Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Insane Psychic]

This might have been asked before, and if so, my apologies, but is there a bug with the slayer's study target ability?
I don't see the +1 to atk and dmg after studying a target. The study target effect is active on the enemy when inspecting.

 

[Desiderius]

I mean eye for an eye was progress over law of the jungle or eye because I can and feel like it or your whole family for an eye.

We've devolved to something worse than eye for an eye in the States now.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Whether a society has changed its ideals from an eye for an eye or not doesn't imply that that behaviour is not lawful. Consider lawful evil behaviour, for instance. If nothing else, the concept of this trade is generally "fair".

The retributive part of the chaotic option is largely irrelevant in that it involves fundamentally altering the nature of the person and of reality and is therefore, not really a lawful response, whereas the other option is empowering the victims to seek justice which is arguably one of the main aims of law. I never claimed that being retributive is a sufficient condition for lawful behaviour. If it was, Batman would be a lawful superhero even though no one would suggest this.

One of the main aims of the law is in fact the very opposite of empowering the victim to seek justice. That's how you get personal vendettas and feuds. I agree that Batman is a chaotic hero, but I don't see how he is any different to the former slaves in the siituation we're discussing. It's vigilante justice, no matter how you cut it.

I also do not understand why you draw the line at "fundamentally altering the nature of the person and of reality" and consider those inherently chaotic.

I generally agree that you make some good points and that whether the alignment markers are appropriate or not isn't obvious. This entire issue is part of the larger problem of trying to incrementally increase/decrease alignment tendencies on a per event basis instead of having a DM interpret a pattern of behaviour and reasoning over time and then ruling whether or not a major shift has taken place. I'm also not certain some of my own thoughts aren't incoherent in the philosophical sense which isn't surprising since I didn't form them with any sort of rigour as I'm fairly certain there's some conflation between the law/chaos axis and the good/evil axis going on in what I was putting forward. I'm not super interested in derailing this thread into another alignment blow out though, but am willing to discuss it over DM or in an alignment thread in the gazebo if you'd like to continue beating this horse.

However, just in order to explain and not completely cop out: "I also do not understand why you draw the line at "fundamentally altering the nature of the person and of reality" and consider those inherently chaotic."
Basically, although there's the element of literally putting the perpetrator in the victim's position in order to experience what they've done (which is arguably perfect retribution), it is doing so by fundamentally altering the perpetrator which is bending normal laws of form and function. Generally realms of perfect order are depicted as static as there is no change, mutability is by its nature chaotic, therefore, bending someone's being is an inherently chaotic act to some degree.

 

[Sjukob]

Shadenuat
So it's literally D:OS2 material. Ok, I think I've seen enough. I won't be spoiling myself anymore. See you in 2022 folks.

 

[Desiderius]

Shadenuat
So it's literally D:OS2 material. Ok, I think I've seen enough. I won't be spoiling myself anymore. See you in 2022 folks.

It's all over the place. But yeah don't blame you. Lot of work to do and a lot of new employees distracted by bullshit not getting it done yet.

 

[Shadenuat]

I thought about what could I write to explain the difference between PKM and this one, but in the end all long explanations really can be summed up as "it's more of the same". But with a few buts, like
- not as consistent
- a lot more cutscenes you can't skip
- more text
- anything but boring is good and WOTR companions are not as soul crushingly dull like some of PKM ones, but see previous point
- a lack of MCA factor leads to what I can only name as odd tears in the cloth of the narrative, be it strange condensed prologue or odd "but thou musts"

Eventually they will once again ask people to vote on favorite companions, and it would be probably a good guide to how avoid Larian.

also

- all women are evil. possibly revenge plot by Owlcat writers for MCA??
an investigation required

 

[Salvo]

- all women are evil. possibly revenge plot by Owlcat writers for MCA??
an investigation required

My daughters Ember and Aivu are the goodest. (and cutest)

 

[Shadenuat]

Ok all women you can fuck or who fuck with u are evil.

Like, this game has not one,

Spoiler

but TWO demonesses who can mess with you, and one of them has THREE TAILS.

Aivu

does she have portrait? show

 

[Desiderius]

It’s the women writers making all the women evil. Watch the streams. They’re desperate for some man somewhere to pull his head out of his ass and notice but they’re all determined to keep on simpin’.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok all women you can fuck or who fuck with u are evil.

Like, this game has not one,

Spoiler

but TWO demonesses who can mess with you, and one of them has THREE TAILS.

Aivu

does she have portrait? show

They’re like the Merry and Pippin of the game (maybe Ember even a little Frodo) but since whole game drenched in estrogen of course they’re chix.

 

[Salvo]

Ok all women you can fuck or who fuck with u are evil.

Like, this game has not one,

Spoiler

but TWO demonesses who can mess with you, and one of them has THREE TAILS.

Aivu

does she have portrait? show

 

[Shadenuat]

Ember is alright. I think for 4 Chapters there should have been more of "gods abandonded us, only we can stop the w-- what I was saying? wanna play?".

I can only wonder whats her final quest, I hope it's something notbanal. One could almost call her the closest to that "mask of betrayer failed cast" type.

She's like a baby version of Kaelyn the Dove, minus great writing. (but still ok)

!DONT GIVE HER MELEE WEAPON IN CHAPTER 3!
trust me.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Since when is allowing people to be vigilantes considered Lawful?

This is direct democracy: the most lawful thing you can ever have. No corrupt politicians or judges between the barrel of the gun of a self-proclaimed law enforcer and an (alleged) perpetrator.

Just don't get alleged.

 

[Kaldurenik]

Have the art for the mythic path been completed yet or datamined?

Well in either case i'm happy with the game so far. Then again i was happy with the first one also.
However... At the moment there is 9 characters in my group... lets just say that with some issues with path finding and the rather small indoor areas... It can get rather hard to move around.

 

[Sykar]

FFS Nenio

Seems like the top spot is already reserved for this particular MC. Unless Owlcat names its NPCs after certain STDs...

 

[LabRat]

The rnd/lvl stuff does eventually get there when you're using it to spike on bosses. See Bane Weapon on Inquisitor.

• Lawful good sword saint aasimar worshipping Irori.

Somebody needs to clean up the mess.

It could be interesting if they had add Iroran Paladin.

 

[Ghulgothas]

Have the art for the mythic path been completed yet or datamined?

Datamined yes. But they're not all complete. the M/F ones for Angel and Singulars for Lich, Aeon and Swarm are all we've got so far. Trickster's only got a placeholder for now.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Have the art for the mythic path been completed yet or datamined?

Datamined yes. But they're not all complete. the M/F ones for Angel and Singulars for Lich, Aeon and Swarm are all we've got so far. Trickster's only got a placeholder for now.

So your portrait automatically switches to a vanilla mythic path one once you achieve your transformation?

 

[Ghulgothas]

So your portrait automatically switches to a vanilla mythic path one once you achieve your transformation?

Not strictly, you're given the option of switchin' to a Mythic one after a point but you can just as well stick to your funky little halfling portrait instead of the majestic mythic the game deigns to offer you.

 

[Sarkile]

Does the Lich spellbook double-up with Sorcerer? I was contemplating trying a quick Lich playthrough.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

do none of the other backgrounds even come close to how good acolyte/healer are or am I missing something

 

[Sarkile]

Depending on your build, the soldier ones can be pretty helpful since they give you proficiencies in light armor and a variety of weapons.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

start game, no linzi voiceover
uninstall time

 

[rusty_shackleford]

piece of shit keeps crashing nice game

 

[kreight]

Can't say I disagree with him.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/4956744526894948258/