Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Tacgnol]

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I don't know how's warpriest in wrath, but I was pretty disappointed with it in kingmaker with CoTW installed.

1. Blessings are basically just castrated domains;
2. Sacred weapon is only really good for some specific stuff, like light weapons or shield bashes. Damage increase for bigger weapons is marginal and takes overly long to get;
3. The weapon enchantments last only 1 round! Yes, you have several charges, but it's still awful;
4. You are still 0,75 BAB class, same as cleric, but can only access level 6 spells at best;
5. Worse channeling;
6. Sacred armor is whatever, "protection from energy" spells are easily accessible;
7. Swift self buffing is ok, but you can buff before entering combat.

The only build that I found interesting is cult leader with kukris. Feral champion might be decent, haven't looked into it. Overall I agree with Desiderius, just pick a crusader. It's the same bab and bonus feats, but with a full spell progression and good channeling.

On the tabletop one of the more popular uses of the warpriest is to do a whip build.

Whips normally have completely garbage damage, but the warpriest ability to replace the damage dice via sacred weapon allows them to keep their qualities (15 ft reach and good for doing combat maneuvers).

Also not sure how COTW implemented weapon enchantments, but they cost a swift to activate and can stay active for rounds equal to your class level. So they can last more than one round. That sounds more like the COTW creator couldn't code it correctly.

 

[Sjukob]

The rnd/lvl stuff does eventually get there when you're using it to spike on bosses. See Bane Weapon on Inquisitor.

I feel like a couple of the setting specific subtypes should turn out decent. You end up getting a good many extra feats I think?

I think that inquisitor is mostly just plain better than warpriest, because of the domain, bane, judgements and other bonuses, like stern gaze and wisdom to initiative. You still get divine spells up to level 6 and bunch of extra feats, albeit teamwork ones. I've already explained that bane works well with cleave, but does it apply to dual wield weapons, both of them? Greater bane (doesn't exist in vanilla game) gives you 4d6 bonus force damage on every hit at level 12, if you are going dual wield you should have 5 attacks per round with haste by that level, assuming that all of them land that's 20d6 bonus damage per round. At that point of the game it's like getting hit by disintegrate spell.

Stuff

Thanks pal, but I don't have access to beta and I'm not touching the game until it receives a considerable amount of patches and attention from modders. I'm just interested if I can go full degeneracy/evil remover.

• Kill Wenduag;
• Kill Camellia;
• Kill Arueshalae;
• Kill Greybor;
• Tell Woljif, Daeran and Nenio to fuck off with their inane shit;
• Discharge Irabeth and Anevia for degeneracy and incompetence;
• Kill/banish every demon, devil, undead and other abomination on sight, no negotiations;
• Jail/execute Galfrey for treason and incompetence;
• Kill Areelu or throw her into worldwound;
• Tell Iomedae to fuck off;
• Tell Apsu to fuck off;
• Angel -> Legend path;
• Lawful good sword saint aasimar worshipping Irori.

Somebody needs to clean up the mess.

 

[Monkeyfinger]

What are the main character's skill checks like? Are they still heavily slanted towards persuasion?

 

[Lagole Gon]

Is it just me or Demon powers look kind of meh compared to Lich? I'm thinking about stat drain Lich Monk. Is stat drain immunity even a thing in pathfinder? I'm pretty sure everything could be stat drained in Kingmaker.

 

[Desiderius]

Greater bane (doesn't exist in vanilla game) gives you 4d6 bonus force damage on every hit at level 12.

 

[Yosharian]

Kingmaker still drops to 18 FPS at times on my 5900X 3080 rig

Which SSD?

It's one of the fastest SSDs you can buy. I lowered the graphics to Low, it's better now, still not very good though

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Salvo]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

Spoiler

Delterius

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Is it just me or Demon powers look kind of meh compared to Lich? I'm thinking about stat drain Lich Monk. Is stat drain immunity even a thing in pathfinder? I'm pretty sure everything could be stat drained in Kingmaker.

Somebody loan this chap a vertebra or two.

 

[Percy]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

Spoiler

Delterius

Trickster really does some fucked up shit

Gender re-assignment (and then putting them into harms way)
Transforming a bitch into a mirror
Merging two people into one.
Rooting a shiela made out out excrement.

Not just that, but I can't get over the persuasion feat, first level is an intimidate check against shaken, second paralysis. I made a trickster with fuck all strength and charisma, a build made for this could do damage.

 

[Reinhardt]

Are we there yet?

