Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Salvo]

That's Zacharias, isn't it? The Lich mentor? The hero of the First Crusade?

I think it was the mage getting possessed or the barbarian being undead like Jaethal. The elf is an obvious false flag.

I've actually thought about it a bit more and, being the cynical prick that I am, think they don't actually thought of a proper culprit. Rather, the one that is going to be the most voted is going to be tailored into being the murderer in the trailer.

Spoiler

Barbarian: controlled by Necromancer
Mage: Possessed
Elf: Secret Cultist

Each one can be turned, somewhat reasonably, into the murderer. Clever, Owlcat, clever.

 

[Shadenuat]

PK gives you better options but there's nothing as busted in PK as Flurry/Perfect Strike/Ki Arrows, Charming Smile/Marching Terror/Glaive Proficiency, Sorcerous Reflex, or Ember's Hexes. Or Smite Evil/Crusader's Edge/Evil Outsiders.

1st level rangor spell is basically almost highest level ki arrows, and cold iron arrows were infinite in PKM. Charm humanoid is junk. Reflex is mythic ability, imagine that on octavia or even reg. paladins and favor enemies were always there, but you just acknowledged what I said there
Witch is the only new one you want.
There is a reason you're playing Alchemist and always consider his buff availability to your party.

In the end, you are going to play mercenaries, but not just for powergamin reasons.PK gives you better options and a more well rounded party roster instead of hurr high stats. and they dont even eat people.

 

[Desiderius]

Dude seriously, the Charm, it’s crazy. You’re not used to Swift.

It’ll be tight without the Alchie but we’ll get there.

 

[Shadenuat]

Dude I tried. But I just finished Sos quest second time on lowest difficulty in 1 minute and kept him in the camp. Never I wanted so much some gay in my party as I compared his spells to Daeran's (which is very quick. at that point Daeran has like, 1 3d level spell to learn I think), but his writing is just...

 

[Desiderius]

My two favorite companions aren’t ready yet. This generation is so globally fucked up you confuse evil for good but we all know who the real forces for good here are.

Daeran will be Holy Blasta.

 

[Shadenuat]

Daeran (and Nenio) don't even have enough feats early due to their classes/races to land their rays.

 

[Salvo]

PK gives you better options but there's nothing as busted in PK as Flurry/Perfect Strike/Ki Arrows, Charming Smile/Marching Terror/Glaive Proficiency, Sorcerous Reflex, or Ember's Hexes. Or Smite Evil/Crusader's Edge/Evil Outsiders.

1st level rangor spell is basically almost highest level ki arrows, and cold iron arrows were infinite in PKM. Charm humanoid is junk. Reflex is mythic ability, imagine that on octavia or even reg. paladins and favor enemies were always there, but you just acknowledged what I said there
Witch is the only new one you want.
There is a reason you're playing Alchemist and always consider his buff availability to your party.

In the end, you are going to play mercenaries, but not just for powergamin reasons.PK gives you better options and a more well rounded party roster instead of hurr high stats. and they dont even eat people.

Main problem I'm having is how Cha intensive the companions are, and how once again you're only getting one or no full arcane casters. Sosiel, Daeran and Camellia somewhat clash with each other due to their spell selection being similar.

 

[Desiderius]

Daeran (and Nenio) don't even have enough feats early due to their classes/races to land their rays.

Their Rays suck early anyway. They don't have those Feats because they belong in MELEE.

Later on you just use the Rays against casters and archers I think so taking those Feats is a trap. Illusions don't need to touch anything material.

 

[Salvo]

Daeran (and Nenio) don't even have enough feats early due to their classes/races to land their rays.

Their Rays suck early anyway. They don't have those Feats because they belong in MELEE.

Later on you just use them against casters and archers I think so taking those Feats is a trap. Illusions don't need to touch anything material.

Daeran... in Melee? With 7 STR?

 

[Desiderius]

Sosiel, Daeran and Camellia somewhat clash with each other due to their spell selection being similar.

Well yeah you're never using Daeran and Sos together. Camellia's got Barkskin and Stinking Cloud and the like and is missing the Holy stuff like Shield of Faith, Archon's, and Crusader's Edge. If you're playing Cam you're taking one of the other two (or Seelah) as well.

Shed, Hurricane Bow isn't close to Ki Arrows. Ki ticks up every four levels and lets you start with Short.

 

[Desiderius]

Daeran... in Melee? With 7 STR?

You shall see young Jedi.

