Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sykar]

Subtlety is not really something that is indicative of quality.

It usually is, actually, because the opposite is "dumbing down to retards' level so that everyone can understand". We have seen this and its horrible effect again and again in many RPGs, for example PoE (as Fenstermaker admitted himself when he came here).

I will leave it at this. Writers know what I am talking about.

There is a difference between blunt and forced down your throat. If there is nothing but subtlety then it becomes a vain exercise in narcissism "look how subtle I can write am I not awzumz?!".

 

[Trashos]

All companions talk too much in the prologue. I am almost certain that this was done in order to explain alignments, and also help the player choose companions at the end of the prologue. (Linzi also has the journal, so even more reasons for her to speak)

And the dlc companion? Why does she talk a lot? To advertise her dlc. Which is what I said from the start.

All this is understandable in terms of functionality, but it does not necessarily lead to enjoyable scenes. Kingmaker does much better later. But I understand why it was done.
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On the issue of subtlety. Each scene has its own rules, and you are either trying to create an awesome scene or trying to explain it. You won't have both.

We won't answer the question of subtlety here, but it is a question that has already been answered. All major (from an artistic viewpoint, not a commercial one) literary and cinematic works ever have a lot of it. This should tell you something.

(In short, the way *I* understand it: subtlety allows for multi-layer meanings, which are cheapened once you try to explain anything without pages and pages of analysis. In addition, subtlety engages the observer's exploratory, intellectual and enjoyment centres of the brain. It is no accident that people have been analyzing Kubrick's or Cervantes' work for decades/centuries. Without subtlety, you do not have any of that.)

 

[Sykar]

Whether the companions talk to much or not is entirely subjective and is a complete non-argument whether the twins were implemented seamlessly or not. The matter of fact is if you had never played the game before and were to play without knowledge a fully kitted out PF:KM you would not know if any of the less prominent characters of the prologue where in the original game or not. As to the twins "advertising" last time I checked they did not appear in the base game, at least the last time I played without the DLC, at all so I fail to see how they "advertise".

 

[Trashos]

She is there in the prologue without the dlc too. You get to know where she is from, that she likes fire, that she likes handsome men, and she wins 2 fights for you.

 

[Yosharian]

She likes handsome men? Wow, what a fucking unique character trait for a woman.

Does she also like eating food and breathing oxygen?

 

[Luckmann]

The additional content in the NWN 1 & 2 games were expansions. They had distinct campaigns with some content (spells/class/abilities) that could be used in (improve) the base game. That's what we want and developers know it.

When they ask about DLCs, they're investigating how close to horse armor they can get without taking flak for it.

I have never liked distinct campaign expansions. I have always been of the opinion that expansions should be seamlessly integrated into the main game.

You want a new campaign, make a new game.

 

[Mexi]

She likes handsome men? Wow, what a fucking unique character trait for a woman.

Does she also like eating food and breathing oxygen?

Yeah, that Tiefling was fucking annoying. At least the one in BG2 was annoying on purpose, especially for the purposes of the love triangle.

 

[Sarathiour]

She likes handsome men? Wow, what a fucking unique character trait for a woman.

Current year is 2020, get cancelled for promoting pretty privilege you fucking biggot.

Spoiler

Also, no, you can't really disintegrate linzi, at least not without some kind of exploit. But as you know, someone else do the job for you at the house.

 

[Thonius]

I never played Varnhold for more than an hour the concept of playing with a new character just isn't appealing in my opinion. All DLC should be built directly into the main game/story IMHO.

Would like to see companion DLC where you run a side story and at the end the companion is integrated into your party/campaign.

I would prefer side line DLC's, maybe played as an enemy faction?

 

[Technomancer]

So hear me out. Avellone is banished from everywhere and Owlcat is the only one still working with him right now. Before Chris was a busy guy with lots of jobs. Imagine focusing all that energy, time and experience on one project instead.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

So hear me out. Avellone is banished from everywhere and Owlcat is the only one still working with him right now.

This is not confirmed. The last Owlcat statement about him was "wait and see" of some sort and then everybody including MCA is radio silencing.

