Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Sykar]

someone so beautiful they are offered to temple of goddess of beauty as they believe her to be her chosen/favored.
someone so beautiful paladins come after her to take her back to faithful flock after she openly declared atheism.

how is this supposed to be taken?

What people think gods do or did and what actually happened is often quite different. Also considering that Valerie rejects everything related to beauty I see no reason why we should see her "beautified". She does everything in her power to escape from that. So I find her portrait fitting. Especially once she loses the duel as she is supposed to. I find it hilarious to what length people go to make her win that duel when they do not even like her.

 

[RNGsus]

ι cant fap to it so its bad

/codex logic.

Yeah, I noticed only codex like to look at beautiful women.

 

[Pink Eye]

ι cant fap to it so its bad

/codex logic.

Yeah, I noticed only codex like to look at beautiful women.

It's almost like beautiful women are pleasing to look at. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a male of whom is a slave to his own biological drives.

 

[Sykar]

ι cant fap to it so its bad

/codex logic.

Yeah, I noticed only codex like to look at beautiful women.

It's almost like beautiful women are pleasing to look at. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a male of whom is a slave to his own biological drives.

What drives he average codexer:

 

[prodigydancer]

Just double/triple scirocco the room. Stand out of the door and wait. I didn't even have to buff.

That's what I tried first, didn't work. Siroccos stopped the adds but not the Chanter (then again, I don't have anyone specializing in Evocation). Carefully spreading out to avoid mind-control AoE worked for me.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Excuses don't change the fact that Valerie's portrait should look like a smoking hot chick who tries to discourage the incels and it doesn't come close to giving that impression. Also, the portrait isn't the biggest problem, it's that they chose her to also be a divine beauty that at the same time is a 19 con beast that can facetank trolls, dragons'n'shit, which is just reaching too much and kinda... dare I say, immersion breaking. I can buy someone like the barbarian chick, she's not the best written, but I get it, ok. But with Val - ehhhh...

 

[Haplo]

buff her to hell before encounter?
im not sure if it works (or ever did) but i vaguely remember you could "drink" alchemist fires from inventory and it cast them at your feet so you could use it if you got a bunch lying around

Even with megabuffs that fight is very hard to win.

Well, below Unfair all you need is a couple points in UMD and the Acid Arrow wand that's sitting useless in your inventory.

 

[Yosharian]

someone so beautiful they are offered to temple of goddess of beauty as they believe her to be her chosen/favored.
someone so beautiful paladins come after her to take her back to faithful flock after she openly declared atheism.

how is this supposed to be taken?

What people think gods do or did and what actually happened is often quite different. Also considering that Valerie rejects everything related to beauty I see no reason why we should see her "beautified". She does everything in her power to escape from that. So I find her portrait fitting. Especially once she loses the duel as she is supposed to. I find it hilarious to what length people go to make her win that duel when they do not even like her.

Players attempt to win the duel because players like winning at videogames, the logic isn't exactly a mystery, nor is it hard to understand.

Furthermore her 'scar' wouldn't affect her beauty much, if she was beautiful in the first place, because of the type of scar and positioning. It'd be different if it was something bold, like a severed ear, or half her face burned off, or something like that.

Lastly it takes some supreme mental gymnastics to justify her not being beautiful in her portrait given how every NPC in the game treats her, but whatever works for you I guess... that said, just because it works for you, doesn't mean others are at fault when they say it doesn't work for them.

 

[Yosharian]

buff her to hell before encounter?
im not sure if it works (or ever did) but i vaguely remember you could "drink" alchemist fires from inventory and it cast them at your feet so you could use it if you got a bunch lying around

Even with megabuffs that fight is very hard to win.

Well, below Unfair all you need is a couple points in UMD and the Acid Arrow wand that's sitting useless in your inventory.

Huh. How the fuck does an Acid Arrow wand win that fight?

 

[Haplo]

so for octavia to sneak attack with dem rays (when someone uses tabletop mod) i need shatter defences+weapon focus ray+dirge of doom/dazzling dispaly?

Greater Invisibility should be enough in most cases. AT also has Invisible Thief and Impromptu Sneak Attack, second one guaranteed sneak.

Greater Invisibility / Invisible Thief is fine trough a large part of the game. However end game it rarely works. Impromptu is guaranteed, but its only 4 times per rest.
Shatter still helpful I'd say. Dirge of Doom is great, but also Frightful Aspect spell is very good if your casters can stay near the enemies.

 

[Haplo]

buff her to hell before encounter?
im not sure if it works (or ever did) but i vaguely remember you could "drink" alchemist fires from inventory and it cast them at your feet so you could use it if you got a bunch lying around

Even with megabuffs that fight is very hard to win.

Well, below Unfair all you need is a couple points in UMD and the Acid Arrow wand that's sitting useless in your inventory.

Huh. How the fuck does an Acid Arrow wand win that fight?

Simply to outlast and outspam him. Acid Arrow is a ranged touch attack so can hardly miss and deals decent-ish damage at that level. Val could barely hit him, with the wand she hits all the time.
There surely are better ways (like turning Val into a Kinetic Knight and butchering him with Fire Blade), but that costs nothing and is sufficient.

 

[Sykar]

someone so beautiful they are offered to temple of goddess of beauty as they believe her to be her chosen/favored.
someone so beautiful paladins come after her to take her back to faithful flock after she openly declared atheism.

how is this supposed to be taken?

What people think gods do or did and what actually happened is often quite different. Also considering that Valerie rejects everything related to beauty I see no reason why we should see her "beautified". She does everything in her power to escape from that. So I find her portrait fitting. Especially once she loses the duel as she is supposed to. I find it hilarious to what length people go to make her win that duel when they do not even like her.

