Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[fantadomat]

That technic league's relic story was really dark and well written.

Edit:The one with the robot ants.

 

[cw8]

This guy solos the Wild Hunt on Unfair, meanwhile I have trouble with 5 ppl on Challenging.

 

[Shadenuat]

You just need a high level wizard/sorc with Heighten spell, really. Because

Do multiple clouds stack

In PnP only highest of the same spells affects creature at the same time afaik, in game it's not like that so that is where 22 stinking clouds 500 siroccos and final boss stabbed by 72 blade barriers come from.

A basic conjurer with a bunch of heightened stinking clouds stunlocks elfs hard at which point you can stab them with dagger +1 as long as you want buffed with Delay Poison.

And since Conjuration passes through resists, you can probably beat whole game with just Grease, Glitterdust and Mustard Gas, no other spells. Grease low reflex, Blind low will (lol blinded golemz), choke Fey (how do you poison will o wisp? uhhh how do you sneak attack one? same). Most powerful and simple CC caster. Naturally you can mix Evocation into it for complete domination.

Enemies need more resists I'd say (like in AD&D where Liches just ignored low level spells), and more area dispels (like that wind dispel they are smart to use in BG2 with mods, whacha call it, zone of sweet air?).

 

[Fedora Master]

This guy solos the Wild Hunt on Unfair, meanwhile I have trouble with 5 ppl on Challenging.

Well yea, it's the sirocco/cloud thing just taken to 11.

 

[ArchAngel]

You just need a high level wizard/sorc with Heighten spell, really. Because

Do multiple clouds stack

In PnP only highest of the same spells affects creature at the same time afaik, in game it's not like that so that is where 22 stinking clouds 500 siroccos and final boss stabbed by 72 blade barriers come from.

A basic conjurer with a bunch of heightened stinking clouds stunlocks elfs hard at which point you can stab them with dagger +1 as long as you want buffed with Delay Poison.

And since Conjuration passes through resists, you can probably beat whole game with just Grease, Glitterdust and Mustard Gas, no other spells. Grease low reflex, Blind low will (lol blinded golemz), choke Fey (how do you poison will o wisp? uhhh how do you sneak attack one? same). Most powerful and simple CC caster. Naturally you can mix Evocation into it for complete domination.

Spells like Stinking Cloud , you do not need to inhale for them to work. They get into your system through any ways possible, including skin contact.

 

[hell bovine]

The problem with the wild hunt is that they seem to be tailored towards optimized party builds, not accounting for the fact if you play for the first time, you'll likely have screwed up at some point, if only because of class-related bugs. My party has Ms. Piggy and any animal companion gets a base ac of 40+ at the level cap. When you buff them, they end up in the 60-70 ac range. They can tank the wild hunt, at least when polymorphed into a dragon (otherwise Ms. Piggy was getting feared). At which point they do a better job than the only tank available as a companion, who already has terrible stats.

So my advice would be to get a sacred huntsmaster mercenary with a tripping pet, as they apparently share teamwork feats with their companion. You need a wizard (mage armor, animal growth, greater polymorph), an alchemist (shield, stat buffs, stoneskin etc.) and the standard divine buffs (freedom, death ward). Add Nok-Nok under the guise of greater invisibility (admittedly, my goblin hero is multiclassed as a barbarian, and uses rage on top of that) and your team will be able to melee the wild hunt. Well, at least on challenging.

 

[Shadenuat]

But how do you make will o wisp slip on oiled ground

Spells like Stinking Cloud you do not need to inhale for them to work

I'd say it actually would be great if that spell only worked on those who 100% inhale it; while Cloud Kill and Acid Fog (obviously) would not. It would bring some interesting variation for types of mustard gas you use

 

[Israfael]

mustard gas

Novichok

Heighten is probably the most useful metamagix, I've killed Siroket yesterday with her retarded regen on thanks to hightened PK

 

[Mark.L.Joy]

I am waiting for patches to stop but they don't

 

[fantadomat]

I am waiting for patches to stop but they don't

They will speed up after the DLCs hit the floor.

 

[ArchAngel]

But how do you make will o wisp slip on oiled ground

Spells like Stinking Cloud you do not need to inhale for them to work

I'd say it actually would be great if that spell only worked on those who 100% inhale it; while Cloud Kill and Acid Fog (obviously) would not. It would bring some interesting variation for types of mustard gas you use

Grease works on Will of Wisp?!
You should report that as a bug.

 

[Lawntoilet]

1. I belong in the group that is waiting for 2020 to come and the game to be semi-fixed. The question is, how can all you spergs defend a game you haven't played?

2. Witcher 3 is a passable action adventure game with RPG elements. The gameplay is boring but the world building, characters, and story, is top notch. The perfect storyfag game. If you ask why i enjoyed a storyfag game so much, you have to understand i fell for a bait and switch. Witcher 1 was incline and i got into the universe and the books, so i had to suffer the abomination that was 2 and the meh that was 3 just because i got so immersed in the story. It does not happen that often for me.

