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Desiderius

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Good building helps rank Community fast which unlocks everything else ahead of schedule with help from taking loan.

Purpose of buildings is getting the snowball rolling ASAP.
 

DannyRope

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I stand corrected, it seems other Alignment combinations do offer equally valuable stuff. Still, the Stocks (Evil) and Bulletin Board (Lawful) buildings are too good at giving you more favorable percentages at solving Problems, and in latter Chapters the Problems get harder and harder to solve so each bonus counts.
I also concede that you have another point regarding snowballing, and in that case I'd add that True Neutral have a unique building that increases Divine which is a stat that is hard to increase at first otherwise. Being able to unlock Arcane early is obviously pretty great too.
 

Desiderius

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I stand corrected, it seems other Alignment combinations do offer equally valuable stuff. Still, the Stocks (Evil) and Bulletin Board (Lawful) buildings are too good at giving you more favorable percentages at solving Problems, and in latter Chapters the Problems get harder and harder to solve so each bonus counts.
I also concede that you have another point regarding snowballing, and in that case I'd add that True Neutral have a unique building that increases Divine which is a stat that is hard to increase at first otherwise. Being able to unlock Arcane early is obviously pretty great too.
They shouldn’t be getting harder and harder.

KM better.

I used to rush Divine -> Arcane for teleporters but getting Community to III IIRC gets an extra region (and Advisor) unlocked before end of Ch2 which ends up being huge. It’s also less BP.
 
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Lios

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Kingdom buildings aside, I really enjoyed rolepalying all my Lawful characters, be it LG ("Yes I am a paragon of virtue but we have a kingdom to run here, Jhod whip those naked perverts away from our borders), LN (The Law is above all, shut up octavia, go on Bartolomew skin that troll alive), LE (I am above all since I am the Law, Kersten we have no time to waste chop these rioters down they're annoying). It's not like you're forced to choose a specific alignment dialogue option (for the majority of times) and they handled the alignment choices pretty well writing-wise, I believe.
 

Cael

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Have you heard the good word? Due to Accomplished Sneak Attacker cheese, AT doesn't need to wait to git gud. It is only slightly behind a pure wizard power curve, but has greater damage that it can output more consistently. It has basically all the same CC. If you do a Scroll Savant, you're DC casting with all the scrolls littered everywhere. A pure scroll savant could do the same, but it's not getting the damage boost from SA which make up for the lack of caster level scaling. All of this while giving you a skill monkey at practically no extra cost. My MC hit Level 6 at the gates of The Staglord Fort. Arcane Trickster is the beezneez. I'll make converts of you all yet.
Not really. Pre lvl 10 AT you only get SA on touch spells, which are shit, while the negatives of worse spell progression are magnified by missing out on spells like haste
Reason 4609745978 why you should never take this guy's advice. He literally know jackSHIT about the rules of any game he comments on.

Which is absolutely hilarious as SA was the original skill where everyone went "OP!!!!" in the way it was implemented.
 

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I stand corrected, it seems other Alignment combinations do offer equally valuable stuff. Still, the Stocks (Evil) and Bulletin Board (Lawful) buildings are too good at giving you more favorable percentages at solving Problems, and in latter Chapters the Problems get harder and harder to solve so each bonus counts.
I also concede that you have another point regarding snowballing, and in that case I'd add that True Neutral have a unique building that increases Divine which is a stat that is hard to increase at first otherwise. Being able to unlock Arcane early is obviously pretty great too.
Good gets Hospital or something like that that helps Counsellor rolls, IIRC.
 

Desiderius

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Which is absolutely hilarious as SA was the original skill where everyone went "OP!!!!" in the way it was implemented.
Yes, they were wrong.

Some play the game and improve based on what we learn, others cling to the suck.
 
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There's no reason to care about anything other than the Bulletin Board for boosting your rolls. It gives +2 while the others only give +1 (or if they give +2 its to a limited subset, can't remember). The price for bulletin boards does go up the more you have in a settlement but its still worth the price for the land efficiency.
 

Desiderius

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Bulletin Boards are nice, but you can live without them. The two things you cannot live without are 1) Teleporters 2) Aviaries. Everything else is just a means to an end to get your ranks up.
There is no just.

Getting ranks up ASAP is the literal name of the game.
 

Desiderius

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Bulletin Boards are nice, but you can live without them. The two things you cannot live without are 1) Teleporters 2) Aviaries. Everything else is just a means to an end to get your ranks up.
There is no just.

Getting ranks up ASAP is the literal name of the game.
How do you rank up Divine while still doing the curse research projects?
Plenty of time for that after Arcane is unlocked. Last playthrough had 237 spare days.
 

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