Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[ArchAngel]

There's an Elemental Specialist Wiz that can turn all damage into the Element of your choice at level one and then turn half of that untyped at lvl 15 which goes well with the Ascendant Element Mythic which makes the Element of your choice irresistable and cancels immunities.

Yep. But which mythic path do you suggest? I will pick an elemental specialist wizard. Just imagine maximized/empowered sirrocos dealing cold damage which are much better than fire.

Lich. Spellbook merging is that good.

How does that work?

Every mythic gets an extra spellbook which progresses as Mythic Rank x 2. Meaning that a Level 10 Wizard Mythic 4 Demon has a Level 10 Wizard spellbook and a level 8 Demon spellbook. If given the option to merge then you progress as Your Class Level + Mythic Rank. So a Level 10 Wizard Mythic 4 Lich has a level 14 Wizard-Lich spellbook with all unique Lich spells on it. This means most of all faster spell progression and higher caster levels. A Sorcerer-Lich also benefits from a single casting stat for everything.

It is very much broken and can drain all the fun of everything but an Unfair playthrough.

So Lich abilities are Cha based, not Int? Is there an Int based Mythic? And that merging is only Lich ability or do different Mythics get ability to merge with different classes?

And I don't care much for game to be super hard on first playthrough. I am doing that one for story and roleplay. Later I can min max and go for difficulty.
Also things like that sound like game could support solo play more than PKM did.

 

[frajaq]

I know people are thinking about builds for their main characters but I'm curious if there are rough ones made for the companions yet? Who is most indicated to be the Trap Disarmer and Perception guy so far?

 

[Stoned Ape]

And that merging is only Lich ability or do different Mythics get ability to merge with different classes?

The only other mythic that can merge is angel, which can do so with cleric or oracle.

 

[Desiderius]

I know people are thinking about builds for their main characters but I'm curious if there are rough ones made for the companions yet? Who is most indicated to be the Trap Disarmer and Perception guy so far?

Wolj/Cam/Aru

Seelah in a pinch strangely.

Most companions aren’t really set up very well for multi-classing.

 

[Saravan]

 

[The_Mask]

Imagine having fun with an RPG in the 2020s?

 

[Lamiosa]

FYI, at least according to 4chan anons, demon has an equivalent to Favourable Magic

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and with this

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+ aspect of brimorak that gives damage per die you get a pretty strong caster

There are some defensive aspects too. A skald build with you giving rage and demon rage to a melee party (really good in this game with crusaders edge and some skald items) seems pretty strong and thematic for demon path.

 

[Humbaba]

"Now let's say, for the sake of argument, you rolled a fighter and you gave him optimal stats at the start. Y'know, max strength, high CON etc. Sounds pretty good right? Well, what the regressive left would have us believe is that such a build is complete fine and viable. FUN even! However, facts do NOT care about your fun: It has been proven scientifically, that without an optimal build you cannot POSSIBLY play through any cRPG and have any semblance of fun. Has the left never heard of this little thing called opportunity cost? Do these people have no notion of efficiency at ALL? This sort of ideology will raise a generation of children and young males, who think that playing on anything below the hardest difficulty is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. These morons are destroying western civilization. This post-modern neo-marxist line of thinking NEEDS to stop."

 

[ArchAngel]

FYI, at least according to 4chan anons, demon has an equivalent to Favourable Magic

Spoiler

and with this

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+ aspect of brimorak that gives damage per die you get a pretty strong caster

There are some defensive aspects too. A skald build with you giving rage and demon rage to a melee party (really good in this game with crusaders edge and some skald items) seems pretty strong and thematic for demon path.

Sounds good for NE Demon Druid :D

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Delterius Desiderius Any idea how caster level would work for an Ecclesitheurge with a merged spellbook? For curiosities sake, how about a hypothetical Feyspeaker Druid/Fey Bloodline Sorcerer, gone Ecclesitheurge with a merged Trickster mythic path spellbook. How would the caster level for arcane/divine work with that?

 

[Desiderius]

"Now let's say, for the sake of argument, you rolled a fighter and you gave him optimal stats at the start. Y'know, max strength, high CON etc. Sounds pretty good right? Well, what the regressive left would have us believe is that such a build is complete fine and viable. FUN even! However, facts do NOT care about your fun: It has been proven scientifically, that without an optimal build you cannot POSSIBLY play through any cRPG and have any semblance of fun. Has the left never heard of this little thing called opportunity cost? Do these people have no notion of efficiency at ALL? This sort of ideology will raise a generation of children and young males, who think that playing on anything below the hardest difficulty is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. These morons are destroying western civilization. This post-modern neo-marxist line of thinking NEEDS to stop."

Of all the avatars in all the world you choose Pagan’s. That’s really remarkably bad taste, I’ve gotta hand it to you, er, Blackshirt. Might want to check again, looking pretty brown from here.

And as midwits like Shapiro do you’re getting confused. I use opportunity costs to illustrate how badly the maxminners suck at these games so people don’t feel bad about playing their “RP” builds that end up kicking the maxminners asses.

That’s what makes the design great. If the, um, Guardian can’t get that through his thick skull I’m good with that.

