early game, just throw all the buffs at it and it'll blender things for you. Bonus points if you take an alchemist to give it Shield as well.

Anyways, another point in favour of the sylvan combo is it's cha based, so you can crank out diplo checks for your main character more easily.

 

[Cryomancer]

Guys, i an thinking on re play the game. There are any mod that makes the spells have the same range of pnp? For my party and for enemies?

 

[Desiderius]

I thought Smilodon doesn't trip, but has 5 attacks/round to make up for it? Anyways, it's a huge boon early game, just throw all the buffs at it and it'll blender things for you. Bonus points if you take an alchemist to give it Shield as well.

Anyways, another point in favour of the sylvan combo is it's cha based, so you can crank out diplo checks for your main character more easily.

The most important buff from Alchemist is Echolocation. Don't forget Mage Armor also works.

Rock solid choice. If you're interested in Wildshaping you can go double Smilodon with the Armag relic armor. Prereq for Natural Spell is 13 WIS and Wolf Wildshape (Feyspeaker six).

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

Out of curiosity I went to its steam page to see how it is doing and... there are still retards whining and writing negative reviews after getting killed by a spider swarm, a year after release.
Putting that one spider cave near the start of the game must have cost them like 10% in ratings. :D

 

[Desiderius]

I thought Smilodon doesn't trip, but has 5 attacks/round to make up for it? Anyways, it's a huge boon early game, just throw all the buffs at it and it'll blender things for you. Bonus points if you take an alchemist to give it Shield as well.

Anyways, another point in favour of the sylvan combo is it's cha based, so you can crank out diplo checks for your main character more easily.

Probably played Mad Dog who gives trip to all pets at level five I think. Haven't played it yet.

 

[Cryomancer]

Out of curiosity I went to its steam page to see how it is doing and... there are still retards whining and writing negative reviews after getting killed by a spider swarm, a year after release.

Yes, and people complaining about perma blinding despite it being able to be adjusted on options(remove on resting)

 

[Desiderius]

Out of curiosity I went to its steam page to see how it is doing and... there are still retards whining and writing negative reviews after getting killed by a spider swarm, a year after release.
Putting that one spider cave near the start of the game must have cost them like 10% in ratings. :D

Guess there's no such thing as bad publicity.

The problem was that it was the first quest you get and that default experience sharing is borked* so you stay too long at a low level. My guess is that was intentional to hearken back to Pool of Radiance/original D&D where making it to level 2 was an accomplishment. Way over the heads of the likes of game journos, et. al., let alone Steam little kids.

* - https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/7/1630790506920383184/

 

[Desiderius]

Out of curiosity I went to its steam page to see how it is doing and... there are still retards whining and writing negative reviews after getting killed by a spider swarm, a year after release.

Yes, and people complaining about perma blinding despite it being able to be adjusted on options(remove on resting)

That's been nerfed to Cause Fear now. Bokken quest has been nerfed to allow completion without killing swarms. Still have Spider ability damage without tools to prevent it yet. You get restoration pots, but of course new players aren't familiar with those mechanics yet.

 

[deuxhero]

One more question: what happens if, due to having an absurdly high main caster stat, you gain additional spells above your current maximum level. For example, if you can cast 5th level spells, and gain an additional 6th level spell slot, do you suddenly gain the ability to cast 6th level spells?

You don't get bonus slots of levels you can't cast, even to prepare lower level spells in. Also don't need remotely absurd stats for this: A 14 gives a bonus second level spell

 

[Desiderius]

goddammit now I kinda want to go mystic theurge but as ecclesi angel sorc instead

Useless, since MT won't level up your channel energies. That's the key to a proper Mystic Theurge: choose classes that have as few "level up per CLASS LEVEL" skills and abilities as possible. Hence my choices.

but its double holy holiness

Here you go:

Greater Spell Focus Evocation makes sure both Archon's Aura and Sirocco hit home. Touch of Law doesn't care what Cleric level you are. Sensei 2/Inq 2 for WIS to Initiative, AC, and AB looking good if you can spare a Cleric and MT level (last spell-sharing level is MT9). This guy already has Shatter Defenses and Fauchard.

 

[deuxhero]

Or you could be casting 9th level spells and have room to quicken useful lower level ones...

 

[Damned Registrations]

Don't forget Mage Armor also works.

Mage armor isn't personal range though, oddly enough.

 

[Desiderius]

Or you could be casting 9th level spells and have room to quicken useful lower level ones...

I could also play story mode.

Enjoy your two casts per rest.

 

[Cryomancer]

Enjoy your two casts per rest.

I have 6 casts / rest as a sorcerer at lv 20 and with CHA bonus from item, 7

 

[Desiderius]

Enjoy your two casts per rest.

I have 6 casts / rest as a sorcerer at lv 20 and with CHA bonus from item, 7

By those levels you’ve got plenty of lower level spells to keep you busy in any case. The mid game levels are where you really feel the difference. You get to powerful stuff faster but run out of it too quickly.

MT has what it needs by the time it needs it. You’ve got Archon’s in time for Season and the anti-evil for Vordokai.

Later on it’s nice having Restorations and Breath of Life on tap spontaneously in case they’re needed. Where it’s really nice is having the Evil Outsider/Death Ward/Resist Energy/Delay Poison stuff if you need it but never having to memorize it, so you can fill up your Cleric slots with Hastes and what not or just lots of nukes/Chains/whatever.

 

[purpleblob]

I can't be bothered to read last few pages, so I'm just going to ask:

1. Is MT viable as a main character?
2. If so, using what base classes? Ecclesitheurge/Empyreal sorcerer?

 

[deuxhero]

Later on it’s nice having Restorations and Breath of Life on tap spontaneously in case they’re needed. Where it’s really nice is having the Evil Outsider/Death Ward/Resist Energy/Delay Poison stuff if you need it but never having to memorize it, so you can fill up your Cleric slots with Hastes and what not or just lots of nukes/Chains/whatever.

Restoration and Breath of Life are two spells that aren't hindered by being cast from a scroll. In-fact, Restoration scrolls don't seem to have the diamond dust included in their cost. You don't have to prepare them, just buy a few scrolls. Since you quickly run out of things other than scrolls and BP to spend money on until the Pitax tournament, this isn't much of an cost.