KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Theldaran]

Could be worse. Could be the perennial Paladin player from another group of mine, whom I have spoken about here before. That one would have given your group conniptions.

I like to hear these fireside stories. I'll search for it if I can.

About the Conan story... ugh, Robert Jordan... I despise his annoying women characters. He's not a great writer overall IMO.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I have to say that the story got very interesting after you get rid of the Stag Lord. Finally, a good hook to continue!

First act is way more boring than the second.

 

[Elex]

https://steamspy.com/app/640820 so this gae has 15k peak players on release, is that good or bad? I don't know any of the concurrent player numbers off the top of my head but my impression is that's not bad

It flopped.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight... if that's a flop then what's this?

The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep ( https://steamspy.com/app/566090 )
Peak concurrent players yesterday: 864

Also, Fallout 2 has an overall recent score on Steam of 84% from 45 reviews in the last 30 days.
The Age of the Cuck is upon us!

Looks like the infallible scientific method of measuring peak steam players has determined that gloriously Pathfinder Kingmaker is 15 times as successful as Bard's Tale the case is closed

I'm not really surprised though.

I'm really super surprised, Bard's Tale 4 had like actual marketing, the Russians at Owlcat had literally only a license to an incredibly popular D&D property, I would have easily believed Bard's Tale had the bigger draw in the community and the marketing sold games to folk dumb enough to preorder

still no review on metacritics

 

[Irxy]

Oh, so i looked it up the question i posed on the last page and it's "Nok-Nok" that MCA wrote. Not to presume that you folks don't already know, but there it is for anyone else who's curious

Now we know where all the budget for playtesting went.

 

[you know what time it is]

Aight had a first gamebreaking bug, at the very end of the Season of Bloom.

Spoiler

Burned flower, but quest remains active, specifically the part about capital, which I cleared first (before going into the womb) and just checked it's fully functional again, but I can't advance the plot anymore

 

[hexer]

still no review on metacritics

I work in marketing but this is more or less obvious..
usually those with good journalist connections or those who pay good money get reviewed fast.

Just makes you realize how everything is fake nowadays.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I've been searching for custom portraits and let me tell you, there's a lot of retarded art for Pathfinder. The art direction they chose for this game blows the regular Paizo art out of the water.

What kind of character concept do you have? I have a pretty big library of fantasy art that can potentially work for portraits, maybe I can find you something good.

Give me all your barbarians

Most images are pretty big, so here is a link to the album: https://imgur.com/a/2oQNQBa

Not too much variety when it comes to barbarians, mostly Conan stuff. There are a few female barbarians as well.

Now go and become king by your own hand!

 

[Serus]

Conan doesn't strike me as a Barbarian really, let alone a Thief/Rogue. I mean this is only going by the movies, I'm not familiar with any of the other material, but... Just because Arnie sometimes puts on a bit of paint and mostly wears medieval porn star outfits light armor doesn't make him a Barbarian. He never really rages at all, he makes those stupid Arnie sounds but he doesn't actually go into a rage.

He also uses a wide variety of weapons, uses strategy sometimes such as the fight against those guys on horseback, he goes for trips and stuff, he uses shields sometimes.

He strikes me as a typical Fighter more than anything else. Meh, I could be wrong.

First, go read the books. They're great fun.
Second, Howard's original Conan isn't really that much similar to the Arnie's movies Conan.
Third in Howard short stories, he does "multiclass" a lot. From a "pure" barbarian, to thief, to a pirate, to a mounted warrior (with some archery thrown in), to a chieftain, a leader of infantry, to a commander commanding from the back row until the last moment, to a heavy armour horseman and a king leading his knights' charge into enemy ranks.

Yes we need new class in DnD the Chad aka Ubermensh, as to books sure read them all but only those penned by Howard are good. Seriously heard so much good about the game now I am I did not backed it even with all added cuckoldry and bugs (its Slav made after all) its seems we finally have NWN replacement, cant wait for toolset and user made modules.

Will it have a toolset though? I wasn't following, what are the devs saying about it?

 

[Cael]

He did a bit of thieving and later, when he was defeated by someone (who humiliated him by telling him the reason he lost was because he had no discipline) he became more disciplined and learned to fight that way (i.e., he took Fighter levels).

Whoa there, which one was this?

I can't remember off the top of my head. One of the paperbacks, I think.

You can't because it doesn't exist. At least not in any of the 17 short stories +1 novel published by R. E. Howard. I've reread them not long time ago so I'm pretty confident saying it. It might be in one of those "Conan" books made by other authors though.

It wasn't. It was a Robert Jordan one, unless I miss my guess.

