Pathfinder: Kingmaker's combat is more of a clusterfuck than Deadfire's

[Safav Hamon]

Codex: Pillars of Eternity is such a clusterfuck

Also the codex: Nothing wrong here

 

[Sentinel]

great disingenuous screenshot

 

[Safav Hamon]

What's disingenious about it? RTwP is a clusterfuck and turn-based isn't.

 

[Sensuki]

RTwP is a clusterfuck and turn-based isn't.

I don't think this is the case, it's more of a visual and UI style issue. Of the two presented games, the art/3D direction wants the units to meld into the environment with effects, lighting, post-processing, and the system/UI guys want to use overhead tooltips to try and explain whats going on in combat, but those are at odds with combat readability.

 

[TT1]

What's disingenious about it? RTwP is a clusterfuck and turn-based isn't.

Yeah, sure

 

[Safav Hamon]

I've played dozens of intense RTS games, but the only game to ever give me motion sickness from the combat is Kingmaker.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Maybe it's different in motion, but those screens really do look like clusterfucks.

 

[Lacrymas]

The camera is too zoomed in as well. Over the top spell FX (which I despise), text all over the characters (PoE also has health bars over them), too many mobs on screen (why? Just have fewer but tougher mobs), camera being too zoomed in and perhaps everyone doing their thing way too fast is a grade A recipe for clusterfuck.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Maybe it's different in motion, but those screens really do look like clusterfucks.

It's not

 

[fantadomat]

LoL butthurt to the max. Still sour that kingmaker sold better and people are still playing it LoL. What a sad little cunt you are. Also you are just showing a hand picked screenshots to back your agenda. Deadfire was clusterfuck and not only in effects. The fucking combat log is unreadable at best.

 

[filpan]

I dont know about you, I have the immersive option turned on, and it looks like BG, almost. The only thing I see on the screen is Attack of opportunity. I have combat log if I want to know details of the fight. I dont even know how you can play with all that shit turned on on the screen, it looks awful. So ,to me , Kingmaker is the best cRPG since BGII

 

[Cael]

Perhaps there should be a comparison made between ToEE and bugmaker? That would be TB vs RTwP.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Also you are just showing a hand picked screenshots to back your agenda.

Not really

 

[Dodo1610]

I actually liked that about Pathfinder, you are forced to use real strategy and tactics to win. Formations play a huge role in Pathfinder combat which makes long weapons like Spears really useful.
In POE you simply manage health bars while Pathfinder forces you to win battles.

 

[vortex]

Safav, you really need not to have such grudge about rtwp. There are people who like rtwp more than tb.
In rtwp you need to use formations and micromanage whole party at once which gives you great sense of control every moment.
TB has it own tacti-coolness in every turn.

 

[fantadomat]

Kingmaker's combat is all about CC spam and RNG. Everything else takes a backseat.

Thank you for affirming my suspicious that you haven't played the game....as always.

 

[Safav Hamon]

RTwP is objectively garbage. It's a worse version of both RTS games and TB strategy games.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Maybe it's different in motion, but those screens really do look like clusterfucks.

never played kangmaker, but those screens still look 10 times more readable than this:

especially thanks to the non-retarded font choice

 

[jf8350143]

Kingmaker has way too many enemies, its slow mode isn't even near slow enough for you to fully comprehend what's going on in the screen in the late game.

I don't like RTwP, but its fine people like it. However Pathfinder(and DnD for that matter) is a system designed around the idea of turn based, making it into RTwP is just unnecessary and pointless.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Darth Roxor

You can play Deadfire in turn based, whereas Kingmaker only has clusterfuck as an option.

 

[Safav Hamon]

However Pathfinder(and DnD for that matter) is a system designed around the idea of turn based, making it into RTwP is just unnecessary and pointless.

Here's a quote from Kingmaker's lead director defending the decision not to go turn based (PorkyThePaladin)

Turn-based battles are attention hogs. It takes a lot of time to finish one and there are many battles to be fought. Since they take up so much time and attention, these battles have to be different and unique, and that makes the game too combat-oriented for our taste.

 

[Cael]

However Pathfinder(and DnD for that matter) is a system designed around the idea of turn based, making it into RTwP is just unnecessary and pointless.

Here's a quote from Kingmaker's lead director defending the decision not to go turn based (PorkyThePaladin)

Turn-based battles are attention hogs. It takes a lot of time to finish one and there are many battles to be fought. Since they take up so much time and attention, these battles have to be different and unique, and that makes the game too combat-oriented for our taste.

"...there are many battles to be fought..." swiftly followed by "...makes the game too combat-oriented..."

 

[frajaq]

both games are a visual mess, which again proves TB is superior in every way

 

[fantadomat]

both games are a visual mess, which again proves TB is superior in every way

 

[frajaq]

LoL butthurt to the max. Still sour that kingmaker sold better and people are still playing it LoL. What a sad little cunt you are. Also you are just showing a hand picked screenshots to back your agenda. Deadfire was clusterfuck and not only in effects. The fucking combat log is unreadable at best.

literally picking a screenshot of one of the fights where the chaos of the spread of oil and fire is the fucking point

also D:OS 2 sold better than both these games