Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Shadenuat]

It's hard to live as misunderstood genius and all that.

maxminer

He's not bad at games at all, great really (well except times when he has to realise his own genius ideas and people don't like them = everyone is rong). But imagine like 5 days before game you worked on comes out and u make a video where, AGAIN (this is not first time I think) you begin Avelloning about how devs of game are shit etc. and that you'd rather make videos on Biggest Game (Wrath) instead.

What an absolute unit.

I doubt he finished PK or will finish Wrath tho, so I don't find his theory builds useful because of how much a build depends on the meta of the game (like say, items; and understanding when and what challenges you face in game).

But yes I remember his builds doing things like dumping STR to minimum so a halfling tank would be encumbered by their own potions etc.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

if you're a sorcerer angel you already are a sorcerer (20CL) and Angel (cleric spellbook, 20CL). why would you even bother with mystic theurge then? abundant casting already gives you so many spells it isn't funny.

Going MT could give you 20 CL in Arcane/Divine/Mythic, with doubled benefit for abundant spells. Am I alone here? UNLIMITED POWER!

 

[Humbaba]

Thinking of using an edited version of this pic as a portrait for a bastard sword wielding Dhampir Legend, Slayer 20/Horse-riding something 20 (probably cavalier, maybe sohei... not entirely sure TBH)



Just a shame I can't figure out a way to make his horse cybernetic and his left hand talk condescendingly and do weird shit.

Edit: maybe go sacred huntsmaster as the second class for the nice hat.

This artwork is new age trash, I suggest using artwork by master artists like Frank Frazetta

Ken Kelly's good too, or anybody who's done D&D artwork in the past like Jeff Easly.

 

[Delterius]

How is the hype going on,bros ?

i have the shakes

who rated this optimistic

come out you coward

 

[gurugeorge]

Nerd Commando's done an initial overview of some builds stuff in game (PF:WoTR stuff starts at 30 mins).

Mainly related to the Skald, Brown-Fur Transmuter and a few other (as he sees it) hilariously OP force multipliers, like multiple stackable aura-type powers from other sub-classes (e.g. Alchemist's "incense" bard-a-like, a Judgment-aura spreading Inquisitor sub-class, etc.).

 

[Tacgnol]

Damn now I had to play as some kind of deathknight :/

You need the Knight of Sepulchre archetype for the Antipaladin for that.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/al...tipaladin-archetypes/knight-of-the-sepulcher/

Not content with the antipaladin’s mere corruption of the soul, the knight of the sepulcher sacrifices mortality along with morality.

Pretty much the perfect death knight class. Maybe someone will implement it with a mod.

 

[Cyberarmy]

You need the Knight of Sepulchre archetype for the Antipaladin for that.

Eldritch scion lich is enough for me. Or maybe an oracle lich dunno.

 

[Desiderius]

Nerd Commando's done an initial overview of some builds stuff in game (PF:WoTR stuff starts at 30 mins).

Mainly related to the Skald, Brown-Fur Transmuter and a few other (as he sees it) hilariously OP force multipliers, like multiple stackable aura-type powers from other sub-classes (e.g. Alchemist's "incense" bard-a-like, a Judgment-aura spreading Inquisitor sub-class, etc.).

Good to see he’s followed my work. Much harder to put a team like that together from the Wrath companions than those in P:K, and really nothing compares to BooterBarb Amiri with Inspire Ferocity powered by abundant Dinosaur Bones and Oversized Weapons.

 

[Desiderius]

You need the Knight of Sepulchre archetype for the Antipaladin for that.

Eldritch scion lich is enough for me. Or maybe an oracle lich dunno.

Only Lich can Merge INT-spellbook so I’d think you’re priced in there. Eldritch Font or Gnome Special Arcanist seems like a good way to go. Metamagic the Spellbook then Spontaneously spam it.

 

[Cryomancer]

Can Lich merge with Sage Sorcerer? They are spontaneous casters but INT based.

 

[Desiderius]

Should be able to Merge with either CHR or INT.

 

[Shadenuat]

shame I can't figure out a way to make his horse cybernetic and his left hand talk condescendingly

use Amano art.

Spoiler

 

[Shadenuat]

btw Desuman I think you spread confusion when you try to argue that RP builds are "superior". You can create competent RP builds but I think when most ppl think of RP they think of larping, not of "thinking out of the box" or playing classes that people think are shit but turn out to be ok; ie actively putting constraints on yourself. For example, I plan to play druid with a club. A reach weapon would obviously be better for druid who can enlarge, but I think neanderthal with club is funny, and even if there is a special, reach weapon for druids in game, that does +500 damage against FUCKING TECHNOCRACY and has naked wolf girls engraved on it I'd still keep the club to keep with the theme - that's the point of doing something in style. And in Wrath meta it still would be better to roll saint or alchemist or whatever - that is, if you want to have a boring game, and not actually play all the funny shit developers put in there 4 u to enjoy.

Oh right, I checked that hag thread on owlcat forums. p amazing, whole steam crowd there, from sorcerer absolutists and beyond.

anyway, it doesn't even matter what's inside the egg at all. what matters is the process of opening the chocolate egg and wait of discover what there might have be.

 

[Percy]

if you're a sorcerer angel you already are a sorcerer (20CL) and Angel (cleric spellbook, 20CL). why would you even bother with mystic theurge then? abundant casting already gives you so many spells it isn't funny.

Going MT could give you 20 CL in Arcane/Divine/Mythic, with doubled benefit for abundant spells. Am I alone here? UNLIMITED POWER!View attachment 20479

It'd still be a very fun build after the initial suckiness at the lower levels and fun is the point of the game.

 

[Technomancer]

I am curious what he's complaining about tho.

