Pathfinder: Kingmaker sales and the single-player real-time-with-pause ceiling

[amurath]

According to Steamspy, Kingmaker sold ~700K copies on Steam. I guessing with GOG, the total is 750-800K. I bet it'll hit 1+ million in a few years with new sales, especially if/when they release the console edition. https://steamspy.com/dev/Owlcat+Games

 

[AwesomeButton]

As with Deadfire, I consider the absense of bragging about hitting one million as a certain sign that they haven't hit it yet.

 

[Roguey]

Oh, sure, Kingmaker may very well have a longer tail than both Deadfire and Tyranny (and I hope it does; anything that puts Obsidian out of business is all right with me), but I doubt we're ever going to see Divinity: Original Sin II or even Pillars of Eternity levels of success from any near-future rtwp RPG without some big changes.

I don't even remember making this thread, but it looks like this is correct.

One can say Swen did the safest thing by making BG3 turn-based.

 

[Desiderius]

Oh, sure, Kingmaker may very well have a longer tail than both Deadfire and Tyranny (and I hope it does; anything that puts Obsidian out of business is all right with me), but I doubt we're ever going to see Divinity: Original Sin II or even Pillars of Eternity levels of success from any near-future rtwp RPG without some big changes.

I don't even remember making this thread, but it looks like this is correct.

One can say Swen did the safest thing by making BG3 turn-based.

Depends on the modding. Game is a great mod away from cult status. TB mod was the first step to keep all the Amish Luddite Geezer TBtards from running to their mommies.

 

[Desiderius]

RTwP in P:K plays like TB + simultaneous action/moving targets with the extensive autopause customization, which is best of both worlds.

 

[vortex]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

 

[Volrath]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

It would be a complete shitshow.

 

[NJClaw]

RTwP in P:K plays like TB + simultaneous action/moving targets with the extensive autopause customization, which is best of both worlds.

Yeah, but no. Thank you anyway for the effort.

 

[Ninjerk]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

Who is allowed to pause and how often?

 

[NJClaw]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

Who is allowed to pause and how often?

Nobody is allowed to pause. The only rightful meaning of RTWP is "Real Time, Without Pause".

 

[Roguey]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

They had this; according to Sawyer, hardly anyone played co-op.

 

[Pink Eye]

I think that BG3 with RTWP and co-op, mutiplayer thing would be as successful as TB.

They had this; according to Sawyer, hardly anyone played co-op.

Who had what? Baldur's Gate 2 had multiplayer, and it was fine back in the day.

 

[Roguey]

Who had what? Baldur's Gate 2 had multiplayer, and it was fine back in the day.

Sure, but apparently they shouldn't have bothered since most people played it single-player (according to Josh).

NWN did fine with multiplayer, though it's a different thing (single character control).

 

[Desiderius]

RTwP in P:K plays like TB + simultaneous action/moving targets with the extensive autopause customization, which is best of both worlds.

Yeah, but no. Thank you anyway for the effort.

If you want to play turn-based, just get your grandkids together and play PnP like Judi Densch does after Vin Diesel taught her to play D&D. Leave the cRPGs to the RT people who need them.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Leave the cRPGs to the RT people who need them.

You mean cRPG as a mean to ease ReTarded people lives ?

How nice of you ... Oh, wait, you're one of them, aren't you ?

 

[vortex]

How nice of you ... Oh, wait, you're one of them!

MeToo.

 

[Desiderius]

Leave the cRPGs to the RT people who need them.

You mean cRPG as a mean to ease ReTarded people lives ?

How nice of you ... Oh, wait, you're one of them, aren't you ?

Nope, just people who take advantage of the enhanced realism and challenge technology affords rather than living as Amish Luddite Backwards Stick-in-the-Mud Geezer Obsolete Defunct Outdated Nostalgic Rip Van Winkles.

 

[NJClaw]

Leave the cRPGs to the RT people who need them.

You mean cRPG as a mean to ease ReTarded people lives ?

How nice of you ... Oh, wait, you're one of them, aren't you ?