Well, I once have read a "Conan" book by some random schmuck (I forgot the name) where Conan was acting "respectful" (in modern sense, almost like a modern cuck - I'm not kidding You) towards women. That's why when talking about Conan you need to specify if you are talking about Howard's Conan, Arnie's Conan or Conan from various other sources. They're not really the same character, except for the name. Sometimes not even close.

Conan always had a thing for women, and would save them over grabbing treasure if given the choice. He doesn't cuck himself, though. Jordan's Conan is pretty close to the original, in my opinion. Very 60s/70s uber-mensh and not above putting a woman in her place with a cutting remark if the situation warrants it.

 

[bataille]

Anyone rolled a druid? not sure which animal companion to take.

I'm probably late to the party with my answer (as per usual), but get anything with TACKLE. Having a passive disabler on its basic attack is a godsend. Getting rid of all those +12 AC (DEX BONUS) is just great.

Besides, the animals with tackle are usually kitties and doggies, so they are cute as hell as a considerable bonus!

 

[Cael]

Anyone rolled a druid? not sure which animal companion to take.

I'm probably late to the party with my answer (as per usual), but get anything with TACKLE. Having a passive disabler on its basic attack is a godsend. Getting rid of all those +12 AC (DEX BONUS) is just great.

Besides, the animals with tackle are usually kitties and doggies, so they are cute as hell as a considerable bonus!

This is probably why they took Grease out of the equation. That is the most potent mass Dex disabler in the game, with nothing being proof against it.

 

[Roguey]

Believe me, this is on a different tier than other modern RTwP games. If the quality I'm seeing keeps up, this is Top 10 RPG Codex material.

I'm skeptical since the impressions make this come across as a less-clunky Storm of Zehir with kingdom-building instead of business-building.

 

[serch]

Artificial difficulty by bloating enemies' stats is pretty fucking cheap. Change the encounters composition, goddamit

 

[Drudkh]

Any multi-class ideas for Harrim? Or is he better off just staying full Cleric?

 

[Cael]

Artificial difficulty by bloating enemies' stats is pretty fucking cheap. Change the encounters composition, goddamit

Meh. Effort...

 

[Serus]

He did a bit of thieving and later, when he was defeated by someone (who humiliated him by telling him the reason he lost was because he had no discipline) he became more disciplined and learned to fight that way (i.e., he took Fighter levels).

Whoa there, which one was this?

I can't remember off the top of my head. One of the paperbacks, I think.

You can't because it doesn't exist. At least not in any of the 17 short stories +1 novel published by R. E. Howard. I've reread them not long time ago so I'm pretty confident saying it. It might be in one of those "Conan" books made by other authors though.

It wasn't. It was a Robert Jordan one, unless I miss my guess.

Well, I once have read a "Conan" book by some random schmuck (I forgot the name) where Conan was acting "respectful" (in modern sense, almost like a modern cuck - I'm not kidding You) towards women. That's why when talking about Conan you need to specify if you are talking about Howard's Conan, Arnie's Conan or Conan from various other sources. They're not really the same character, except for the name. Sometimes not even close.

Conan always had a thing for women, and would save them over grabbing treasure if given the choice. He doesn't cuck himself, though. Jordan's Conan is pretty close to the original, in my opinion. Very 60s/70s uber-mensh and not above putting a woman in her place with a cutting remark if the situation warrants it.

I was not talking about "saving" (to fuck them later) and generally not wanting to hurt women which was part of Conan's personal code but about being "respectful" in modern sense. Which, for the record, Howard's Conan never was. And I have hard time believing Robert Jordan would be capable of grasping that difference. Assuming it's the same Robert Jordan of "Wheel of Time" fame. But then I might be incorrect of curse, maybe he was a good author enough to write differently for different books. Still the mentality of Howard who wrote in the 1920s and 1930s is very different from an author writing in the 1980s and there is no way they can write the same character in the same way in my opinion.

 

[ArchAngel]

That annoying little pile of tumbler journo shit!
I really dislike that i can't just throw him in a pit with centipedes!

I don't know, he sounds like an average Codexer :D

 

[jf8350143]

Take down the boss, get out of dungeon, get surrounded by bunch of kobolds, get to choose attack them or let them leave.

Look at my team: 0 spells or ki points and barely any healing potion left, around 20 health total for 6 characters.

"You know what, since Im such a nice person, you can leave in peace today, just don't assault my people anymore."

 

[Theldaran]

He did a bit of thieving and later, when he was defeated by someone (who humiliated him by telling him the reason he lost was because he had no discipline) he became more disciplined and learned to fight that way (i.e., he took Fighter levels).

Whoa there, which one was this?

I can't remember off the top of my head. One of the paperbacks, I think.

You can't because it doesn't exist. At least not in any of the 17 short stories +1 novel published by R. E. Howard. I've reread them not long time ago so I'm pretty confident saying it. It might be in one of those "Conan" books made by other authors though.