Lots of water. Main point is that gamedev is expensive, especially RPGs. And even with cheap russian salaries Owlcat had to cut corners. Which they did by recycling existing classes into a multitude of samey, underwhelming and boring archetypes. Almost everything is so trashy it would be better cut down and have fewer but more unique and powerful classes.

 

[Desiderius]

if you're a sorcerer angel you already are a sorcerer (20CL) and Angel (cleric spellbook, 20CL). why would you even bother with mystic theurge then? abundant casting already gives you so many spells it isn't funny.

Going MT could give you 20 CL in Arcane/Divine/Mythic, with doubled benefit for abundant spells. Am I alone here? UNLIMITED POWER!View attachment 20479

It'd still be a very fun build after the initial suckiness at the lower levels and fun is the point of the game.

It was fun playing my Waves Mystery Oracle and then the Angel Merge fell on top of it and obsoleted all the spells I’d planned my build around, so that wasn’t quite so much fun.

 

[Desiderius]

I am curious what he's complaining about tho.

Lots of water. Main point is that gamedev is expensive, especially RPGs. And even with cheap russian salaries Owlcat had to cut corners. Which they did by recycling existing classes into a multitude of samey, underwhelming and boring archetypes. Almost everything is so trashy it would be better cut down and have fewer but more unique and powerful classes.

Nah once you get into playing the classes you find they all have their unique features and play patterns. NC always struck me as a guy who liked to theorize rather than jumping in there and trying shit out.

 

[LannTheStupid]

dont promote nerdcommando videos please

I am curious what he's complaining about tho. Fill us in LannTheStupid.

Well, I'm back.

In general - pretty much what Shadenuat said, but I have my two (three, four, several) cents to add.

First - Pope Amole II has complicated love/hate relationship with Owlcat Games. He thinks that Wrath will absolutely roflstomp any other game of this genre to the extent that he was arguing with Encased development team that launching the game 5 days after Wrath is, basically, suicidal. He still hates the games from Owlcats. However, he sent his CV for the position of a senior game designer to them.

Second - speaking about "Avelloning" and cancel culture. Dear MCA has been cancelled for some kind of "relationship" with a fan girl on a convention, which was deemed "inappropriate" enough. Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. And such a person has not been cancelled, but is trying to land a remote job with some Western development studio. That's Nerd commando for ya.

Third - his love/hate relationship with Owlcat Games games makes the video kind of enlightening. Mostly in a sense that "they are morons to add so many classes, oh wait, they introduced completely broken mechanic of aura stacking, but they are morons anyway and are spending money for trash that distracts players, oh wait, there is this broken class that makes powerful personal buffs applicable to the party, but their companions are poorly built garbage, oh wait, there is this succubus with ideal stats for her build". Personally, I found some insights there.

Fourth - "if you want to play with companions play on story difficulty".

So it's a pretty entertaining rant. I would not discard his ideas right away; after all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. [...] That's Nerd commando for ya.

 

[Shadenuat]

yeeeeaaaaah i would't call freelancers from DNR equivalent of taliban

 

[Technomancer]

they all have they’re unique features and play patterns

I agree with him to some extend. Like some subclasses were added simply to fill in the space and are very boring, basically reuse the codebase from kingmaker classes to form a lame redundant hybrid. Would prefer if there were more unique options with less recycling. So many crazy things in source. I guess work time needed to go into the mythics.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

yeeeeaaaaah i would't call freelancers from DNR equivalent of taliban

That's what it was about? Lol.

How evil, imagine supporting people who do not want to be the slaves of a state jointly ruled by banderovtsy and Western-leaning hohol liberashkas. Nerd commando is literally Hitler. /s

 

[Shadenuat]

they all have they’re unique features and play patterns

I agree with him to some extend. Like some classes were added simply to fill in the space and are very boring, basically reuse the codebase from kingmaker classes to form a lame redundant hybrid. Would prefer if there were more unique options with less recycling. I guess work time needed to go into the mythics.

Classes are different from each other. Kits aren't as much, but they are more of a different flavour just like in PnP. You exchange 1 or 2 things for another. They are definitely not kits from BG2, but for that you have well classes (berserker = barb, kensai = duelist or sword saint).

An equivalent of IE-style difference would be, well remember Avenger druid who could turn into Sword Spider that would rape first tutorial dungeon alone? Imagine a kit in PK that would allow you to turn into Swarm starting level 1. That's how different things played in IE.

Anyway, at this point it's hard to judge classes and even kits in Wrath because game basically turned into single player Path of Exile. You'd want to drag into review all the "when X uses item and does Y, Z happens" equipment and Mythics on top of it all to paint any picture of what your playthrough would look like.

He thinks that Wrath will absolutely roflstomp any other game of this genre to the extent that he was arguing with Encased development team that launching the game 5 days after Wrath is, basically, suicidal

He's probably correct.

Although, there are some people who well just kinda hate IE style games and all the baldursgates and even Fantasy and might gravitate towards any sci-fi or Fallout-derivative game out there.
Also, traditional RPG players generally check on all oldschool games, while casuals would eat maybe one per season or just play Diablo 2 remaster. And those wouldn't be interested in Encased anyway.

 

[fantadomat]

Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. [...] That's Nerd commando for ya.

Sounds pretty chad to me. Better to support talibanoboyz than coca cola. At least with talibanoboyz you get the satisfaction of watching them kill kwans and be smug that it is your money at work. While cola will just give you cancer and painful death while spending your gibz on trannies for children initiative.

 

[Desiderius]

they all have they’re unique features and play patterns

I agree with him to some extend. Like some subclasses were added simply to fill in the space and are very boring, basically reuse the codebase from kingmaker classes to form a lame redundant hybrid. Would prefer if there were more unique options with less recycling. So many crazy things in source. I guess work time needed to go into the mythics.

No specifics not serious.