KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

No such bonus exists in Pathfinder. When you polymorph, you get a size bonus, not a 'polymorph' bonus. This shit is fucking broken.

I get both. For example, if I transform into a big honking dragon I get both a size bonus (since the shape is a different size)and a polymorph bonus (since the shape gives me bonuses to my stats).

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

 

[Incendax]

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

 

[Shadenuat]

Anyone knows how to get best artisan stuff btw? I think I got invitation from poe parody lore dumping chick but that is it. I ignored her since nobody in my party uses exotic stuff.

law armor? did whole quest chain, never got it
super pwn hammer? same

 

[Luckmann]

Also what the fuck is a 'polymorph' bonus? All you should get is a size bonus...

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

I rate these posts (autism).

 

[Yosharian]

Also what the fuck is a 'polymorph' bonus? All you should get is a size bonus...

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

I rate these posts (autism).

Hmmm......

 

[Yosharian]

Anyway, what happened to that big patch that was supposed to drop on the 22nd?

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

guys 1.011b patch on gog.

Not a "BIG" patch its only 250 mb ish.

What does it break? Can i safely play chapter 2 now?

 

[fantadomat]

what about advisors? Which are the best ones for the different positions?

All are the same more or less,you just have to keep the one you choose because they get upgraded. Also companions have better scores because they get level ups and the item buffs count. I don't know which stat goes for which position tho. Amiri is pretty good as a mil leader,i was surprised,you would think that it was written by different guy.

I believe the stats are
Regent - Charisma
General - Str
Warden - Con
Treasurer - Int
High Priest - Wis
Councillor - Wis
Grand Diplomat - Cha
Magister - Int
Curator - Cha
Spymaster - Dex
(In the PnP version there were always 2 potential stats for each position that you could choose from, like Regent was Int or Cha)

I love how STR (or other physical stats) is taken into account. Imagine that in the real world, You take the biggest, strongest guy for your general... who also happens to be the dumbest but he has the highest STR, right? That would certainly end well.
In before anyone taking my post too serious, I don't mind this. It's not a simulation. I just find it funny.

It is funny, and your two party options for general are the two most Chaotic "let's kill shit" fuckheads, Amiri and Regongar
In the PnP campaign, the General could either be Str-based or Cha-based.

Yeah, the choices for general really threw me off, because it makes no fucking sense at all. Yes, they can both fight, but more importantly, they're both fucking retarded. They should be court assassins, personal blunt objects, not fucking generals. They show absolutely zero leadership skills.

Valerie or Harrim or fucking Tristian make more convincing generals.

Yeah, I could see either of them having a solid grasp of tactics, especially Amiri, and being a competent sergeant or something, but not so much a general responsible for overall strategy.
Then again, Maegar Varn being a Treasurer doesn't make that much sense either - he would make more sense as a General.

Are they responsible for strategy, though? They are more like warlords whose 'soldiers' beat up thugs, collect taxes, and make scary faces if Irovetti's minions get too close to the borders. Both Amiri and Regongar are strong-willed, ruthless, and ferocious warriors that would easily lead some small to moderate warband like around 400 AD. While a barbarian warrior queen is on the more exotic side of things (still, not unprecedented), a psychotic butcher like regongar is almost an archetypal general circa the fall of western roman empire (and not the worst case--by far). Narratively, if we disregard the whole murderhobo slaughter-fest in which even Linzi and Tristian make thick red paste of hordes of bandits, they are the most fit to command whatever militia bumfuck backwoods like Stolen Lands could produce.

I agree,most of the real world generals weren't some 25 INT dudes. They were mainly strong guys with high constitution and normal intellect. Battle experience is a lot more important than fucking intellect. tactics are born trough long live experience. Do you think that The Scourge of God or Temujin had 25 int?! Those dudes were killing and raping people since the age of 8. Int is just another modern day bullshit born from games and popular culture.

I think Attilla and Genghis probably had sky-high Cha, though (especially Genghis - there is a reason the Khans fell apart after he died). On the other hand, you only have so many party members with good Charisma scores, and Regongar is the only one with a "warlord" personality. Amiri's Cha is only average but she does have the personality for it.
It also makes sense that Kassil is a more civilized option, because he's an extension of Brevoy, like a Roman general sent to a backwater posting to civilize the region.

Those guys were butchering whole cites,the fuck?! Their rule was because pure might and fear,both of them were brutal and great warriors on top.Sure,both of them were charismatic with their own people,but that is characterising of most great generals,one must inspire loyalty in his soldiers. Still their success was mainly because of their strength and brutality.

 

[Eyestabber]

Is the game playable now? Why is it at 67% on steam? Review bombing due to bugs or is it the game really "meh"?

 

[Lawntoilet]

what about advisors? Which are the best ones for the different positions?

All are the same more or less,you just have to keep the one you choose because they get upgraded. Also companions have better scores because they get level ups and the item buffs count. I don't know which stat goes for which position tho. Amiri is pretty good as a mil leader,i was surprised,you would think that it was written by different guy.