 

[Nano]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

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Delterius

Are you allowed to side with him?

 

[ChildInTime]

Is it just me or Demon powers look kind of meh compared to Lich? I'm thinking about stat drain Lich Monk. Is stat drain immunity even a thing in pathfinder? I'm pretty sure everything could be stat drained in Kingmaker.

If you are talking spells, then Lich stat drain works only on the living, and you choose which stats to drain - mental or physical. It's pretty overpowered I think, for example I've been casting magic missile 1st lvl spell, and each one that hits drains three stats - do the math on other spells, it gets even better.

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

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Delterius

Are you allowed to side with him?

I think you can kill the Red Mask and bring him the girls while not "knowing" about his degenerate side, but it was so obvious... I mean, an aasimar in the middle of the abyss who saves pure innocent women from slavery?

 

[Tacgnol]

Is it just me or Demon powers look kind of meh compared to Lich? I'm thinking about stat drain Lich Monk. Is stat drain immunity even a thing in pathfinder? I'm pretty sure everything could be stat drained in Kingmaker.

Yes, it tends to be on epic CR creatures. Cthulhu is a good example.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/great-old-ones/great-old-one-cthulhu/

Immune ability damage, ability drain, aging, cold, death effects, disease, energy drain, mind-affecting effects, paralysis, and petrification;

Whether Owlcat have implemented it on anything? Who knows.

 

[Desiderius]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

Spoiler

Delterius

I see where Lann got the idea that Redemption is mental rape.

This ain't it people.

 

[Desiderius]

Trickster really does some fucked up shit

Gender re-assignment (and then putting them into harms way)
Transforming a bitch into a mirror
Merging two people into one.
Rooting a shiela made out out excrement.

Not just that, but I can't get over the persuasion feat, first level is an intimidate check against shaken, second paralysis. I made a trickster with fuck all strength and charisma, a build made for this could do damage.

It's the CN option for a reason. When you realize Socobenoth is your sort of mentor figure you see where things are headed.

 

[Desiderius]

So going to the Chapel and we're going to get Mythic (Feats):

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Magical Vestment, Shield now working properly. +1 every four caster levels, doesn't stack with bonus already on Shield (Vestment, Armor does still, as does Magical Weapon, Greater).

Shit just got real with Swift Action pole smoking.

Also gets WIS to Persuasion because SuperFreak. Passing this check thins out the mob of ghouls you have to fight.

First Fist Amulet in whole game so Seelah's Smilo will finally have a way to get Magical Claws for the first time. Comes up a good bit.

MC INT creeping up to a decent level. Had to give up a Feat and Dex Mutagen to get that +4 INT, but INT is harder to boost than DEX. Will need to make sure he's still hitting things consistently. Targeting Touch AC helps. With Extra Bombs and no Fast Bombs yet it's all Bombs all the time.

This is Zacharias' hideout under the Chapel (need wand from Swarm cave to open). Evil Eye is Ember's new toy (it ticks up to -4 at level 8 so good time to pick it up). Evil Eye gets at least one round even if the mob makes the save, but when it doesn't it's devastating.

Ember's other great Hex is Protective Luck as seen here, which just ticked up to two rounds duration (eventually we'll have Cackle which makes everything last forever). Her chance of getting hit went from 30% to <10%. -4 atk Eye on Golem and its over.

With a better idea of the threat (this is Core) switched to -4 AC and Lann took care of the rest.

A hidden door evidently missed by several people on Owlcat fora. Accidently triggered dialogue/fight with Zach shortly after this.

Lich suddenly growing on me. Also like Spergfu tho.

No lie detected. Galfreyism not looking too hot tbh...

Spoiler

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/nancy-pelosi-gets-hair-done-at-sf-salon-in-spite-of-covid-19-rules/

 

[Gyor]

My Plan:

Class: Warpriest

Archetype: Cult Leader

Race: Dhampyr

Subrace: Ancient-Born

Mythic Source: Dance Macabre

Mythic Path: Azata

First Superpower: All Skilled

Cult Leader is basically a hyrid between Warpriest and Rogue, skills and sneak attack like a Rogue.

Dance Macbre gives Channel Negative Energy to make up for the archetype trading it for Enthrallment, its got skills to rival a Rogue, it can use all weapons and armour thanks to it Azata superpower, it has a Havok Dragon Animal Companion, ect...,

 

[jungl]

some of the mythic feats are really op like the one where u ignore energy damage and infinite rage. Why not steamroll with all barbarians and sorcerers?

