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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Sjukob

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I've heard that allignment restrictions for mythic paths were removed. Incoming demon paladin, barbarian aeon, trickster monk and many other options that won't be acknowledged by the game. Due to this scrolls of atonement will become even more ridiculous.
 

fantadomat

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She's not even a party member, just an NPC hanging around, afaik. This plot twist was straight from the adventure path, by the way.

And I see Trickster is even more of a clown show than I'd assumed and I'm probably gonna have to take Regill with me even in my Good playthroughs.
:dealwithit:
Then i can't just kill it ?!
 

Salvo

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I've heard that allignment restrictions for mythic paths were removed. Incoming demon paladin, barbarian aeon, trickster monk and many other options that won't be acknowledged by the game. Due to this scrolls of atonement will become even more ridiculous.

What happens is that you can pick whatever path as long as you unlocked it, but if you don't follow the alignment choices / are not of the right alignment your powers are severly nerfed or blocked altogether, akin to a Fallen Paladin. At least that's what I've heard, will confirm once I get to Act 2.
 

Shadenuat

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Even Regill with his bonus +2 and being all inquisitorial and stuff has no points in Perception come on.
And can't add his stats to weapon damage. Hope I will be able to solve it with 1 extra fighter level.

His voice is really nice. Him and Daeran have pretty smooth duo of voices.
He also comes with +2 adamantine plate of awesomeness.

(kicks Seelah out)

Hilariously he also like Ember. Perfect.
 

Sarkile

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She's not even a party member, just an NPC hanging around, afaik. This plot twist was straight from the adventure path, by the way.
Amber Scott was really obnoxious about including all these snowflake characters with huge and elaborate alphabet soup backstories that just wouldn't come up in a normal group's playthrough into the Adventure Path. Owlcat handled that plot thread far better by gating it behind skill checks and persistent questioning than beamdog or the source material.
 

Salvo

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She's not even a party member, just an NPC hanging around, afaik. This plot twist was straight from the adventure path, by the way.
Amber Scott was really obnoxious about including all these snowflake characters with huge and elaborate alphabet soup backstories that just wouldn't come up in a normal group's playthrough into the Adventure Path. Owlcat handled that plot thread far better by gating it behind skill checks and persistent questioning than beamdog or the source material.

I'm quite certain Owlcat would have scrapped that "storyline" if they weren't contractually obligated to Paizo. Look at how they've improved Nyrissa in Kingmaker compared to the AP.
 

Robber Baron

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This time it's their lazinezs, the game simply doesn't have dedicated cutscene system that you could skip and return to gameply mode. Instead the game just takes control away from the player and plays some script while all gameplay system are still working. I can alredy say that this will create bugs because if you do something those scripts aren't prepared for the game will hardlock and you have to reload.

Isn't it how Infinity engine handled "cutscenes"?
 

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She's not even a party member, just an NPC hanging around, afaik. This plot twist was straight from the adventure path, by the way.
Amber Scott was really obnoxious about including all these snowflake characters with huge and elaborate alphabet soup backstories that just wouldn't come up in a normal group's playthrough into the Adventure Path. Owlcat handled that plot thread far better by gating it behind skill checks and persistent questioning than beamdog or the source material.

I'm quite certain Owlcat would have scrapped that "storyline" if they weren't contractually obligated to Paizo. Look at how they've improved Nyrissa in Kingmaker compared to the AP.
On the contrary, they treated it with so much taste I'm sure they love Anevia. Just like they loved Octavia, Amiri and Valerie.
 

Desiderius

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Nongood Cleavebooter

Tyranny.jpg


This is how real designers create powerful effects that naturally phase themselves out (as mob saves increase) making room for new experiences as you level.

EDIT: this is Dominate Person. This (mostly) sux.
 
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Shinros

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I've heard that allignment restrictions for mythic paths were removed. Incoming demon paladin, barbarian aeon, trickster monk and many other options that won't be acknowledged by the game. Due to this scrolls of atonement will become even more ridiculous.

They removed the restrictions on first selecting a mythic, but per their own words if you don't shift to the correct alignment you will fail your mythic quests. Considering what goes on in the Aeon route if you select the wrong choices it's a big deal. In the datamine for example

You can't transform into a lich unless you're evil, your mentor tells you to remove all good from your heart or the ritual won't work.
 

Desiderius

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The world is run by Anevias (and their Irabeths and Seelahs) people. For now. Get used to them showing up everywhere.