Players attempt to win the duel because players like winning at videogames, the logic isn't exactly a mystery, nor is it hard to understand.

Furthermore her 'scar' wouldn't affect her beauty much, if she was beautiful in the first place, because of the type of scar and positioning. It'd be different if it was something bold, like a severed ear, or half her face burned off, or something like that.

Lastly it takes some supreme mental gymnastics to justify her not being beautiful in her portrait given how every NPC in the game treats her, but whatever works for you I guess... that said, just because it works for you, doesn't mean others are at fault when they say it doesn't work for them.

Apart from the hair cut she is good looking. What is more beauty ideals do change across time and cultures.

https://www.thelist.com/44261/womens-perfect-body-types-changed-throughout-history/

 

[Yosharian]

someone so beautiful they are offered to temple of goddess of beauty as they believe her to be her chosen/favored.
someone so beautiful paladins come after her to take her back to faithful flock after she openly declared atheism.

how is this supposed to be taken?

What people think gods do or did and what actually happened is often quite different. Also considering that Valerie rejects everything related to beauty I see no reason why we should see her "beautified". She does everything in her power to escape from that. So I find her portrait fitting. Especially once she loses the duel as she is supposed to. I find it hilarious to what length people go to make her win that duel when they do not even like her.

Players attempt to win the duel because players like winning at videogames, the logic isn't exactly a mystery, nor is it hard to understand.

Furthermore her 'scar' wouldn't affect her beauty much, if she was beautiful in the first place, because of the type of scar and positioning. It'd be different if it was something bold, like a severed ear, or half her face burned off, or something like that.

Lastly it takes some supreme mental gymnastics to justify her not being beautiful in her portrait given how every NPC in the game treats her, but whatever works for you I guess... that said, just because it works for you, doesn't mean others are at fault when they say it doesn't work for them.

Apart from the hair cut she is good looking. What is more beauty ideals do change across time and cultures.

https://www.thelist.com/44261/womens-perfect-body-types-changed-throughout-history/

I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. She's boyish, lacking feminine features, isn't beautiful at all - but that's to my eyes. I guess if a few progressives think she's beautiful then there is no problem at all with the art.

Really appreciate the lecture on changing beauty ideals though, thanks

 

[Delterius]

someone so beautiful they are offered to temple of goddess of beauty as they believe her to be her chosen/favored.
someone so beautiful paladins come after her to take her back to faithful flock after she openly declared atheism.

how is this supposed to be taken?

What people think gods do or did and what actually happened is often quite different. Also considering that Valerie rejects everything related to beauty I see no reason why we should see her "beautified". She does everything in her power to escape from that. So I find her portrait fitting. Especially once she loses the duel as she is supposed to. I find it hilarious to what length people go to make her win that duel when they do not even like her.

Players attempt to win the duel because players like winning at videogames, the logic isn't exactly a mystery, nor is it hard to understand.

Furthermore her 'scar' wouldn't affect her beauty much, if she was beautiful in the first place, because of the type of scar and positioning. It'd be different if it was something bold, like a severed ear, or half her face burned off, or something like that.

Lastly it takes some supreme mental gymnastics to justify her not being beautiful in her portrait given how every NPC in the game treats her, but whatever works for you I guess... that said, just because it works for you, doesn't mean others are at fault when they say it doesn't work for them.

Apart from the hair cut she is good looking. What is more beauty ideals do change across time and cultures.

https://www.thelist.com/44261/womens-perfect-body-types-changed-throughout-history/

I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. She's boyish, lacking feminine features, isn't beautiful at all - but that's to my eyes. I guess if a few progressives think she's beautiful then there is no problem at all with the art.

Really appreciate the lecture on changing beauty ideals though, thanks

By saying this you have outted yourself as racist against german women and must be punished.

 

[Sykar]

 

[Trashos]

I think that Val is decently good-looking. She is just nowhere near astonishing, as she is supposed to be.

 

[Sykar]

So would this have been better to you:

?

 

[Shadenuat]

ew.

looks like one part of her face was symmetricaly rotated in photoshop to match another. = stare in the abyss gaze.
that's not how humans work.

 

[Trashos]

I am in love Yes, that is much better. However, now she does not look like a tank (which she should not have been, but anyway).

 

[Daidre]

I think Valerie's beauty is more about "golden ratio" and perfect symmetry/proportions than modern "anime-girl pretty" with oversized eyes + tiny nose + wide mouth + full lips.

 

[Delterius]

that's not how humans work.

I am in love

interesting input

 

[Cael]

That hair cut makes her look like a Benedictine monk.

 

[Shadenuat]

interesting input

i am even more surprised since avatar from Arcanum; and in Arcanum all women portraits are interesting to cute to just beautiful and everyone looks like actual human being (since they were traced from photos).

humans have naturally some asymmetry in them. we percieve symmetry as beautiful, but only to a point; somewhere around too much you get magazine covers with makeup and beyond that is anime dolls.

valerie of course is an ugly boy and joke of a character but that thing is even worse since it just frightens me.

artist simply chosen that joan de arc actress with ugly boi haircut (which is again strange, she's not a saint and is kinda dum?). then writer said she's beatifur; then designer added 19 con.

swear it's either a joke or a set of random unlucky circumstances and thus valerie was born.

 

[Trashos]

I can see the above girl entering the room and turning all heads. In-game Val, not so much.

(depends on body too, of course, but I am trying to keep things simple)

 

[Shadenuat]

I can see the above girl entering the room and turning all heads

yes cause she looks like an alien.