It wasn't. It was a Robert Jordan one, unless I miss my guess.

Well, I once have read a "Conan" book by some random schmuck (I forgot the name) where Conan was acting "respectful" (in modern sense, almost like a modern cuck - I'm not kidding You) towards women. That's why when talking about Conan you need to specify if you are talking about Howard's Conan, Arnie's Conan or Conan from various other sources. They're not really the same character, except for the name. Sometimes not even close.

Conan always had a thing for women, and would save them over grabbing treasure if given the choice. He doesn't cuck himself, though. Jordan's Conan is pretty close to the original, in my opinion. Very 60s/70s uber-mensh and not above putting a woman in her place with a cutting remark if the situation warrants it.

I was not talking about "saving" (to fuck them later) and generally not wanting to hurt women which was part of Conan's personal code but about being "respectful" in modern sense. Which, for the record, Howard's Conan never was. And I have hard time believing Robert Jordan would be capable of grasping that difference. Assuming it's the same Robert Jordan of "Wheel of Time" fame. But then I might be incorrect of curse, maybe he was a good author enough to write differently for different books. Still the mentality of Howard who wrote in the 1920s and 1930s is very different from an author writing in the 1980s and there is no way they can write the same character in the same way in my opinion.

I dunno, if anything Jordan can be accused of portraying women as foolish or even retarded, as far as WOT goes, but that might reveal a sexist streak in him. If he leaned to SJW he'd portray women as domineering, superior and flawless.

 

[Sentinel]

Artificial difficulty by bloating enemies' stats is pretty fucking cheap. Change the encounters composition, goddamit

no need, just revert the stats to core rules like they should be. why the fuck do humans have as much AC as a fucking tarrasque

 

[Efe]

nobody knows where to raise dead besides scrolls? (besides Ruchy who disagreed with question in a wonderous show of mental capacity)
everyone here is save scumming?

 

[fantadomat]

Here is a small dragon for Xeon

 

[Theldaran]

"Ancient Wyvern"... *gulp*

 

[fantadomat]

That annoying little pile of tumbler journo shit!
I really dislike that i can't just throw him in a pit with centipedes!

I don't know, he sounds like an average Codexer :D

No! Even the worst of codex slimes are butterflies compared to him,even Roqua is better than this.....journo.

 

[Serus]

He did a bit of thieving and later, when he was defeated by someone (who humiliated him by telling him the reason he lost was because he had no discipline) he became more disciplined and learned to fight that way (i.e., he took Fighter levels).

Whoa there, which one was this?

I can't remember off the top of my head. One of the paperbacks, I think.

You can't because it doesn't exist. At least not in any of the 17 short stories +1 novel published by R. E. Howard. I've reread them not long time ago so I'm pretty confident saying it. It might be in one of those "Conan" books made by other authors though.

It wasn't. It was a Robert Jordan one, unless I miss my guess.

Well, I once have read a "Conan" book by some random schmuck (I forgot the name) where Conan was acting "respectful" (in modern sense, almost like a modern cuck - I'm not kidding You) towards women. That's why when talking about Conan you need to specify if you are talking about Howard's Conan, Arnie's Conan or Conan from various other sources. They're not really the same character, except for the name. Sometimes not even close.

Conan always had a thing for women, and would save them over grabbing treasure if given the choice. He doesn't cuck himself, though. Jordan's Conan is pretty close to the original, in my opinion. Very 60s/70s uber-mensh and not above putting a woman in her place with a cutting remark if the situation warrants it.

I was not talking about "saving" (to fuck them later) and generally not wanting to hurt women which was part of Conan's personal code but about being "respectful" in modern sense. Which, for the record, Howard's Conan never was. And I have hard time believing Robert Jordan would be capable of grasping that difference. Assuming it's the same Robert Jordan of "Wheel of Time" fame. But then I might be incorrect of curse, maybe he was a good author enough to write differently for different books. Still the mentality of Howard who wrote in the 1920s and 1930s is very different from an author writing in the 1980s and there is no way they can write the same character in the same way in my opinion.

I dunno, if anything Jordan can be accused of portraying women as foolish or even retarded, as far as WOT goes, but that might reveal a sexist streak in him. If he leaned to SJW he'd portray women as domineering, superior and flawless.

"Superior" and certainly "domineering" is how I would describe women in Wheel of Time though. However my point wasn't that Robert Jordan was an SJW - because he wasn't (he couldn't even be if he wanted to, he lived in wrong historical period) but that his portrayal of Conan cannot be possibly the same as that of Howard's. That his Conan cannot be the same character as the original one because an author writing in the 1980s cannot possibly have the same sensibilities as an author writing in the 1930s. It's half a century apart and a very different culture that evolved in that period.