I believe the stats are
Regent - Charisma
General - Str
Warden - Con
Treasurer - Int
High Priest - Wis
Councillor - Wis
Grand Diplomat - Cha
Magister - Int
Curator - Cha
Spymaster - Dex
(In the PnP version there were always 2 potential stats for each position that you could choose from, like Regent was Int or Cha)

I love how STR (or other physical stats) is taken into account. Imagine that in the real world, You take the biggest, strongest guy for your general... who also happens to be the dumbest but he has the highest STR, right? That would certainly end well.
In before anyone taking my post too serious, I don't mind this. It's not a simulation. I just find it funny.

It is funny, and your two party options for general are the two most Chaotic "let's kill shit" fuckheads, Amiri and Regongar
In the PnP campaign, the General could either be Str-based or Cha-based.

Yeah, the choices for general really threw me off, because it makes no fucking sense at all. Yes, they can both fight, but more importantly, they're both fucking retarded. They should be court assassins, personal blunt objects, not fucking generals. They show absolutely zero leadership skills.

Valerie or Harrim or fucking Tristian make more convincing generals.

Yeah, I could see either of them having a solid grasp of tactics, especially Amiri, and being a competent sergeant or something, but not so much a general responsible for overall strategy.
Then again, Maegar Varn being a Treasurer doesn't make that much sense either - he would make more sense as a General.

Are they responsible for strategy, though? They are more like warlords whose 'soldiers' beat up thugs, collect taxes, and make scary faces if Irovetti's minions get too close to the borders. Both Amiri and Regongar are strong-willed, ruthless, and ferocious warriors that would easily lead some small to moderate warband like around 400 AD. While a barbarian warrior queen is on the more exotic side of things (still, not unprecedented), a psychotic butcher like regongar is almost an archetypal general circa the fall of western roman empire (and not the worst case--by far). Narratively, if we disregard the whole murderhobo slaughter-fest in which even Linzi and Tristian make thick red paste of hordes of bandits, they are the most fit to command whatever militia bumfuck backwoods like Stolen Lands could produce.

I agree,most of the real world generals weren't some 25 INT dudes. They were mainly strong guys with high constitution and normal intellect. Battle experience is a lot more important than fucking intellect. tactics are born trough long live experience. Do you think that The Scourge of God or Temujin had 25 int?! Those dudes were killing and raping people since the age of 8. Int is just another modern day bullshit born from games and popular culture.

I think Attilla and Genghis probably had sky-high Cha, though (especially Genghis - there is a reason the Khans fell apart after he died). On the other hand, you only have so many party members with good Charisma scores, and Regongar is the only one with a "warlord" personality. Amiri's Cha is only average but she does have the personality for it.
It also makes sense that Kassil is a more civilized option, because he's an extension of Brevoy, like a Roman general sent to a backwater posting to civilize the region.

Those guys were butchering whole cites,the fuck?! Their rule was because pure might and fear,both of them were brutal and great warriors on top.Sure,both of them were charismatic with their own people,but that is characterising of most great generals,one must inspire loyalty in his soldiers. Still their success was mainly because of their strength and brutality.

But it wasn't specifically because of the individual physical strength of the general, but their strength of character - ie. Charisma.

 

[Luckmann]

Also what the fuck is a 'polymorph' bonus? All you should get is a size bonus...

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

I rate these posts (autism).

Hmmm......

Spoiler

The joke here is that when someone writes out their ratings, they are doing so because they cannot rate something as the thing they wrote out. And now that I've had to explain that, the joke is ruined. Good job.

 

[Incendax]

Is the game playable now? Why is it at 67% on steam? Review bombing due to bugs or is it the game really "meh"?

Early game is playable. Game is very good, but also full of bugs. Most of those bugs have been cleaned out of the early chapters, so those are safe to play.

It's a work in progress. Someday it will be excellent. :D

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Can I romance multiple chicks? Or what happens if I try?

 

[Eyestabber]

Can I romance multiple chicks?

Yes.

Or what happens if I try?

You get #metoo'ed and accused of rape.

 

[Yosharian]

Also what the fuck is a 'polymorph' bonus? All you should get is a size bonus...

I'm telling you that there is no such fucking bonus in Pathfinder, you're only supposed to get a Size bonus. Just look at the 'bonus' section on 'Common Terms' on the D20PFSRD. There's no such thing as a 'polymorph bonus'.

I rate these posts (autism).

Hmmm......

Spoiler

The joke here is that when someone writes out their ratings, they are doing so because they cannot rate something as the thing they wrote out. And now that I've had to explain that, the joke is ruined. Good job.

Why would you be unable to rate them autism but able to rate them shit?

 

[sser]

Bros I got like thirty minutes into this game and it already has me excited. Of course, I also got 0.1s in and already ran into a bug: the character I spent 30mins making looks nothing like the one in-game. The one in-game is like a generic dude you get from the initial char setup

 

[rusty_shackleford]

At least first part.