I've heard that allignment restrictions for mythic paths were removed. Incoming demon paladin, barbarian aeon, trickster monk and many other options that won't be acknowledged by the game. Due to this scrolls of atonement will become even more ridiculous.

They removed the restrictions on first selecting a mythic, but per their own words if you don't shift to the correct alignment you will fail your mythic quests. Considering what goes on in the Aeon route if you select the wrong choices it's a big deal. In the datamine for example

You can't transform into a lich unless you're evil, your mentor tells you to remove all good from your heart or the ritual won't work.

That sounds more like nonGood. In any case a bunch of trainwrecks waiting to happen. I was told that restrictions are bad.
 

Xamenos

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They removed the restrictions on first selecting a mythic, but per their own words if you don't shift to the correct alignment you will fail your mythic quests. Considering what goes on in the Aeon route if you select the wrong choices it's a big deal. In the datamine for example

You can't transform into a lich unless you're evil, your mentor tells you to remove all good from your heart or the ritual won't work.
What happens then? Do you lose your powers for good, change Mythic, get blocked from progressing, or something else?
 

Shinros

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That sounds more like nonGood.

That's most likely more accurate, since Lich is Lawful evil for the game and for the mythics you have to be within one step of them like before, they just don't block you from picking one now. In the case of Aeon though, you can screw yourself over even though you're the right alignment if you don't pick the right choices during the Aeon's quests and on top of that you can't continue the quest at some point if you aren't the right alignment for the Aeon.

What happens then? Do you lose your powers for good, change Mythic, get blocked from progressing, or something else?

That's the question, considering the endings have been datamined in some fashion, so far from what I've seen certain choices will be blocked during the game because you're not a "true aeon" and some endings won't even work if you screw up.

Ending

For Lich your mentor can break your phylactery after he turns you into a lich, if you want to close the wound and possibly keep Areelu alive you will need it, can't get a certain ending otherwise if you don't have your phylactery.

We're still in beta, but because the game will be shorter there will be more replayability and more consequences for our actions. This is something I approve of, yet we must remember the datamined information is subject to change.
 

Desiderius

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This is how real designers create powerful effects that naturally phase themselves out (as mob saves increase) making room for new experiences as you level.

A shame it's dominate person and not monster. Person doesn't work against 70% of enemy types in the game.

Nice spot. Enlarge Person doesn't even work on Mongrelmen. Is there a foe in the game that this does effect?
 

Desiderius

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And can't add his stats to weapon damage.

Mythic Finesse gives him DEX to damage just fine. Pretty much mandatory for him.

Armor is new add in Beta. I liked sixth Fighter level too but look for HK tweaks to come.
 

Testownia

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That sounds more like nonGood.

That's most likely more accurate, since Lich is Lawful evil for the game and for the mythics you have to be within one step of them like before, they just don't block you from picking one now. In the case of Aeon though, you can screw yourself over even though you're the right alignment if you don't pick the right choices during the Aeon's quests and on top of that you can't continue the quest at some point if you aren't the right alignment for the Aeon.

What happens then? Do you lose your powers for good, change Mythic, get blocked from progressing, or something else?

That's the question, considering the endings have been datamined in some fashion, so far from what I've seen certain choices will be blocked during the game because you're not a "true aeon" and some endings won't even work if you screw up.

Ending

For Lich your mentor can break your phylactery after he turns you into a lich, if you want to close the wound and possibly keep Areelu alive you will need it, can't get a certain ending otherwise if you don't have your phylactery.

We're still in beta, but because the game will be shorter they will be more replayability and more consequences for our actions. This is something I approve of, yet we must remember the datamined information is subject to change.

It seems that whether
Terendelev believes you or not
is the litmus test.
 

Shinros

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It seems that whether
Terendelev believes you or not
is the litmus test.

If you don't make the right choices during trials in chapter 3

a certain dwarf who you try to rescue won't even stay after saving him, you have to be a cold-hard Aeon to gift him your vision to ensure he sticks around. So it's not only there where such things will happen.
 

Desiderius

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Wenduag is totally fine to Enlarge.

I did not get Mythic Finesse on 1st M level at least.

It's a Feat, not an Ability. You get it at next Mythic level.

I'll need to try on Lann then. Maybe it just doesn't improve his dice since Monk.
 

Xamenos

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Wenduag is totally fine to Enlarge.
This is either a bug or a deliberate mechanics change by Owlcat. Wenduag is a Mongrelman, Mongrelmen are Monstrous Humanoids and Monstrous Humanoids shouldn't be targettable by Enlarge Person.
 

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