 

[Desiderius]

Only two decent Second Mysteries so far are Battle and Nature and I’m not NOT riding that mount to make up for the first round Stagger.

I could see a caster who hangs back but then your Archon’s will be insane so you need to close to front lines and Xbow for instance won’t do that. Dart and Shield could work but Dart is STR-based damage like Composite Bow.

Plus then you’d still have to pay the Precise Shot tax. Usually if toons don’t start with it there’s a reason.

You have Medium/Shield Prof and they give you Mithril versions so kind of a set up.

 

[Shadenuat]

Daeran... in Melee? With 7 STR?

Dats the logic yes.
You waste a strength belt, or bull strength buff
to give him a cold iron dart or something and a shield, and a few extra thousands of gold worth mithral armor etc (or a very good reach weapons which someone else could use - and then also enlarge buff)
to land a debuff, for which you need enemies to fail will saves (which enemies often have out of their ass) - but hey, you can debuff them to get more debuffs
in a meta where enemies are not that bad at retargeting actually and can be high reach or various deadly abilities, and you generally fight in tight spaces, so having an actual very strong enlarged melee behind 1.5 other melees is a lot better
because you can't be assed to move dude with bow a bit closer.
the desiderus meta

there is, however, a grain of reason here, because daeran is crap build and aasimar and literally has no feats (and no intelligence btw. again), wasted all on HealZ. this means that you are either wasting his early feats on point blank and precise shot, or on +evocationx2 for example. at the same time, you are still completely starved with feats, as you also might want to pick up stuff like improved ini, shake it off, spell pen, metamagic etc. he also has very high Persuasion btw.

So by giving him a reach weapon and some STR you're saving feats while keeping his Evocation spells effective. And Flanking and weapon buffs compensates for low STR somewhat.

you start with Short.

i think later longbows are better than shorts. there's +4 -2 ac on hit axiomatic for example.

Their Rays suck early anyway

They suck always but hey at least we are half there making you admit that something sucks

Camellia's got Stinking Cloud

i think a good half if not more enemies this time are immune to it.

 

[Salvo]

I just realized how strong the Protective Luck hex is. (Also Fortune, but that relies Cackle/Chant to get going.)

 

[Shadenuat]

I just realized how strong the Protective Luck hex is. (Also Fortune, but that relies Cackle/Chant to get going.)

Never played as Eldar in Warhammer? Re-roll al hits, re-roll all saves...
You can Cackle Luck on multiple characters too actually.

 

[Desiderius]

If you’re serious about Daeran in melee you’re probably going Finesse or Agile CMs (you get the CMs from Battle Mystery) but yeah with Abundant Casting you’ve got infinite buffs and a gazillion weapons so not really an issue denying them to other people if you want to slum it with STR.

With Divine Favor/Power, Crusader’s Edge, and Magical Weapon, Greater you’ll be handing out serious punishment whatever your STR.

 

[Desiderius]

There’s a kid on Owlcat forums wanting to go Angelfire Acolyte. Check out the trigger on Cleansing Flames. Combine that with Sun Nimbus and you might be doing something by midgame.

 

[Salvo]

Just beat the infamous Water Elemental (arguably a hard fight at Level 2) without taking a single hit. My opinion of Protective Luck rising steadily.

 

[Desiderius]

See this is why Owlcat should never have put Daeran out there with half his class missing. Makes the poor guy look like a chump.

 

[Desiderius]

So remind me how you Finesse a Long Sword again?

 

[Shadenuat]

Slashing grace.

 

[Desiderius]

It turns on DEX to AB too? Finesse doesn’t.

 

[Sarkile]

It turns on DEX to AB too? Finesse doesn’t.

Owlcat's interpretation of Slashing Grace turns the weapon you take it for into a finesseable weapon, a cool feature if you want to make a Dex Sword Saint.

 

[Shadenuat]

It turns on DEX to AB too? Finesse doesn’t.

Naturlicht longsword is not a light weapon. So you need to waste 3 feats (focus finesse slashing) to make your life worse.

Stop torturing poor Daeran

 

[Alrik]

It turns on DEX to AB too? Finesse doesn’t.

Owlcat's interpretation of Slashing Grace turns the weapon you take it for into a finesseable weapon, a cool feature if you want to make a Dex Sword Saint.

Do the Grace feats multiply Dex damage when wielding the weapon two handed and for Power Attack? Logically it shouldn't, but if they did a lazy "Grace means Dex=Str" implementation it would. Str Saint would probably still be superior due to more feats, but it would add a nice boost to Dex Saints.