 

[Sacred82]

why are people attacking the writer and not the NPC?

#notmyCursor

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Bros I got like thirty minutes into this game and it already has me excited. Of course, I also got 0.1s in and already ran into a bug: the character I spent 30mins making looks nothing like the one in-game. The one in-game is like a generic dude you get from the initial char setup

That’s clearly a feature: game is punishing you for spending only thirty minutes in character creation.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Bros I got like thirty minutes into this game and it already has me excited. Of course, I also got 0.1s in and already ran into a bug: the character I spent 30mins making looks nothing like the one in-game. The one in-game is like a generic dude you get from the initial char setup

Make sure to recheck the character look before hitting done button it resets sometimes. As to generals best ones were ruthless to enemies and loved by their people like Caesar or Rokossovski so high CHA+WIS. Caesar for example made tactical blunders like in Gorgovia but had will to outlast his enemies. He also killed one million of Gauls and sold another one to slavery out from 6-7 million population and was loved by his soldiers and common Romans. While Amiri has no charisma at all Rag has them both. I went with Kasil though cause I build civilized Knazestvo so kill every bandit and beast I can find and keep people content and safe. Game would be really more fun if when playing as barbarian you got tribe or horde to lead, as warrior barony, as paladin knight order etc...

 

[Commissar Draco]

What about elfs using melee weapons? Or halflings/gnomes?

Why would any human fighter win any close combat against physically superior races like orcs/ogres?

Why would anyone use swords in the first place when you can mass fireball your opposition into dust, though. Cloudkill is basically chemical weaponry, while druids are ecoterrorists with access to advanced biological agents.

Asking for realism in fantasy games is like asking for balance in combat. Once you achieve it, you might find that playing such a game is actually not fun. (insert obligatory Pillars reference)

How many of population has INT score to become wizard competent to cast 5 level spell like fireball? Not to mention training one of them takes many years and cost much gold? I doubt bum fuck nowhere barony like in Kingmaker could effort to have one if not plot reasons.

 

[hell bovine]

What about elfs using melee weapons? Or halflings/gnomes?

Why would any human fighter win any close combat against physically superior races like orcs/ogres?

Why would anyone use swords in the first place when you can mass fireball your opposition into dust, though. Cloudkill is basically chemical weaponry, while druids are ecoterrorists with access to advanced biological agents.

Asking for realism in fantasy games is like asking for balance in combat. Once you achieve it, you might find that playing such a game is actually not fun. (insert obligatory Pillars reference)

How many of population has INT score to become wizard competent to cast 5 level spell like fireball? Not to mention training one of them takes many years and cost much gold? I doubt bum fuck nowhere barony like in Kingmaker could effort to have one if not plot reasons.

And how many of the population has high enough strenght to make an effective fighter, that could take on the fantasy races with far superior scores? It's not just human vs human, when an owlbear could eat half of your village barony for breakfast.

Frankly, if you'd have realism in a fantasy setting, then humanity would become extinct, because apex predators in the fantasy settings are not only stronger, but also more wise and/or intelligent. Just look how much wisdom a worg has in this game. Does it actually act like it, though? Not really; that is the "no realism" part.

You don't have have to fend off a smilodon with a sword in real life, because intelligence does trump strenght given enough time. That is why humanity is now hunting all the stronger species into extinction, and not the other way around. (where are the heroic owlbears when you need them...)

 

[Shadenuat]

Shadenaut, how to deal with ancient soul eaters? Lvl 11 party. Plx halp.

Read steam, we should all be so past this

Banish or Dismissal/Crusader's Edge/Summon Undead/Jaethal/Anything against Evil Outsiders/They're demons (living creatures) so - any Enchant/Illustion CC/Haste + Kite them

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

And how many of the population has high enough strenght to make an effective fighter, that could take on the fantasy races with far superior scores? It's not just human vs human, when an owlbear could eat half of your village barony for breakfast.

Frankly, if you'd have realism in a fantasy setting, then humanity would become extinct, because apex predators in the fantasy settings are not only stronger, but also more wise and/or intelligent. Just look how much wisdom a worg has in this game. Does it actually act like it, though? Not really; that is the "no realism" part.

You don't have have to fend off a smilodon with a sword in real life, because intelligence does trump strenght given enough time. That is why humanity is now hunting all the stronger species into extinction, and not the other way around. (where are the heroic owlbears when you need them...)

Fuck man, you give our ancestors too little credit. We used to hunt megafauna with nothing more than teamwork and pointy sticks.

Pretty sure when animals have wisdom in RPGs it’s acting as a stand-in for instinct.

 

[Cael]

Wisdom governs Spot, Listen, Sense Motive and everything that has to do with the senses. A negative Wisdom modifier means that your average dog has a hearing and eyesight that is worse than an average human, which poses several logic problems.

Not to mention that compared to humans, common sense is far more prevalent in the rest of the animal kingdom. Darwin Awards are given out for a reason.