Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Desiderius]

However, for authentic experience you can check "Black Book". It has minuscule budget, but is a true Russian game which does not try to pander to Western expectations.

Purchased with Solastra refund. Thanks, bigot!

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Getting a second spellcasting only a couple of levels behind your primary spellcasting class without any set-backs is pretty damn good. An Azata mystic theurge using Favorable Magic, Zippy Magic, and anything which improves spell penetration could have some serious endurance. No more would you be filling time between when you need to cast spells. You could simply cast every action from dawn till dusk. Going mystic theurge would effectively allow you to double your spellbook without any loss of CL. If abundant casting applies to all casting classes, and not one, then it's even crazier. A character could end up with something like quadruple spells, that cast twice when single target, at which enemies have disadvantage. All at no loss to CL.

It's not 'only a couple of levels behind' it's delaying your spells for your primary class by at least three (or possibly 4) levels. Unless you're an Angel or a Lich with merged books you will never get access to level 9 spells. It will have the azata 'pseudo rest' spell to keep you casting forever, I suppose, but losing out -3 or -4 on caster level checks will hurt against a lot of magic resistant targets, even if you have spell penetration.

If you really want to go for it, then an Angel oracle (4-6)/sorcerer (4-6)/mystic theurge 10 with merged spell books would probably be more effective than an azata, as would a Lich Sorcerer (4-6)/Oracle (4-6)/MT 10.

No it wouldn't. If merging the spellbook works as other have described, then all the delay in CL of one of your spellcasting classes will be undone once the spellbook is merged. Your second class would lag as normal, but it would entirely bonus. Getting >3/4 progression on your secondary spellcasting class, at no detriment to the 1st. Its all upside.

 

[Delterius]

if you're a sorcerer angel you already are a sorcerer (20CL) and Angel (cleric spellbook, 20CL). why would you even bother with mystic theurge then? abundant casting already gives you so many spells it isn't funny.

 

[LannTheStupid]

However, for authentic experience you can check "Black Book". It has minuscule budget, but is a true Russian game which does not try to pander to Western expectations.

Purchased with Solastra refund. Thanks, bigot!

1. What's wrong with Solasta?
2. Well, if you play the game you would probably learn that "universal human values" are not so universal as the West taught you.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Pope Amole II AKA Nerd Commando posted quite an extensive rant about Wrath of the Righteous. It is 2 hours and 12 minutes, so I will download the mp3 and listen on a walk. However, if anyone is curious it's here:

 

[Kaivokz]

why would you even bother with mystic theurge then? abundant casting already gives you so many spells it

Doesn’t theurge give you the ability to cast two spells with one action? If you have an abundance of spells, doubling your rate of casting seems like a significant power increase. I don’t know how mystic theurge is implemented or if that ability has a cooldown, but suppose with higher DC you have 80% chance of full success, with a lower DC you have 60%: casting two lower DC spells still gives you a higher chance of one succeeding fully (1 - .4*.4 = 84%). Spells that don’t offer saves would just be a direct increase in power.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Getting a second spellcasting only a couple of levels behind your primary spellcasting class without any set-backs is pretty damn good. An Azata mystic theurge using Favorable Magic, Zippy Magic, and anything which improves spell penetration could have some serious endurance. No more would you be filling time between when you need to cast spells. You could simply cast every action from dawn till dusk. Going mystic theurge would effectively allow you to double your spellbook without any loss of CL. If abundant casting applies to all casting classes, and not one, then it's even crazier. A character could end up with something like quadruple spells, that cast twice when single target, at which enemies have disadvantage. All at no loss to CL.

It's not 'only a couple of levels behind' it's delaying your spells for your primary class by at least three (or possibly 4) levels. Unless you're an Angel or a Lich with merged books you will never get access to level 9 spells. It will have the azata 'pseudo rest' spell to keep you casting forever, I suppose, but losing out -3 or -4 on caster level checks will hurt against a lot of magic resistant targets, even if you have spell penetration.

If you really want to go for it, then an Angel oracle (4-6)/sorcerer (4-6)/mystic theurge 10 with merged spell books would probably be more effective than an azata, as would a Lich Sorcerer (4-6)/Oracle (4-6)/MT 10.

No it wouldn't. If merging the spellbook works as other have described, then all the delay in CL of one of your spellcasting classes will be undone once the spellbook is merged. Your second class would lag as normal, but it would entirely bonus. Getting >3/4 progression on your secondary spellcasting class, at no detriment to the 1st. Its all upside.

If you choose Azata as you initially suggest, then you don't get to merge spell books, which is why I suggested going for one of the two mythic paths which can.

Even if you do merge spellbooks, you will be a caster level down for around 3 levels compared to a single-classed caster (between 6th and 8th) as you gain mythic ranks before you can pick one of the merging classes. You also lose the benefits of sorc bloodline powers, oracle mysteries, wizard school powers, and cleric 8th level domain upgrades.

Regardless, a single class Angel Oracle/Cleric or Sorc/Wiz will always be at least 3-4 levels above you (getting more spells per day compared to the MT's ability to cast from either it's sorc/wiz or ora/clr class, depending AND having better spell pen AND more powerful spell effects due to caster level).

