Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Desiderius]

Guys, a question: what do you think of a Wizard 9/Enlightened Philosopher 1/Mystic Theurge 10/Angel build for a battlefield controller/damage dealer caster? Especially compared to a pure Enlightened Philosopher 20/Angel for the same role? Assuming merged spellbooks in both cases. The choice of Enlightened Philosopher and not some other sort of Oracle is for RP reasons (but Seeker would maybe also be fine, if it's much better mechanically).

Basically I want a Good-aligned caster with high INT and CHA (for RP reasons) who eventually gains access to 10th level spells, and whose powers (for RP reasons) are derived from his intellect and knowledge and not from some god. I'd appreciate comments/suggestions on how to build such a character.

This is Angel base abilities:

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So yeah seems like if beating Saves and Penetrating Resistance is something you're focused on Angel would be a solid option.

I'll be running Angel next so I'll consider your idea with a proper Deity to see if it makes sense. I'd also think about bringing along a Court Poet.

 

[Desiderius]

More shots:

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Brimorak is an Outsider and Aru has Favored Enemy Outsider.

This is after casting Instant Enemy. Guess that roused her memory.



Playing Cas until I get back to where I left off last Beta.

Got our first Mythic Trick (Perception) and next we'll upgrade that and pick up Knowledge (World).

Effectively 52 Perception (Mythic Focus lets you take ten) with ability to supposedly find extra stuff at lvl 10.

Strongly approve of owning self-important architect of the worldwound with cheesy puns. Also making all the char level scrolls for my Rogue.

These guys are new and they are baaaad news.

Just let Hap bite them back. He's a large hombre. Check that Speed.

Crusader's Edge does work on Horse Teeth.

Ember getting that Spell Pen up there.

 

[Delterius]

Basically I want a Good-aligned caster with high INT and CHA (for RP reasons) who eventually gains access to 10th level spells, and whose powers (for RP reasons) are derived from his intellect and knowledge and not from some god. I'd appreciate comments/suggestions on how to build such a character.

Human Empyreal Sorcerer into Angel. 19 WIS and 14 INT. Oblate background. You have an arcane and a divine spellbook, both scale off WIS. Your background allows you to use WIS instead of CHA for persuasion. Your INT is decent for skills. Your magic is entirely innate to you.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Galfrey with the voice of Octavia? I don't like it.

The rest... may be OK.

But voice over is cancer anyway.

 

[Desiderius]

Trickster with the tricksy C&C:

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Getting there. Solid tutorial.

Advisors replaced by councils.

Finally a Light Armor type with no spell failure chance. Padded hardest hit.

Fun to figure out each companion's favorite meal. Here's Gheybore's.

Avellone's a phag, right? Can they call him up to let him write this stuff instead of the chix? This is excruciating. He's not FtM for God's sake.

The crafting needs some more work but their heart is in the right place. This one's done right. Above is one choice.

This is the other. Nice unique effects. Don't sleep on Force damage.

Tutorials now helping people suck less. This one is wrong, but it's a good try.

 

[jerfdr]

Basically I want a Good-aligned caster with high INT and CHA (for RP reasons) who eventually gains access to 10th level spells, and whose powers (for RP reasons) are derived from his intellect and knowledge and not from some god. I'd appreciate comments/suggestions on how to build such a character.

Human Empyreal Sorcerer into Angel. 19 WIS and 14 INT. Oblate background. You have an arcane and a divine spellbook, both scale off WIS. Your background allows you to use WIS instead of CHA for persuasion. Your INT is decent for skills. Your magic is entirely innate to you.

But in this case I do not get the level 10 spells (since it's possible only with spellbook merging), which hurts.

 

[Delterius]

Basically I want a Good-aligned caster with high INT and CHA (for RP reasons) who eventually gains access to 10th level spells, and whose powers (for RP reasons) are derived from his intellect and knowledge and not from some god. I'd appreciate comments/suggestions on how to build such a character.

Human Empyreal Sorcerer into Angel. 19 WIS and 14 INT. Oblate background. You have an arcane and a divine spellbook, both scale off WIS. Your background allows you to use WIS instead of CHA for persuasion. Your INT is decent for skills. Your magic is entirely innate to you.

But in this case I do not get the level 10 spells (since it's possible only with spellbook merging), which hurts.

But you get Abundant Casting with two full spellbooks, which is something around 150 extra spell slots.

 

[Lacrymas]

150 more spell slots? I'm starting to dread the power levels of this game. This is the antithesis of what I find compelling and enjoyable.

 

[Delterius]

150 more spell slots? I'm starting to dread the power levels of this game. This is the antithesis of what I find compelling and enjoyable.

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sorry there's no other way of putting it

also i don't know wtf happened to my brain since its 4 spell slots per level in two spellbooks that go to level 9, ie 72

 

[jerfdr]

But you get Abundant Casting with two full spellbooks, which is something around 150 extra spell slots.

But with Wizard 9/Oracle 1/Mystic Theurge 10/Angel I get two spellbooks too, benefitting from Abundant Casting in the same way?

 

[Delterius]

But you get Abundant Casting with two full spellbooks, which is something around 150 extra spell slots.

But with Wizard 9/Oracle 1/Mystic Theurge 10/Angel I get two spellbooks too, benefitting from Abundant Casting in the same way?

No because then you'd have 3 spellbooks. A Wizard book, an Oracle book and an Angel book that does not merge with mystic theurge books.

