Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[rusty_shackleford]

reasons for hunters to exist when rangers also exist:

 

[Delterius]

rangers protect the woods, hunters kill animals

 

[rusty_shackleford]

rangers protect the woods, hunters kill animals

but that's wrong
they essentially changed the ranger and made the traditional ranger a hunter

pathfinder is dumb

give the fighter class a feat called "master paladin" too

 

[Delterius]

everyone can hunt and be good at it but the hunter makes it their profession hence the evil alignment

 

[frajaq]

reasons for hunters to exist when rangers also exist:

easier to relate for people coming from World of Warcraft?

 

[Desiderius]

Hunter has some decent archetypes. Really like Urban Hunter CM kangz, especially now that you pick feats and equipment for pet and you get +4 CMB spell at lvl 2 and three pieces of CMB equipment you can fuck things up.

Forester is lol since whole point of Hunter is focus more on pet. Ok, we’ll take away pet and since you now completely suck you get all the abilities.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Forester is lol since whole point of Hunter is focus more on pet. Ok, we’ll take away pet and since you now completely suck you get all the abilities.

Forester is just going complete circle and remaking the original ranger except with a different name.
There's no reason for Hunter to exist at all, everything it does would have been fine as a ranger archetype. That was the entire point of archetypes.

 

[Desiderius]

Slow Spell class can be annoying if you’re gishy. I don’t mind it. Warpriest is so much worse because you already have Inquisitor. There wasn’t anything like that for Nature Boys before (Druid is more equivalent to Cleric).

Doesn’t mean it was a good fit for this particular game tho.

For a more outdoorsy setting would be fine with Himterlander.

 

[Shadenuat]

Warpriest would be better if their abilities actually worked.

But yes the class in pretty miserable. You trade all spells for micromanagement of Magus without actually being as strong and in the end get something weaker than 20 level Fighter.

 

[Axioms]

None of these things would be a problem if rpg systems dumped classes/archetypes for talents/paths. Ie a Rogue is actually traps/perception/stealth/daggers or however you want to divide it.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The DIfference with Ranger and Hunter is trading full BAB for much better casting and access to Level 6 spells. They also have a better focus on Animal Companion vs Ranger who focused more on the favorite enemy and being badass arrow shooter.

You could arguably say that instead of hybrid, Hunter is something that is inbetween Ranger and Druid which is its own niche I guess.

The one that has an overlap niche is Warpriest. The holy warrior of gods that is in between Cleric and Paladin is pretty much an Inquisitor already. Both ended up having different class features but one is clearly better than the other.

 

[Percy]

Also I think Wenduag

Spoiler

That's the conclusion of her quest. If you treat her with respect she likes that and doesn't betray you. If you uncover each stage of her plan she calls you a master of deception and doesn't betray you. If you haven't done any of the said things, yes she will betray you.

Also consider that Chapter 4 takes place in

And can you just attack everything on sight once you go to the abyss?

Don't kill the guards at nocticulas place before she talks to you, I wasn't able to get into her place afterwards and had to resume from another save.

You can kill most of the named slavers in slave markets. Make sure you do all quests needing slaves first of course.

You get into heaps of fights on the streets (so stay buffed) from named enemies and "commoners"

Spoiler

If you agree to go along with her plan (I think there's an alternative due to 2 other captains with ships) do not click on portal until you have the party you want, it bugged for me and I had to reload from an earlier save. This will make sense hopefully when you're at this stage done wanna spoil shit.

You can also give her both parts of paradox of lexicon and you can become her chosen or some shit but don't think those powers are in the game

It will end your mythic trickster cabinet thing if you're playing one.

I lost quite a lot of time in chapter 4 due to bugs, have multiple saves (i mean we should be doing this anyway)

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The DIfference with Ranger and Hunter is trading full BAB for much better casting and access to Level 6 spells. They also have a better focus on Animal Companion vs Ranger who focused more on the favorite enemy and being badass arrow shooter.

You could arguably say that instead of hybrid, Hunter is something that is inbetween Ranger and Druid which is its own niche I guess.

The one that has an overlap niche is Warpriest. The holy warrior of gods that is in between Cleric and Paladin is pretty much an Inquisitor already. Both ended up having different class features but one is clearly better than the other.

"the entire reason for this class existing is a tiny technical change"
gary gygax looks down on you with shame

 

[frajaq]

I was planning to go as a Warpriest of Gorum but from reading past posts I should just go Inquisitor instead?

