Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[MajorMace]

A few things remain broken, yes. The phenomenon you describe is working as intended finally. It was fixed last month.

Desiderius How is it working as intended in my example though ?

 

[Pink Eye]

I can't speak on the other part, but I can speak on this:
>I just hit level 3, my warrior unlocked the usual Armor Training which grants a -1 bonus to Armor Penalty (and a +1 to max Dex bonus that doesn't matter here)
Basically what it means is that it's increasing how much DEX gets added to your AC. Heavy armor limits the amount of total AC you can gain from DEX. Heavy armor users cap out at around 14 DEX. That's around +2 AC. With fighter training you would gain more AC from your DEX stat. So, at 16 DEX plus fighter training you'd get +3 AC, and so on. Without fighter training you're not going to get any additional AC above 14 DEX. The same thing applies to Tower Shield training as well. I believe.

On the one hand, thank you for your answer, on the other hand it's not something that concerns my issue or that I ignored in the first place :D

Could you post a screenshot?

 

[MajorMace]

Could you post a screenshot?

Her character sheet

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Banded Mail & Tower Shield sheets for reference

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EDIT I messed up, but the Banded Mail gives -6 Armor Penatly without modifiers.

The issue

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With both (-4 bonus to armor penalty instead of the announced -3)

Without banded mail (No issues, the -3 bonus to armor penatly correctly applies)

Without tower shield (The -4 bonus to armor penatly remains on the armor even though the tower shield is unequipped)

 

[Desiderius]

TSS2

TSS3

TSS7

TSS19

First one lowers penalties by three on the three skills (Athletics, Mobility, Stealth) hindered by the encumbrance of a Tower Shield. Each successive training lowers it by one.

And shove your Decline up your ass, I'm taking care of twins here.

 

[Desiderius]

Could you post a screenshot?

Her character sheet

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Banded Mail & Tower Shield sheets for reference

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EDIT I messed up, but the Banded Mail gives -6 Armor Penatly without modifiers.

The issue

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With both (-4 bonus to armor penalty instead of the announced -3)

Without banded mail (No issues, the -3 bonus to armor penatly correctly applies)

Without tower shield (The -4 bonus to armor penatly remains on the armor even though the tower shield is unequipped)

That's Athletics, not Armor. Working as Intended.

 

[MajorMace]

Yes it's Athletics. And it's a skill concerned by the armor penalty. You know... the thing we're concerned about here. And which is clearly displayed on the screenshot. Are you tired or something ?

PS : I'm glad it works fine for you by the way. If anybody is interested in enlightening me on my own case, I'd appreciate it folks.

 

[Pink Eye]

Could you post a screenshot?

Her character sheet

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Banded Mail & Tower Shield sheets for reference

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EDIT I messed up, but the Banded Mail gives -6 Armor Penatly without modifiers.

The issue

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With both (-4 bonus to armor penalty instead of the announced -3)

Without banded mail (No issues, the -3 bonus to armor penatly correctly applies)

Without tower shield (The -4 bonus to armor penatly remains on the armor even though the tower shield is unequipped)

I am inclined to say that there might be a UI bug there. Sometimes the UI doesn't correctly display the right values. In which case I suggest performing a athletics check, then checking the battle log. The battle log usually shows the right values.

 

[MajorMace]

I am inclined to say that there might be a UI bug there. Sometimes the UI doesn't correctly display the right values. In which case I suggest performing a athletics check, then checking the battle log. The battle log usually shows the right values.

I hoped someone had the answer, but if this was changed recently I guess there's little intel on this. I'll do the tests and post the feedback.

Those are the correct values.

The fact that the armor penatly is the same for the Banded Mail with and without the tower shield is already an error which contradicts the Tower Shield Training description.

 

[Desiderius]

I am inclined to say that there might be a UI bug there. Sometimes the UI doesn't correctly display the right values. In which case I suggest performing a athletics check, then checking the battle log. The battle log usually shows the right values.

I hoped someone had the answer, but if this was changed recently I guess there's little intel on this. I'll do the tests and post the feedback.

What -4 penalty are you talking about? It says -2 for Banded Mail. 8-2=6. The -3 is from Medium Encumbrance.

 

[Desiderius]

Yes it's Athletics. And it's a skill concerned by the armor penalty. You know... the thing we're concerned about here. And which is clearly displayed on the screenshot. Are you tired or something ?

PS : I'm glad it works fine for you by the way. If anybody is interested in enlightening me on my own case, I'd appreciate it folks.

Yes, I know, that's why I posted four screenshot spelling it out for you. It works fine for you too dipshit. Want help bring a better attitude.

EDIT: it doesn't work fine for him or this dipshit.