 

[Desiderius]

Delterius Desiderius Any idea how caster level would work for an Ecclesitheurge with a merged spellbook? For curiosities sake, how about a hypothetical Feyspeaker Druid/Fey Bloodline Sorcerer, gone Ecclesitheurge with a merged Trickster mythic path spellbook. How would the caster level for arcane/divine work with that?

You mean Mystic Theurge. Don’t really need what MT brings to the table in Wrath since you get more rests and you’re already getting more spells than you know what to do with from the Merged Spellbook.

 

[LannTheStupid]

To be honest, I made Tristian a Mystic Theurge (because I am a firm believer in Youtube build guides), and he has too many spells with too low DC. And there were other buff bots in the party (like Linzi), so in the end I would have preferred Tristian to do more than buffing.

However, I knew that at some point he had to leave us forever, so in general it was good learning experience.

So even in Kingmaker there is the case with too many spells that are too weak to be useful.

 

[Shadenuat]

The memes would have worked if you really did need "best" (whatever that is in the world of bajilion classes and kits) party and minmaxing to beat Unfair, but reality is you can roll any "fun" build and still win. The only requirement is that you pilot your party competently.

 

[Percy]

The best mystic theurge is an Oracle angel MC with the spontaneous casting spell rings

 

[Xamenos]

However, I knew that at some point he had to leave us forever, so in general it was good learning experience.

You know this is not mandatory, right?

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Delterius Desiderius Any idea how caster level would work for an Ecclesitheurge with a merged spellbook? For curiosities sake, how about a hypothetical Feyspeaker Druid/Fey Bloodline Sorcerer, gone Ecclesitheurge with a merged Trickster mythic path spellbook. How would the caster level for arcane/divine work with that?

You mean Mystic Theurge. Don’t really need what MT brings to the table in Wrath since you get more rests and you’re already getting more spells than you know what to do with from the Merged Spellbook.

Yes, I did mean mystic theurge. I think I realized the answer to my own question though. Mythic spellbook merging goes to a base class, not prestige. So if you merged spellbooks on a mystic theurge, one spellcasting class (arcane or divine) would be "caught up" to your character level, while the other would function as a bonus. It would be cool if you could apply it to the mystic theurge directly though. Everything else in WotR seems broken enough already. It wouldn't be out of place.

 

[LannTheStupid]

You know this is not mandatory, right?

It's actually a challenge for me: play a character who can plausibly spare Tristian. Haven't done it yet.

 

[Xamenos]

You know this is not mandatory, right?

It's actually a challenge for me: play a character who can plausibly spare Tristian. Haven't done it yet.

So you always play Evil characters?

 

[Percy]

You know this is not mandatory, right?

It's actually a challenge for me: play a character who can plausibly spare Tristian. Haven't done it yet.

A very horny gay

 

[Desiderius]

Delterius Desiderius Any idea how caster level would work for an Ecclesitheurge with a merged spellbook? For curiosities sake, how about a hypothetical Feyspeaker Druid/Fey Bloodline Sorcerer, gone Ecclesitheurge with a merged Trickster mythic path spellbook. How would the caster level for arcane/divine work with that?

You mean Mystic Theurge. Don’t really need what MT brings to the table in Wrath since you get more rests and you’re already getting more spells than you know what to do with from the Merged Spellbook.

Yes, I did mean mystic theurge. I think I realized the answer to my own question though. Mythic spellbook merging goes to a base class, not prestige. So if you merged spellbooks on a mystic theurge, one spellcasting class (arcane or divine) would be "caught up" to your character level, while the other would function as a bonus. It would be cool if you could apply it to the mystic theurge directly though. Everything else in WotR seems broken enough already. It wouldn't be out of place.

Its not broken man, not close. All kinds of ways to get tons of spells, hard part is landing them.

 

[Desiderius]

The memes would have worked if you really did need "best" (whatever that is in the world of bajilion classes and kits) party and minmaxing to beat Unfair, but reality is you can roll any "fun" build and still win. The only requirement is that you pilot your party competently.

That’s the point that gets people messed up. A lot of the memes in fact make you worse than just an RP build/group. I’m explaining why they’re not that good (so people don’t think they have to splash or whatever, they can just play the class they like) and ankle-biter morans think I’m minmaxxing and powergaming.

 

[Humbaba]

Of all the avatars in all the world you choose Pagan’s. That’s really remarkably bad taste.

No I choose Black Gate's, which is really good taste I'm sure you'll agree.

 

[LannTheStupid]

You know this is not mandatory, right?

It's actually a challenge for me: play a character who can plausibly spare Tristian. Haven't done it yet.

So you always play Evil characters?

You are correct; but I cannot come up with the justification how a Neutral character can spare him, either.

Well, may be I need to play a CN and make decisions by flipping a coin. A good idea!

 

[Humbaba]

You are correct; but I cannot come up with the justification how a Neutral character can spare him, either.

Well, may be I need to play a CN and make decisions by flipping a coin. A good idea!

I don't get why it's so hard for you to forgive a guy, who was clearly coerced to do what he did. He gets struck blind for his "betrayal" too, so justice would be served even by the standards of any lawful alignment.