Nope, just people who take advantage of the enhanced realism and challenge technology affords rather than living as Amish Luddite Backwards Stick-in-the-Mud Geezer Obsolete Defunct Outdated Nostalgic Rip Van Winkles.

Enhanced realism. You are trying really hard to make me laugh to death, right?

Also, "challenge", what the actual fuck. Buy a gun and shoot some pigeons if you want to test your aim. That's like 1% of the difficulty of games like these, who fucking cares, it's completely irrelevant. It's not like you can breeze through the game without leveling once if you are Clint Eastwood.

And this was about sales, nothing else, give us a break from your "TB is for Amish Luddite Babbly Bobbly Bubbly Bibbly" just for once, please.

 

[Jrpgfan]

By the way, Wrath of the Righteous KS surpassed DOS2's(by little, but even getting there is already quite the achievement), so the assumption that we'll never see DOS2 level of success in the near future may very well be proved wrong(or has already been depending on how you look at it).

 

[Desiderius]

Enhanced realism. You are trying really hard to make me laugh to death, right?

Also, "challenge", what the actual fuck. Buy a gun and shoot some pigeons if you want to test your aim. That's like 1% of the difficulty of games like these, who fucking cares, it's completely irrelevant. It's not like you can breeze through the game without leveling once if you are Clint Eastwood.

And this was about sales, nothing else, give us a break from your "TB is for Amish Luddite Babbly Bobbly Bubbly Bibbly" just for once, please.

It's a joke, Fucktard.

On the other hand, reality doesn't care what you want. The phenomenon combat systems seek to emulate does not include mobs standing still while you run up and hit them. It's just profoundly immersion breaking.

Playing in a permanent field of Time Stop is in fact easier than not playing in a field of permanent Time Stop. That's why it's a Ninth Level spell. Alternatively one can employ the "whine to the devs because I'm too lazy to get a PnP group together" cantrip evidently. Don't blame us for pointing out your absurdity when it costs us the games we love. If games go all RTwP you still have PnP. We don't have anything if you turn all cRPGs into glorified PnP simulators.

 

[Pink Eye]

By the way, Wrath of the Righteous KS surpassed DOS2's(by little, but even getting there is already quite the achievement), so the assumption that we'll never see DOS2 level of success in the near future may very well be proved wrong(or has already been depending on how you look at it).

Yeah that blew me away. Hopefully that means Wrath will be a bigger and better game than Kingmaker.

 

[NJClaw]

Enhanced realism. You are trying really hard to make me laugh to death, right?

Also, "challenge", what the actual fuck. Buy a gun and shoot some pigeons if you want to test your aim. That's like 1% of the difficulty of games like these, who fucking cares, it's completely irrelevant. It's not like you can breeze through the game without leveling once if you are Clint Eastwood.

And this was about sales, nothing else, give us a break from your "TB is for Amish Luddite Babbly Bobbly Bubbly Bibbly" just for once, please.

It's a joke, Fucktard.

On the other hand, reality doesn't care what you want. The phenomenon combat systems seek to emulate does not include mobs standing still while you run up and hit them. It's just profoundly immersion breaking.

Playing in a permanent field of Time Stop is in fact easier than not playing in a field of permanent Time Stop. That's why it's a Ninth Level spell. Alternatively one can employ the "whine to the devs because I'm too lazy to get a PnP group together" cantrip evidently. Don't blame us for pointing out your absurdity when it costs us the games we love. If games go all RTwP you still have PnP. We don't have anything if you turn all cRPGs into glorified PnP simulators.

Seek help

 

[Desiderius]

Seek help

Surrender accepted. Thanks for fucking up BG3, PnPers.

 

[Nortar]

If games go all RTwP you still have PnP. We don't have anything if you turn all cRPGs into glorified PnP simulators.

By your logic you should just go full out LARPing and enjoy your full immersion RT autism.

 

[Desiderius]

If games go all RTwP you still have PnP. We don't have anything if you turn all cRPGs into glorified PnP simulators.

By your logic you should just go full out LARPing and enjoy your full immersion RT autism.

Full immersion = moving targets. Interesting concept. I guess if that's all the devs can come up with it will have to do. I have more confidence in them than that.