Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[The Decline]

Lol. Was getting really tired play the game and I didn't understand why the fuck 'cause it happened pretty much from one half hour to the other that I had tons of fun and then suddenly got all wonky while playing.

Turns out I had a bug where the perspective of the game changed and it fucked with my brain - I just didn't notice after game restart all is good again.

I downloaded a mod that let's you rotate the camera freely. Its pretty cool seeing things from any perspective but you can tell they didn't want you to. There's a lot of background pictures that just become black empty spaces when turned like the plain the capitol is overlooking.

Yeah I installed that too, but just to be able zoom out further.

 

[Grunker]

Realized too late that Mim's quest has a timer. Look at where that shit fails

 

[Delterius]

kingmaker in a nutshell

Spoiler

 

[Grunker]

Also: Cephal's voice actor is a fucking legend. I want him to voice every single narrator in every single RPG till the end of times. Preferably with that grumpy sneer that makes me ashamed I haven't cleaned up my room

 

[Erebus]

Yeah, after all the shit that happens during the Bloom, the fact that your peasants don't flee your barony in droves suggests that they either have massive balls or no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.

Depending on your choices, some of them may simply value their own lives less than low taxes, the availability of undead workers or the right to practice Lovecraftian religions.

 

[Delterius]

Yeah, after all the shit that happens during the Bloom, the fact that your peasants don't flee your barony in droves suggests that they either have massive balls or no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.

- What the fuck this place is whack, I'm going back to Brevoy!

- Come on man stay a while and gaze upon my 32 inch Charisma.

- Yes, my lord.

They'll never win the contested roll for freedom.

 

[vazha]

Guys, what do i do with the tenebrous depths in the OC? Cleared first floor with no troubles at lvl 7 unfair, do I delve deeper? Dont want to be overleveled for the main stuff

 

[Delterius]

Guys, what do i do with the tenebrous depths in the OC? Cleared first floor with no troubles at lvl 7 unfair, do I delve deeper? Dont want to be overleveled for the main stuff

You can only delve 4 floors at a time as the Main Campaign progresses. But tbh I skipped it entirely, plus a LOT of side content, and still ended up on level 19. I feel that was the right decision.

 

[NJClaw]

Guys, what do i do with the tenebrous depths in the OC? Cleared first floor with no troubles at lvl 7 unfair, do I delve deeper? Dont want to be overleveled for the main stuff

You can safely keep exploring the dungeon until the next fog wall. Don't worry about getting overleveled, because that won't happen. Experience from killing monsters is so marginal that it will barely matter.

If you think you will never go through the dungeon again, be sure to collect all the quest items. There's one on each floor, and you need to collect all of them before facing the next boss. You can use this guide to see if you missed any of them.

 

[vazha]

Oh I see, that helps a lot, Thank you! I already found the interview thingie, which i suppose is the quest item for the first floor. Jubilost probably would have something to say about that one I reckon, himself being a gnome journalist

 

[NJClaw]

Oh I see, that helps a lot, Thank you! I already found the interview thingie, which i suppose is the quest item for the first floor. Jubilost probably would have something to say about that one I reckon, himself being a gnome journalist

Keep in mind that (a) you need to collect all the quest items before facing each boss, and (b) even boss levels have a quest item in them, and sometimes there are branching paths and you risk reaching the boss before finding that level's item, "breaking" the quest. When you face a boss, you can know if you collected all the items before him, because in that case he will drop an additional quest item.

 

[vazha]

Hahaaa, i went down to the second floor and got promptly dispatched by weretigeroos

 

[LannTheStupid]

Yeah, after all the shit that happens during the Bloom, the fact that your peasants don't flee your barony in droves suggests that they either have massive balls or no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.

All the relatives up to the 3d degree of every peasant who flees are condemned to forced labour for life. And then raised as undead farmers.

Problem solved.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

D&D (and Pathfinder) has destroyed any shred of respect for lycanthropy.

 

[Desiderius]

Hahaaa, i went to the second room and got promptly dispatched by weretigeroos

Been there done that.

In the big scheme of things it’s not much cash/items/EXP but at the time it’s worth doing. There are a few unique items that have no equivalent elsewhere in the game as well.

 

[vazha]

Well, got the fear immunity helm on the first floor, which probably isn't going to see much use me being a goody-two shoes pally and all that.

On an unrelated note, downloaded the "Heroes of the Stolen Lands" portrait pack and replaced most of in game companion portraits & re-specced them (not in a (grossly) OP way, mostly due to flavour reasons, left the stats as they were):