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I was planning to go as a Warpriest of Gorum but from reading past posts I should just go Inquisitor instead?

I mean there is nothing stopping you. While WotR is difficult you will do just fine as Warpriest. I finished 1 Alpha playthrough with one without much of a hassle. It's just Inquisitor Class Feature being better overall.

 

[Desiderius]

Both suffer from short duration/limited activations but that’s less of a problem in Wrath.

Warpriest can spike pretty well and that fits well with what you need.

The thing it most competes with is Cleric Crusader archetype which has its own issues. I guess if you want to Shield Bash go Crusader while if you don’t Warpriest is dece.

 

[frajaq]

I was planning to go as a Warpriest of Gorum but from reading past posts I should just go Inquisitor instead?

I mean there is nothing stopping you. While WotR is difficult you will do just fine as Warpriest. I finished 1 Alpha playthrough with one without much of a hassle. It's just Inquisitor Class Feature being better overall.

Well I am interested since its not like the game will react to me being an Warpriest/Inquisitor or have exclusive Warpriest/Inquisitor dialogue options (like it would in Pillars of Eternity) so I might as well go for the mechanical best class for Melee Fighter of a Certain Deity character since classes are so close to each other

 

[Desiderius]

Well it’s a Crusade so why not play a Crusader and get to the fun high level spells?

 

[Sjukob]

frajaq
I don't know how's warpriest in wrath, but I was pretty disappointed with it in kingmaker with CoTW installed.

1. Blessings are basically just castrated domains;
2. Sacred weapon is only really good for some specific stuff, like light weapons or shield bashes. Damage increase for bigger weapons is marginal and takes overly long to get;
3. The weapon enchantments last only 1 round! Yes, you have several charges, but it's still awful;
4. You are still 0,75 BAB class, same as cleric, but can only access level 6 spells at best;
5. Worse channeling;
6. Sacred armor is whatever, "protection from energy" spells are easily accessible;
7. Swift self buffing is ok, but you can buff before entering combat.

The only build that I found interesting is cult leader with kukris. Feral champion might be decent, haven't looked into it. Overall I agree with Desiderius, just pick a crusader. It's the same bab and bonus feats, but with a full spell progression and good channeling.

 

[Desiderius]

The rnd/lvl stuff does eventually get there when you're using it to spike on bosses. See Bane Weapon on Inquisitor.

I feel like a couple of the setting specific subtypes should turn out decent. You end up getting a good many extra feats I think?

 

[Efe]

can bane weapon become unlimited like judgements?

 

[Desiderius]

Don't think so but don't really need it to if you just turn it on for boss fights. All the unlimited stuff matters less in Wrath than it would have in P:K.

 

[Percy]

Chapter 4 has been pretty good in my opinion after my initial concerns.

I found the abyss idea a bit annoying at first, because doesn't seem the right place to put good aligned players and some of the writing is a bit over the top, but at the pointier end of the chapter I've found it very interesting.

I am not sure what's bugged/incomplete though, so for anyone who has gotten through most of the chapter:

Spoiler

After encounter with Baphomet, have you been able to get back to Golarion through the portal in the Nexus?
There was some diaogue about feeling stronger too - I assume supposed to get a Mythic level but didn't seem too trigger for me.
I've done the Nexus part but for the life of me can't figure out the next bit.

On a non spoiler level, you can "spend time with" a creature called the fulsome queen if you're a trickster. She is described as being a creature of shit basically.

 

[ChildInTime]

Chapter 4 has been pretty good in my opinion after my initial concerns.

I found the abyss idea a bit annoying at first, because doesn't seem the right place to put good aligned players and some of the writing is a bit over the top, but at the pointier end of the chapter I've found it very interesting.

I am not sure what's bugged/incomplete though, so for anyone who has gotten through most of the chapter:

Spoiler

After encounter with Baphomet, have you been able to get back to Golarion through the portal in the Nexus?
There was some diaogue about feeling stronger too - I assume supposed to get a Mythic level but didn't seem too trigger for me.
I've done the Nexus part but for the life of me can't figure out the next bit.

On a non spoiler level, you can "spend time with" a creature called the fulsome queen if you're a trickster. She is described as being a creature of shit basically.

That's it for the beta for now.

Anyway, can anyone post the picture with all the demon aspects?

 

[Seari]

That's it for the beta for now.

Anyway, can anyone post the picture with all the demon aspects?

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Edit: This guy is covering the beta if anyone is interested.