3. You have a point, but thing is, PoE rules make more sense for a computer game and are not that hard to learn, it takes 2-3 hours to begin to grasp what the fuck is happening. Besides, PoE system is just a recreation of the 2nd edition system, just more streamlined for a video game. Even the fucking spells are essentially renamed DnD spells

1. Most of us in this thread have played it and the bugs are mitigated enough to make for a good gameplay experience. The underlying game is good enough that it transcends the bugs. Have you started playing it yet?
2. TW3 has good to very good writing in pretty much everything except the main plot and Mary Sue Ciri. Dialogue and characters in particular are excellent. However the quest design is mostly "follow Witcher sense -> samey fight" even when the writing around the quest is good (like when you go to fight the Fiend but find it already dead, etc) and it gets very tedious.
3. Deadfire system with its bonuses and afflictions, and all the class features selections, is very different from 2e.
The afflictions and such were particularly arcane (you could learn what "Healthy" meant through the encyclopedia but why not just say "+5 Con" like any D&D game, including Kingmaker, would say?)

short, fat, dwarf beard, man boobs

We are not all Greek here:

 

[ArchAngel]

Game now has 81% steam score for last 30 days but total score is still 69%. Their publishers really fucked them over. If they could have worked on the game for 1 month more and then released it, the reception would have been completely different.

 

[Shadenuat]

The story of every ambitious rpg ever

Revios will probably even out eventually. Elex for example now has very good reviews, latest glowing even.

 

[Fedora Master]

The Lawful Evil barony heraldry reminds me of something. I juuuust can't put my finger on it.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Game now has 81% steam score for last 30 days but total score is still 69%. Their publishers really fucked them over. If they could have worked on the game for 1 month more and then released it, the reception would have been completely different.

I agree, but reading steam reviews they're not all about bugs, there are a lot of butthurt "game too hard" negative reviews, which wouldn't have been helped by delaying release.

 

[Sacred82]

I'm going to split the thread eventually, just to warn all you whiners ahead of time

can u just put this in your sig

 

[Thonius]

The Lawful Evil barony heraldry reminds me of something. I juuuust can't put my finger on it.

It's a number 4... four what? And why?

 

[Sacred82]

I wanted to dismiss your post but then

4) Bonus points because it is an indie production made somewhere in Siberia, company offices inside an old Gulag or something. Gives prestige

you fucking fuck





btw do we know anything about this DLC except muh Deeplings? Even that is disappointing, how can they put only one more companion in this game, even BG2 had more companions than this

 

[Thonius]

Relax guy's! There will be other DLC's, trust me! How hard to make a new race? Not hard since there is a mod's already that alow you goblin and kobold play-through.

 

[ArchAngel]

Relax guy's! There will be other DLC's, trust me! How hard to make a new race? Not hard since there is a mod's already that alow you goblin and kobold play-through.

The meat of this DLC will be the companion.
They had to record more VO, add few quests and maybe even add some advisor options.

 

[ga♥]

I never used sirocco with wild hunt, but spammed weird... which is a lvl9 spell, so you need a dedicate wiz (+arcane bond).
It works if you can afford it and they nerfed sirocco.

 

[cw8]

So how are we supposed to deal with the entire room full of Wild Hunt mobs? They just melt fully characters down with 50+AC down just the same. Paralysed even after Freedom of Movement as well.

Sirocco and acid fog, with something like tar pit to hold them inside. Polar midnight if you have it. Layer the field & then initiate combat by a fireball or another long range spell, to lure them into the mass aoe spam.

Thanks for the Acid Fog tip. Easier when there are chokepoints. The other one where you're stuck in the big room, I had to spam 4 Siroccos to win. Kinda bad enemy design if you sorta need Sirocco to win. If you didn't pick Sirocco for your casters, aren't u fucked?

And I love Legendary Porportions spell, especially when it help hits a Monarch

 

[ga♥]

About the enemy design; yeah it's kinda farked. It's targeted towards uber autism min maxing. I guess they guessed if they did not do that then the autists would cry the game was too easy with a min maxed alchemist build. Yes, I said it, alchemist is fucking borked, especially vivisectionist. It has all the advantages of all the other classes and none of the disadvantages. Which is fine. This is D&D.

well, it's so good mostly because of how sneak attack is implemented in the game.
It's not a full BAB class. Also 1d8 HP/level.

 

[Lawntoilet]

ga♥, I take issue with being tagged :racist: for my post, just yesterday I was trying to defend the Greeks against the ugly stereotype of being goatfuckers. I just find Templar complaining about Kingmaker being a buggy mess (which it is but it's still great) and defending Deadfire (also a buggy mess at release) when he hasn't even played it.