• Amiri became a mad dog half-orc barbarian with a smilodon (I have no idea who she is in pathfinder lore, so no immershun breaking has been committed). Changed the portrait accordingly. Probably will go sacred huntsmaster route for proper Gorum (?) worshippin.
• Obama-guy is now a half orc freebooter - the original one had way too much We Wuz Kangz vibe for my liking. Wish I could mute / replace his voiceovers. Portrait changed accordingly, that pack has some real nice half orc portraits
• Blondie emo cleric is now an aasimar, what with him being a deva and stuff. Portrait replaced.
• Changed Valeries portrait to what I'd think would be considered a beautiful woman, instead of the Kristen Stewart wannabe original. Was tempted into respeccing her as a paladin, but since she so explicitly stated she never became one of them, didn't. Instead dipped into a lot of things, she s now a monk, a rogue (thug!), and even dabbles in vivisection. It's a mess. Probably will end up turning her into a Dragon Offspring Karen - Dirge Bard /Dragon disciple combo.
• Replaced Regongar's portrait with the original half-orc portrait in the game. Much less cartoony and more intimidating.
• Changed Octavia's portrait and respecced her into the single class Sage Sorcerer subtype. Won't go for the Arcane Trickster cheese, I am not that kind of guy. Might be tempted by Eldritch knigit if they have full caster progression and I'am left with free feats.
• Changed the obnoxious little bardington into a less obnoxious looking little halfling bardington. Less Animu this way.
• Havent touched Harrim and Jaethal. Portrait wise both are perfect, build-wise both are average at best, not using them.
• Respecced Jubilost (now that's an amazing voiceover work!) into a grenadier for more optimal Allahu-Akbaring.
  
  All in all, having much more fun now. On and my character is a Dex / Cha based Lawful Evil Monk 1 / Pally 2 (no abilities, cause alignment clash and I couldnt find a standalone antipaladin mod) / rogue 4, wielding that Pitax diplomat's nifty rapier (saved him from trolls, then ridiculed him and killed him, Val was upset lol) in the main hand and ehm, a flaming nunchaku xD in another. Have to decide whether I want to go for vivi (shield, mirror image, mutagens, immunities) or for slayer (full bab, nifty unique attack bonus, otherwise inaccessible feats) after this. If I end up discovering the antipally mod, I'll go full blackguard instead for weapon abilities.

 

[Desiderius]

Lol you guys are so used to playing shitty games you think you’ve got to mod everything before you even start to have a decent time.

some reasonable guesses there, but naturally a lot of misses as well. Why not try a spin as designed before jumping to conclusions?

 

[vazha]

I did try it once, the buggy version, got to the point where all of those feyfolk would come in wave after wave. Gave it up, was a slog.

p.s. what are the misses? Also, I didnt mod the gameplay as such, only companions and portraits, so your complaint is kinda moot here, good sir.

 

[Desiderius]

I did try it once, the buggy version, got to the point where all of those feyfolk would come in wave after wave. Gave it up, was a slog.

p.s. what are the misses? Also, I didnt mod the gameplay as such, only companions and portraits, so your complaint is kinda moot here, good sir.

No, it isn't. It's about companions. There is plenty of design space out of the box for 2,000 hours unmodded. They're so well designed that the only weak spot of the otherwise outstanding CotW mod is his Companion reconfigs.

 

[Desiderius]

Well, got the fear immunity helm on the first floor, which probably isn't going to see much use me being a goody-two shoes pally and all that.

On an unrelated note, downloaded the "Heroes of the Stolen Lands" portrait pack and replaced most of in game companion portraits & re-specced them (not in a (grossly) OP way, mostly due to flavour reasons, left the stats as they were):

• Amiri became a mad dog half-orc barbarian with a smilodon (I have no idea who she is in pathfinder lore, so no immershun breaking has been committed). Changed the portrait accordingly. Probably will go sacred huntsmaster route for proper Gorum (?) worshippin.
• Obama-guy is now a half orc freebooter - the original one had way too much We Wuz Kangz vibe for my liking. Wish I could mute / replace his voiceovers. Portrait changed accordingly, that pack has some real nice half orc portraits
• Blondie emo cleric is now an aasimar, what with him being a deva and stuff. Portrait replaced.
• Changed Valeries portrait to what I'd think would be considered a beautiful woman, instead of the Kristen Stewart wannabe original. Was tempted into respeccing her as a paladin, but since she so explicitly stated she never became one of them, didn't. Instead dipped into a lot of things, she s now a monk, a rogue (thug!), and even dabbles in vivisection. It's a mess. Probably will end up turning her into a Dragon Offspring Karen - Dirge Bard /Dragon disciple combo.
• Replaced Regongar's portrait with the original half-orc portrait in the game. Much less cartoony and more intimidating.
• Changed Octavia's portrait and respecced her into the single class Sage Sorcerer subtype. Won't go for the Arcane Trickster cheese, I am not that kind of guy. Might be tempted by Eldritch knigit if they have full caster progression and I'am left with free feats.
• Changed the obnoxious little bardington into a less obnoxious looking little halfling bardington. Less Animu this way.
• Havent touched Harrim and Jaethal. Portrait wise both are perfect, build-wise both are average at best, not using them.
• Respecced Jubilost (now that's an amazing voiceover work!) into a grenadier for more optimal Allahu-Akbaring.
  
  All in all, having much more fun now. On and my character is a Dex / Cha based Lawful Evil Monk 1 / Pally 2 (no abilities, cause alignment clash and I couldnt find a standalone antipaladin mod) / rogue 4, wielding that Pitax diplomat's nifty rapier (saved him from trolls, then ridiculed him and killed him, Val was upset lol) in the main hand and ehm, a flaming nunchaku xD in another. Have to decide whether I want to go for vivi (shield, mirror image, mutagens, immunities) or for slayer (full bab, nifty unique attack bonus, otherwise inaccessible feats) after this. If I end up discovering the antipally mod, I'll go full blackguard instead for weapon abilities.