 

[jerfdr]

No because then you'd have 3 spellbooks. A Wizard book, an Oracle book and an Angel book that does not merge with mystic theurge books.

Have you checked that? I'm not personally part of the beta, but people on reddit claim that spellbook merging works very well with the MT build.

 

[Delterius]

No because then you'd have 3 spellbooks. A Wizard book, an Oracle book and an Angel book that does not merge with mystic theurge books.

Have you checked that? I'm not personally part of the beta, but people on reddit claim that spellbook merging works very well with the MT build.

If they changed it for the beta2 then they just implemented something I asked for and I haven't had the chance to test it again. But, mind you:

Your progression is Ecclesitheurge 3 / Empyreal Sorcerer 4 / Mystic Theurge 10 / Empyreal Sorcerer +3. At level 20, rank 10, you will have a final CL of 23 on your Cleric side and 17 on your Sorcerer side. For domains, avoid picking stuff that scales with your level as much as possible - you're only going to have 3 cleric levels after all.

I don't know about you but I'd prefer to be a CL 20 / CL 20 caster with none of the mystic theurge related downside.

 

[jerfdr]

I don't know about you but I'd prefer to be a CL 20 / CL 20 caster with none of the mystic theurge related downside.

I'm looking into a bit different build, namely Wizard 9/Oracle 1/Mystic Theurge 10/Angel. By lvl.20 and mythic rank 10 this build has CL19 on the arcane side and CL21 on the divine side. And assuming that (for Oracle) you need merged spellbooks, divine CL20 and mythic rank 10 to get access to the level 10 spells, you get them (and you don't in your case).

 

[Lacrymas]

150 more spell slots? I'm starting to dread the power levels of this game. This is the antithesis of what I find compelling and enjoyable.

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sorry there's no other way of putting it

also i don't know wtf happened to my brain since its 4 spell slots per level in two spellbooks that go to level 9, ie 72

I'm not mad, just befuddled by the slowly sinking realization this game is going to be so epic as to be ridiculous and unwieldy.

 

[Desiderius]

With Abundant Casting a lot of the appeal of MT goes by the wayside.

 

[Parabalus]

The Lich NPCs seem shitty - the proper NPCs don't get mythic ranks, and the bonus one seems stuck at a low level.

 

[Cryomancer]

150 more spell slots? I'm starting to dread the power levels of this game. This is the antithesis of what I find compelling and enjoyable.

Only a note, on a medium level game like BG2, an specialist mage on BG2:SoA at lv cap would have 41 spell slots (lv 17 = 6+6+6+6+6+4+4+3)

You can't go more epic than this game without for example playing as a Immortal in Mystara. I hit lv 17 on the chapter 4. The game is very epic, starts with a demon attack in a plaza and a dragon fighting the demon and have you leading armies on chapter 2.

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But does this feat applies to the Lich spellbook?

How much spells would a Necromancer specialized wizard/Lich with this feat at lv 20/10 mythic be able to cast?

 

[jerfdr]

But you get Abundant Casting with two full spellbooks, which is something around 150 extra spell slots.

Also in your case your divine spellbook will only contain Angel spells, while in the MT case it will also contain normal divine spells.

 

[Delterius]

But you get Abundant Casting with two full spellbooks, which is something around 150 extra spell slots.

Also in your case your divine spellbook will only contain Angel spells, while in the MT case it will also contain normal divine spells.

i'm positive that all spellbooks contain normal spells, arcane and otherwise. you're talking about extra, exclusive spells.

 

[jerfdr]

i'm positive that all spellbooks contain normal spells, arcane and otherwise. you're talking about extra, exclusive spells.

Wait, so you're saying that whatever your class, if you go the Angel path you get a devine spellbook with all normal divine spells together with the extra Angel's spells? This does not seem right. I thought that once you go the Angel path, you get a spellbook containing *only* special Angel's spells (using 2X you mythic rank as your effective CL), but if you've already had a normal divine spellbook, then you can merge it with the Angel's one and get a spellbook with both your normal divine spells and Angel's special spells (using your normal divine CL + your mythic rank as the effective CL).

 

[Delterius]

i'm positive that all spellbooks contain normal spells, arcane and otherwise. you're talking about extra, exclusive spells.

Wait, so you're saying that whatever your class, if you go the Angel path you get a devine spellbook with all normal divine spells together with the extra Angel's spells? This does not seem right. I thought that once you go the Angel path, you get a spellbook containing *only* special Angel's spells (using 2X you mythic rank as your effective CL), but if you've already had a normal divine spellbook, then you can merge it with the Angel's one and get a spellbook with both your normal divine spells and Angel's special spells (using your normal divine CL + your mythic rank as the effective CL).

yes.



timestamped 5 mins in, the mythic spellbooks aren't just your exclusive spells

 

[Parabalus]

Welp had to Cntl-Alt-Del out so that’s not good. Anyone know how Night Gamblers Quest is supposed to work? Sosiel showed up at HQ but couldn’t talk to him.

Says I’m supposed to talk to the theater kids but they’re not there.

I could talk to Sosiel at night, but afterwards he's painting in the council room, uninteractable.

Theater kids also broken.

Next part (he talks to you with the hellknight in the council) triggered for me.
In 0.5 it could be finished in C4.

 

[Desiderius]

“Most of its Healing and buffs and stuff” lol.

Angel Divine nukes will own.

 

[jerfdr]

yes.



timestamped 5 mins in, the mythic spellbooks aren't just your exclusive spells

I only see special mythic spells in the mythic spellbook at the timestamp you've linked.