 

[MajorMace]

Encumbrance occurs when both are equipped. Its malus is independant to the specific malus of the armor. This isn't the issue here.
Default armor penatly for Banded Mail is -6
Wether I equip the tower shield or not, it displays -2 (meaning I get a bonus of 4 to my Armor penalty).
This bonus of 4 is either normal (bonus 1 for Armor Training + bonus 3 for Tower Shield Training) or already absurd since the TST description says it should be a bonus of 3 total : It doesn't say the bonus adds up with the Armor Training bonus, but rather suggests that it replaces it.
The TST description states that this bonus only occurs when I use a tower shield, so even if it's a regular total bonus, it shouldn't be the same without the tower shield equipped.

I really don't know how to be clearer.

PS : you still haven't explained why the total in the first screen is wrong by +2. Which is yet another issue.

 

[Pink Eye]

MajorMace I found this thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/5/1770385542763468646/ I have no clue if this applies to your situation.

 

[MajorMace]

MajorMace I found this thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/5/1770385542763468646/ I have no clue if this applies to your situation.

Yeah I saw this thread but I think this is the issue that got fixed as mentioned earlier.
The bonus does apply properly for my tower shield. My issue with the numbers displayed here, is that it doesn't seem to modify my armor penalty on the equipped banded mail correctly.
Without a tower shield equipped, my Armor Training (lvl 3 fighter) should result in such a line in the Athletics Check card :
Armor : -5 [Banded Mail]

For clarification : the Tower Shield Training states :
At 3rd level, a tower shield specialist gains Armor Training as normal, but while he employs a tower shield, the armor penalty is reduced by 3 [...]

 

[Desiderius]

Confirmed MM is correct. It is double counting +3 (canceling out 3 of the armor penalty) from Third-level TSS ability on Armor and Shield, and the Armor bonus stacks with regular Armor training, even when the Shield is not equipped.

 

[Desiderius]

Looks like the TSS3 ability was originally implemented against the Armor penalty instead of the Shield penalty due to ambiguous wording. This created the impression that the ability wasn't implemented at all (and indeed some armors don't even have 3 to cancel out) leading them to apply it to the Shield in the bugfix and thus creating the present double-counting. Most endgame Armors would end up with no penalty for TSS anyway, but exploitable for multiclassing and the like.

 

[Pink Eye]

Huh, well that's mighty interesting. Still, I do suggest checking the battle log when doing an athletics check. It might be a UI bug.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Strikes me that this will almost never come up in play. Valerie isn't normally used for any skill checks except maybe persuade unless she falls in your own pit or web or something. Who makes a TSS MC?

 

[MajorMace]

Alright the case has been cracked then, I'll ignore it as mediocrepoet says, the only implication would be fatigue due to athletics but the way the game is designed, this specific skill being wrong by a small margin is not exactly impactful anyway.
Many thanks for your help folks.

 

[Desiderius]

Strikes me that this will almost never come up in play. Valerie isn't normally used for any skill checks except maybe persuade unless she falls in your own pit or web or something. Who makes a TSS MC?

Lol. I'm working hard to overcome that Stealth penalty in time for her Smilodon Wild Shape on Feyspeaker. Still considering rounding off TSS to level three at lvls 19-20. You retain Shield AC and bonuses while Wild Shaped.

 

[Pink Eye]

Strikes me that this will almost never come up in play. Valerie isn't normally used for any skill checks except maybe persuade unless she falls in your own pit or web or something. Who makes a TSS MC?

Lol. I'm working hard to overcome that Stealth penalty in time for her Smilodon Wild Shape on Feyspeaker. Still considering rounding off TSS to level three at lvls 19-20. You retain Shield AC and bonuses while Wild Shaped.

>You retain Shield AC and bonuses while Wild Shaped.
Whoa what! No way!

 

[Desiderius]

you still haven't explained why the total in the first screen is wrong by +2. Which is yet another issue.

The missing +2 Athletics bonus from the third lvl Ranger Endurance ability, obv.

 

[Cryomancer]

Guys, how i can know when is the first day of the week to a quest? I an re playing the game

 

[Pink Eye]

Guys, how i can know when is the first day of the week to a quest? I an re playing the game

You have to check the calendar. I think when you're camping it usually should show the date.

 

[Cryomancer]

You have to check the calendar. I think when you're camping it usually should show the date.

Don't show if is monday or wathever. I passed this part by saving on my kingdom, and going, if is nothing, reloading, waiting a day and trying if failed, wait 2 days and try(...) After i waited 4 days, it worked

 

[Pink Eye]

You have to check the calendar. I think when you're camping it usually should show the date.

Don't show if is monday or wathever. I passed this part by saving on my kingdom, and going, if is nothing, reloading, waiting a day and trying if failed, wait 2 days and try(...) After i waited 4 days, it worked

Is this the quest where you have to meet up with Kesten near the shrine of Lamashtu?