 

[Stoned Ape]

For example at 10th character level, 5th mythic rank:

Pure Sorc/lich: arcane caster level 15, bloodline powers and feats up to 10th level.

Lich Mystic Theurge 2 sorc 4/oracle 4 arcane caster level 11/oracle 6. Bloodline powers at 4th level.

 

[Thonius]

Guys! Rate my build!
Warrior Fighter 20lvl. Longsword and heater shield. Human. Male. White.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

and heater shield

What, are you some sort of pansy? 2H or bust.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Stoned Ape I did not realize only select spellbooks merge. Too bad that the Azata doesn't. I'm not concerned about the "loss" of early higher tier spell access from merging. As long as no CL is lost, its of no consequence. Mythic stuff starts kicking in around level 3 right? If so, not concerned about the lag to get a MT build up to speed.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Stoned Ape I did not realize only select spellbooks merge. Too bad that the Azata doesn't. I'm not concerned about the "loss" of early higher tier spell access from merging. As long as no CL is lost, its of no consequence. Mythic stuff starts kicking in around level 3 right? If so, not concerned about the lag to get a MT build up to speed.

Mythic speelbook kicks in at mythic rank 3, which is around character level 8 or so, I think.

 

[Delterius]

For example at 10th character level, 5th mythic rank:

Pure Sorc/lich: arcane caster level 15, bloodline powers and feats up to 10th level.

Lich Mystic Theurge 2 sorc 4/oracle 4 arcane caster level 11/oracle 6. Bloodline powers at 4th level.

Or

Cleric / Lich, Arcane caster level 10, divine caster level 10

Sorcerer / Angel, same deal

Doesn’t theurge give you the ability to cast two spells with one action?

Nope. That's the real bummer. And even then are you really gonna hold out for a super late class feature, by the time of which you'll have been casting 1) free action spell 2) one standard spell 3) a quickened spell as swift action every turn for hours?

 

[fantadomat]

How is the hype going on,bros ?

 

[Delterius]

How is the hype going on,bros ?

i have the shakes

 

[fantadomat]

How is the hype going on,bros ?

i have the shakes

This month will be glorious,lets hope that it will be because of the games not because of some political garbage.

King's bounty,pathfinder,encased,gamedeck also we just had black book.It is good year for sure,the goty thread will be fun too....i hope.

 

[Cryomancer]

Warrior Fighter 20lvl. Longsword and heater shield. Human. Male. White.

RAte my.
Elemental Specialist(Water). no weapon. Dhampir. Male. White. Lich/Trickster/Azata(din't decided yet)

 

[Efe]

dont promote nerdcommando videos please

 

[Desiderius]

However, for authentic experience you can check "Black Book". It has minuscule budget, but is a true Russian game which does not try to pander to Western expectations.

Purchased with Solastra refund. Thanks, bigot!

1. What's wrong with Solasta?
2. Well, if you play the game you would probably learn that "universal human values" are not so universal as the West taught you.

Well of course you're a bigot too which is why you insist on talking to this banal caricature in your head instead of the flesh and blood morans in this forum.

But the bigot I was referring to is the Solasta guy. I was just starting out the game when he decided he needed to come to this forum unprompted to inform me that in his opinion I was genocidal, so I returned his product.

 

[Desiderius]

dont promote nerdcommando videos please

I am curious what he's complaining about tho. Fill us in LannTheStupid.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I need to plot a 2 hours route for that.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Thinking of using an edited version of this pic as a portrait for a bastard sword wielding Dhampir Legend, Slayer 20/Horse-riding something 20 (probably cavalier, maybe sohei... not entirely sure TBH)



Just a shame I can't figure out a way to make his horse cybernetic and his left hand talk condescendingly and do weird shit.

Edit: maybe go sacred huntsmaster as the second class for the nice hat.

 

[Shadenuat]

dont promote nerdcommando videos please

I am curious what he's complaining about tho. Fill us in LannTheStupid.

"I didnt make channel for money but I am going to spend half an hour complaining about money, and how (yet another) game lead I made whole game for is an asshole and paid me pathetic 666$/month (a pay many ukrainians would kill for in these times tbh), and utub only gives me a pathetic extra 70$/month and I need to pay my freelance artists from DNR; and it's all russian fault cause russians use adblock (inserts stick into his own front bicycle wheel).
I dont want to make pathfinder videos because game is too grognard ("This is next level grognardism. beyond grog." (i hope Owlcats put this on the box cover/review pictures) and has too many classes, but I will because Pathfinder content generates most of money on my channel
anyway, now for the pathfinder classes I dont want to talk about... (gives a yosharian revio) "

It's hard to live as misunderstood genius and all that.

 

[Desiderius]

It's hard to live as misunderstood genius and all that.

Here's something I made just for him:

 

[Cyberarmy]

Dhampir Legend, Slayer 20/Horse-riding something 20 (probably cavalier, maybe sohei... not entirely sure TBH)

All you need is Lord Soth

Damn now I had to play as some kind of deathknight :/