Amiri as Sacred Huntmaster with Barb 2 splash is as good if not better than base Huntmaster or Mad Dog, but nothing comes close to Barb2-10/Freebooter 10+ unless your main is a Booter
Ekun is as far from Obama as humanly possible. He's not an SJW or Hotep he's a strong silent redneck.
Aasimar's fine for Tristian. Could stand to be more masculine but not emo and he'll miss that Human Feat.
You're right that your Val's a mess. Dragon Disciple blows.
Reg is a cartoon. Self-inflicted. Mirth is the mail of anguish. Evil a product of neglect rather than malice, which is why it isn't permanent.
If you think that Trickster is cheese you've got a lot of improvement to look forward to. Way more powerful and interesting things you can do with her, though Trickster is a solid variant that carries it's weight a little better in the early levels. Nothing remotely Sage about her. You can take her EK fine as is since R4 is so good for DEX-melee.
She's a teenage girl. Obnoxious is their job, but she's more just immature than obnoxious.
You're missing at least three things on Harrim and the idea that Jae is average at anything is laughable. Base Inq is busted for starters and her point buy is insane. It would take a genius to find a merely average build for her.
What exactly are you getting from Grenadier that you aren't on Alchie? I know it looks strictly better since Poison sadly is irrelevant but what you actually get doesn't amount to much. He's dominant as is.

LE. Figures.

 

[vazha]

Well, that's a lot of points, thanks for making an effort, appreciate it.

Ok, lets start one by one. I wont touch the matters of taste, i.e. whether Ekun is Kang or Neck, just builds.

• On Amiri - I am kinda torn between optimality and immersion there. I do want to have that smilodon on her and freebooter, as nifty as his bonus is, would gimp the beast. What I went instead is Mad Dog 2(I think?), ranger 4 (for lead blades, favored fey and free style feat) and now the rest will go into huntmaster, for the resounding blow etc. Thinking about the ways of obtaining sneak damage though.
• On Val, my idea was to amass a lot of ac, dirge doom enemies, and dazzle every now and then while still being able to hit things in a pinch. Therefore monk for free unarmed & crane style, followed by bard for mirror image and the song, with 4 dragon disciple levels in between for 4 str, bite, breath, and 2 ac. Then bard again, with dragon heritage levels kicking in for eventual wings. Crane wing, riposte, would go dip in kinetic knight for combart expertise but kinetics seems just too op in general with its touch elemental attacks. Oh and arcane protector for another +3 ac, other hand free for flurry and deflect arrows. Don't think I am doing much wrong here. Good ac (certainly blows the Tower shield specialist out of water even with shield masteries), good casting support and lets me free the spot that Linzi is holding right now for a damage dealer.
• On Octavia - well, there I really am at a loss. Not that she has performed badly so far, as far as sorcerers go. Would love to know what to do better, all the while having her as a caster first and foremost and not a frontline character. Will respec into transmutation wizard with ray specialization once disintegrate and the like arrives I guess. It worked like a charm in previous playthrough.
• No idea about those three Harrim things (as far as healbots go Tristina is far superior and I already have a passable offtank / damage dealer in main character)
• Equally at loss about whats so special about Jaethal stats aside of her undead immunities. Her quest is lovely though.
• Re: Grenadier, he gets the friendly bombington ability, as well as martial weapons, many of them have a spell per day ability, or some other boni he might find an use for. Poison is a non issue with delay poison, so I dont see a reason not to go full bombie on him.

P.s. What on earth is the point of the Deliverer? As in, he gets some lovely abilities later on, but what alignment are you supposed to play, lawful good?

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I used Octavia almost full time my second play through. She did not say much, but that's because very early on I let her know where she stood. Unsurprisingly, she neither annoyed nor repulsed me after that. She was rather unnecessary in my OP party, but like the gnat on the Buffalo's horn, her weight was of no consequence.

Do go early to the megadungeon though. You need to get the robes which procs fear. I would typically have Ekun wear it and generate AoO on anything that wasn't murdered outright.

My god some of those builds sound finicky. Its really not necessary. If you want to stack AC, Valerie is just fine as a TSS. I ran her as a straight Spawn Slayer and she tanked just fine.

 

[vazha]

Did you play on unfair? That's what led me to experimenting. I used to be a better person back then, you know.

 

[Efe]

if you arent actually using octavia, you better leave her out since her low con lower than anyone else and fatigues faster.
if you hate a companions voice, portrait and starting classes, wouldnt hiring a merc be more prudent at that point?

 

[vazha]

Voice-wise my only complaint is the ranger, the rest, especially jubilost and nok-nok, are superbly done. I already explained what portraits I didnt like - also credit goes to that portrait pack being clearly superior. and I do like the quests and the companions, most of them are very well-written, distinct BG 2 vibe and whatnot.