 

[Desiderius]

Now to get owned by one guy with no Spell Resistance and lousy CMD on Core.

Spoiler

He opens with this shit which got me good since suprise start and lucky roll. Root + nuke.

Smilo getting in there because Magic (which he just got upstairs for first time - good design) and Bludgeoning. If you're not you're eating 15DR. Not really feeling Clustered Shots on Lann but may change mind. -4 Saves Evil Eye will be go to on bosses but don't have anything really devastating memorized yet to go with it. Ranging Shots on Lann means he'll eventually be able to get the job done on Hard if he can just stay alive for a round or two. Didn't notice that cap or would have taken Distracting first.

Grease gettin er done. Suck it haterz!

So yeah Waves of Exhaustion. We did of course beat his skinny evil ass but with nowhere to rest but the bottom of the mountain and everyone exhausted... well, you got me Owlcat. Reload.

Yes, there is also a Web in this picture. This little trinket is WAY better than it looks as anyone caught without a Death Ward up can attest. Doesn't even cost a slot!

So Improved Precise Shot probably isn't worth taking (it's main use is getting around Cover and Cover hasn't been and probably won't be implemented) but this is where you miss it.

I'm going to be so owning ghosts with this MC.





Touch, full damage, stagger.

Nenio's dece too even with half damage and no meta yet.

Stuff from behind the hidden door. This is good loot. Time to beat the Boss to be the Boss.

 

[Desiderius]

some of the mythic feats are really op like the one where u ignore energy damage and infinite rage. Why not steamroll with all barbarians and sorcerers?

Ignoring Energy damage is a third level spell and Barbs have enough Rage by lvl six to last as long as it needs to already?

Most things people think are broken were already in P:K they just never got around to finding.

 

[Nano]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

Spoiler

Delterius

Another question: why is option #3 Lawful? Since when is allowing people to be vigilantes considered Lawful? That's a textbook Neutral reply.

 

[Shadenuat]

How far can you go in Beta?

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I "killed" Baphomet but can't find exit from midnight shrine which should lead to Chapter 5, only path I see is door blocked by barrier in south east

I am not sure what's bugged/incomplete though, so for anyone who has gotten through most of the chapter

Same, got back to Nexus, stuck there.

I'm thinking about stat drain Lich Monk. Is stat drain immunity even a thing in pathfinder?

The problem with most of these abilities except one (strength drain on hit I think) is that combat would (or should) be over before you'll be using any of them.

For Lich I think most synergistic paths are classes like cleric, shaman, druid, alchemist, etc. There is crazy amount of self-buffing you can achieve for weapons and I think natural attacks path is also viable. The spells... you'll need more than 3 rounds of removing SR, and funny enough new Lich spells often do ignore SR and even have no saving throw. Bad news is damage they do is 10 times less fighter does in a round. But as a "magic missile" equivalents maybe you can chain them with sneak or something, if you don't like playing BAB>AC game.

Anyway Shaman is p ok as melee class although Spirit hunter turned out to be pointless, I got to +4 weapon a lot quicker than I thought, enemies don't care for extra elemental damage, and you can get various 2d6s elsewhere or by picking some neat exotic weapon or whatever. It is much better to get better domain spells if possible there is a lot of cool stuff you can get by selecting correct spirits (well, if it worked since picking feat doesn't actually work sometimes). I didn't study extra types of Shamans due to descriptions giving me pain on Russian but I'm sure there's something better there than weapon enhancement.
Too bad so much shit just doesn't stack with anything (wow, a +AC on attacks that reduces with incoming attacks, hm... oh it's also Deflection, great).

The Warpriest Cultist is expected suckos due to how this time you get elemental damage and level drain thrown at you before not just hybrid, but even spontaneous casters get to protective spells, and before you accumulate enough gold on scrolls/pots (curiously in beta some scrolls are even limited, I wonder if it's the new meta, not like old x99 everything meta). And you want moneys for fun stuff. And no they don't really "spike", not any more than left-clicking a simple fighter on target does.

 

[Gyor]

Sooo... apparently Trickster pranks a rapist by turning him into a woman and sending him into a brothel to be... well... :D

Spoiler

Delterius

Another question: why is option #3 Lawful? Since when is allowing people to be vigilantes considered Lawful? That's a textbook Neutral reply.

This is a by product of the warped perception of #Metoo being "justice".

 

[Gyor]

I really love my Azata Warpriest (Cultist) build idea, it's like the ultimate in being a Cleric/Rogue/Fighter/Bard/Ranger without ever having to Multiclass.