It is entirely possible that MCA is working with this especially the dev being Russian who probably doesn't give a fuck with the controversies, but will go uncredited because at the end of the day this game is still sold mostly on the west. But really, we don't know whether MCA is actually still working on this.

Now Avellone over the years has become less of a writer and more of a senior narrative designer of some sort so he is not somebody that would easily want to get uncredited work. On the other hand, he was canceled hard so probably nobody will want him near their project anymore to begin with in the future so these uncredited work is probably his future venue of work.

 

[LannTheStupid]

It seems to me that the song "Go West" needs to be reversed.

 

[Cryomancer]

So hear me out. Avellone is banished from everywhere and Owlcat is the only one still working with him right now. Before Chris was a busy guy with lots of jobs. Imagine focusing all that energy, time and experience on one project instead.

And OwlCat is right. Innocent until proven guilty. The west is failing into a new witch hunt.

Chris Avellone is a genius guy; he lost everything by just allegations with zero evidence and I hope that OwlCat will make success with his work. That the next Pathfinder will have a greater story than ever. And that he works in future OwlCat titles.

 

[Sykar]

She is there in the prologue without the dlc too. You get to know where she is from, that she likes fire, that she likes handsome men, and she wins 2 fights for you.

So without DLC she is like Tartuccio helpful during the prologue but not so helpful afterwards. Got it.

 

[hell bovine]

She is there in the prologue without the dlc too. You get to know where she is from, that she likes fire, that she likes handsome men, and she wins 2 fights for you.

So without DLC she is like Tartuccio helpful during the prologue but not so helpful afterwards. Got it.

He's actually more helpful. If you let him & the kobolds stay, he'll join you as your vassal in the final run against LK.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

So hear me out. Avellone is banished from everywhere and Owlcat is the only one still working with him right now. Before Chris was a busy guy with lots of jobs. Imagine focusing all that energy, time and experience on one project instead.

And then Owlcat has to spend a fuckload of time cutting stuff because our lad writes pages upon pages of books.

 

[Technomancer]

And then Owlcat has to spend a fuckload of time cutting stuff because our lad writes pages upon pages of books.

Well sure, but maybe for the best? Durance and gmother were wordy af even cut down.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

And then Owlcat has to spend a fuckload of time cutting stuff because our lad writes pages upon pages of books.

Well sure, but maybe for the best? Durance and gmother were wordy af even cut down.

Sure, just pointing out that the workload may not be altered much.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

So hear me out. Avellone is banished from everywhere and Owlcat is the only one still working with him right now. Before Chris was a busy guy with lots of jobs. Imagine focusing all that energy, time and experience on one project instead.

Fully realized Durance

 

[Luckmann]

When is this getting released, anyway? I lost interest after the furries won the vote and the reveal that they were hacking it down in scope compared to Kingmaker.

Fully realized Durance

We'd all love that, but I doubt that could even be done in this game. Most of the CNPC's seem cringe as all hell.

 

[Xamenos]

When is this getting released, anyway? I lost interest after the furries won the vote and the reveal that they were hacking it down in scope compared to Kingmaker.

They've said summer of '21, but I think it's fabulously optimistic. I'm waiting for a christmas '21 release myself, or perhaps even early '22. I'm not sure what you mean by "furries won the vote", all 3 options were furries. There was never any other possibility, no matter what the delusional ratfags claim. And it might be shorter than KM (or it might not, they were aiming for a smaller game there too), but it has significantly more branching options if the reports from the Alpha are to be believed.

 

[Lawntoilet]

the reveal that they were hacking it down in scope compared to Kingmaker.

Based on the alpha it is still easily a 70+ hour game and much more replay value than Kingmaker.

Most of the CNPC's seem cringe as all hell.

They're pretty good. Sosiel is kinda boring and Camellia is a bit edgy for my taste, couple others aren't fleshed out enough yet (having only the alpha to judge them), but overall seems improved from KM.

 

[Parabalus]

Shorter game is , Kangmaker is too long.

 

[Trashos]

...said the Underrail fan.

(and I am an Underrail fan too, to be clear)

 

[Infinitron]

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