Pathfinder Kingmaker is better than Baldur's Gate

[Lagole Gon]

Change my mind.
Or fight me.

Okay.

 

[Gargaune]

Pathfinder Kingmaker is better than Baldur's Gate 3

Fixed.

 

[AdamReith]

Pathfinder Kingmaker is better than Baldur's Gate 3

Fixed.

Finally, something we can all agree on. The Codex is saved.

 

[Cryomancer]

Pathfinder Kingmaker is better than Baldur's Gate 3 and Any Larian game

Fixed.

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[Dodo1610]

BG is better since it's the more consistent experience, I think PF does most things better than BG (UX, quests, roleplaying, character options...) but Kingmakers weak second half and the boring Kingdom management hold it back. + BG actually has a better presentation, Kingmaker doesn't even have an intro cinematic

 

[AdamReith]

Yeah, I have a feeling if they really embraced the sandbox nature of it and spent the time on those horrible companions on making the world more reactive to the player instead it would have been something really special.

The kingdom management seems irredeemable to me though. Oh great, I have 11 loyalty. Wow. Something like number of loyal swords, tax collectors and forts or really anything else would have been more fun.

 

[Ulysa]

When you guys say that PK had better quests...what are you talking about? Can't remember anything near cool as , say the Cult of the Unseeing Eye quest, Firkraag or Umar.

 

[JarlFrank]

It's better than BG1 for sure, but that's not a great achievement.

It's not better than BG2 though.

 

[Cryomancer]

say the Cult of the Unseeing Eye quest, Firkraag or Umar.

Those are BG2 quests...

I believe that only the people who think that D&D should be dungeons & kobolds prefer BG1 over 2...

 

[Swen]

BG3 is better though.

 

[0sacred]

they're both shit

 

[Nifft Batuff]

You cannot compare these two games. They belong to different genres.

 

[Delterius]

BG has characters you don't want to choke to death

No.

The best part of doing an evil play through is killing Jaheira, and then when Minsc goes berserk, killing him to.

That's the best part of the good playthrough too, except it includes killing most every other companion.

 

[Cat Dude]

Pathfinder has turn based combat. The addition that makes it better than BG2.

 

[oldmanpaco]

It's better than BG1 for sure, but that's not a great achievement.

It's not better than BG2 though.

But... BG1 is better than BG2.

 

[JarlFrank]

It's better than BG1 for sure, but that's not a great achievement.

It's not better than BG2 though.

But... BG1 is better than BG2.

Except that it's not.

BG1 is one of the most banal and boring RPGs around. BG2 is a lot of fun.

 

[Serus]

Agree with Jarl on that, BG1 sucks. And since the OP asked about "Baldur's Gate" so i assume about BG1 - P:K is the obvious winner because it doesn't suck. Even if it should have been much better.

 

[Desiderius]

Gave this game another go over the weekend. It's got pretty combat and that. is. it.

BG has the music, the sense of adventure, characters you don't want to choke to death, a story where you actually care what's happening, a realm that doesn't just exist to make busy work for you.

In BG you feel like a hero, in Pathfinder you feel like a janitor, one that everybody hates despite them bending over backwards to keep things running.

Anyway, no, I didn't really care for it this time either. Thanks for asking.

That’s the set-up. You’ve got to stick around for the joke. Granted it wears out it’s welcome before the end of the game but there’s an incomparable ride in the middle.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Weird thread, it's like having a debate whether cancer is better than aids.

#turnbasedmasterrace

 

[Desiderius]

In BG I never remember sighing and going to the motions as I fought yet another Yellow Ferocious Wyvern, or a regular model of an Owlbear they increased the size of so it filled the screen.

Compared to Diablo, Pathfinder might be an improvement but it fails at world building too hard to be considered a contender to BG1.

If you just want to wander the world killing shit and collecting +2 belts and rings of protection then it's a pretty good time.

Yeah I hate the tone of Linzi's journal (including the text adventure stuff, very badly written too)- but I complained about that stuff last play through.

Turn based combat is well implemented and it is great to have the option but its very clear the encounters weren't designed with it in mind. I started off TB for the first couple of hours but had to ditch it again after those infinite centipede encounters, would love to see this system used in a game designed around it.

You’re barely out of the tutorial man. Just beeline to ch 2 if it’s that annoying for you. You’ve gotten sidetracked on trivial shit and missed 95% of the game*.

That’s on you not the game.

* - for starters it’s not an exploration game at all. Most of the best ever itemization comes from your artisans.

 

[Desiderius]

You don’t go back to your kingdom all the time if you rarely leave. It’s not an open world game. You’re supposed to be ruling your kingdom. Every expedition you lead away from your capital will tangibly cost you in terms of effective rule, which is as it should be.

Played properly the ruling part goes fast as well. You rank up five or six times, collect three or four quests in the same area, knock them out in one trip, then return. You’re not all the time worrying that you’re missing some trigger or whatever because you’re there and because you’re getting everything ranked up fast you get your Teleporters and Aviaries up by ch 4 where you really need them.

Likewise the artisan system motivates a great deal of what you’re doing while giving you the tools to achieve it.

When you say “traveling around chasing +2 belts” you’re saying nothing more than “I suck at this game because I was playing some game in my head instead of P:K.”

 

[Desiderius]

Of course I’m serious fucktard. You’re like someone saying BG sux because grinding Ankheg shells is tedious.

Git gud, dipshit.

 

[Desiderius]

say the Cult of the Unseeing Eye quest, Firkraag or Umar.

Those are BG2 quests...

I believe that only the people who think that D&D should be dungeons & kobolds prefer BG1 over 2...

I liked them both. BG was groundbreaking atmospherically. It is better than P:K as is.

 

[AdamReith]

Or, you know, play a game I enjoy.

Twat.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah, I have a feeling if they really embraced the sandbox nature of it and spent the time on those horrible companions on making the world more reactive to the player instead it would have been something really special.

The kingdom management seems irredeemable to me though. Oh great, I have 11 loyalty. Wow. Something like number of loyal swords, tax collectors and forts or really anything else would have been more fun.

You... never even bothered to figure out why any of it mattered. You never even discovered any of the itemization, did you.

You phaggots all fell for a release day meme.