Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Desiderius]

Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. [...] That's Nerd commando for ya.

Sounds pretty chad to me. Better to support talibanoboyz than coca cola. At least with talibanoboyz you get the satisfaction of watching them kill kwans and be smug that it is your money at work. While cola will just give you cancer and painful death while spending your gibz on trannies for children initiative.

They're not killing kwans tho.

Coke does suck hard.

 

[Shadenuat]

Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. [...] That's Nerd commando for ya.

Sounds pretty chad to me. Better to support talibanoboyz than coca cola. At least with talibanoboyz you get the satisfaction of watching them kill kwans and be smug that it is your money at work. While cola will just give you cancer and painful death while spending your gibz on trannies for children initiative.

There's nothing "chad" or funny about any of this.

Pope has some friends that are locked in a hellhole between 2 nations, a pro-Russian one. Just like, say, my relatives (uncle, his wife & 2 loli) got used to armtillery barrages in Lugansk-around region. Or another guy of mine lives in Odessa for example but freelances for Russia - it's good money. This is how our two nations are intertwined, ask anyone, and someone has friends or relatives somewhere.

 

[Desiderius]

btw Desuman I think you spread confusion when you try to argue that RP builds are "superior". You can create competent RP builds but I think when most ppl think of RP they think of larping, not of "thinking out of the box" or playing classes that people think are shit but turn out to be ok; ie actively putting constraints on yourself. For example, I plan to play druid with a club. A reach weapon would obviously be better for druid who can enlarge, but I think neanderthal with club is funny, and even if there is a special, reach weapon for druids in game, that does +500 damage against FUCKING TECHNOCRACY and has naked wolf girls engraved on it I'd still keep the club to keep with the theme - that's the point of doing something in style. And in Wrath meta it still would be better to roll saint or alchemist or whatever - that is, if you want to have a boring game, and not actually play all the funny shit developers put in there 4 u to enjoy.

Oh right, I checked that hag thread on owlcat forums. p amazing, whole steam crowd there, from sorcerer absolutists and beyond.

anyway, it doesn't even matter what's inside the egg at all. what matters is the process of opening the chocolate egg and wait of discover what there might have be.

The meta is an indeterminate number of optima. Max minners can't deal. The hallmark of great design. Nonlinearity.

There's a busted Club for sale in Drezen. You can literally make just about anything good if you avail yourself of the available resources. There are that many. Granted that Shillelagh is missing, so there's that. And Eldritch Archer is still mailed in. Strangely still very good tho.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Pope has some friends that are locked in a hellhole between 2 nations, a pro-Russian one.

And who's to blame for that? The people for defending themselves from a state that no longer represents their interests and acts as a dictatorship of the majority or the politruks in Kiev who don't give a shit about them, their culture or their political views? A frozen conflict is shit for all the sides involved, but the solution rests in reaching a fair settlement (whether large autonomy with a right to secession guaranteed if Ukraine joins EU and/or NATO or a federalization of the whole Ukraine which gives ample representation to the Russian minority so that it remains a neutral state unless both sides decide to swing the same way geopolitically).

But lets not derail the thread. Hope that your relatives are doing fine.

 

[Desiderius]

Pope has some friends that are locked in a hellhole between 2 nations, a pro-Russian one. Just like, say, my relatives (uncle, his wife & 2 loli) got used to armtillery barrages in Lugansk-around region. Or another guy of mine lives in Odessa for example but freelances for Russia - it's good money. This is how our two nations are intertwined, ask anyone, and someone has friends or relatives somewhere.

Unfortunately you're both the victims of McCainiac Cold War Deadenders who want to keep living in the style to which they've become accustomed so are screwing all three countries and getting paid handsomely by the armsmakers to do it.

 

[fantadomat]

Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. [...] That's Nerd commando for ya.

Sounds pretty chad to me. Better to support talibanoboyz than coca cola. At least with talibanoboyz you get the satisfaction of watching them kill kwans and be smug that it is your money at work. While cola will just give you cancer and painful death while spending your gibz on trannies for children initiative.

There's nothing "chad" or funny about any of this.

Pope has some friends that are locked in a hellhole between 2 nations, a pro-Russian one. Just like, say, my relatives (uncle, his wife & 2 loli) got used to armtillery barrages in Lugansk-around region. Or another guy of mine lives in Odessa for example but freelances for Russia - it's good money. This is how our two nations are intertwined, ask anyone, and someone has friends or relatives somewhere.

The fuck i care about that shit?! Nobody beat them over the head to go in to a danger zone lol. Ohhh no you know someone that knows someone that kind off took a risk in his life and failed. Lets all,collectively ban afganistan because some foreign fuck got fucked in it. Yeah a mate of mine splattered himself by parachute jumping,we should ban all talk about planes and then ban planes too!

 

[Desiderius]

"if you want to play with companions play on story difficulty".

I would not discard his ideas right away

Srsly? Why wouldn't I?

 

[Technomancer]

No specifics not serious.

I mean boring things like armored battlemage and devilbane priest. Filler stuff that is easy to do. Swap some code around - class done. Dragonheir scions, mutation warriors, hexcrafters. Meh, wasted slots. I guess MW works for roleplay if you want to make a witcher but still, they just paste exiting class features to produce mediocre hybrids. Can achieve similar results with multi, maybe even better. I just explored a lot of archetypes in source and there were options that were much more interesting. I would swap devilbane for undead lord any day. Whatever, no point in discussing it, it is done.

And recycle/keep things cheap was basically a design choice from the start

Can it be done without sacrificing other features? Some archetypes are incredibly bulky and large, mechanically heavy. Some differ from their parent classes more than some classes do. We need to make the archetypes, fix bugs in them afterward if there will be some (and there will be). Sadly this means that some of the most “expensive” (measuring development time) archetypes have fewer chances to be implemented than others.

 

[Desiderius]

There's no point in discussing it because in general you're wrong. The exact classes you've mentioned here have the most subtle but meaningful edges for what you're trying to do in this setting.

Well except for Mutation Warrior which is just stupid along with Primalist Bloodrager. But in general they really hit it out of the park on the subclasses, but I guess most credit on that goes to Paizo.

 

[Technomancer]

The exact classes you've mentioned here have the most subtle but meaningful edges

Can you share more? Never played the beta so I can only read source, maybe some things were altered to be more useful in digital version. What edge devilbane gives you in game?

 

[Desiderius]

The exact classes you've mentioned here have the most subtle but meaningful edges

Can you share more? Never played the beta so I can only read source, maybe some things were altered to be more useful in digital version. What edge devilbane gives you in game?

You trade one Domain with Diminished Casting (like Sword Saint and Crusader) for Heavy Armor Proficiency, Knowledge (Arcana) per lvl/2, and Two Feats (either TW or Spell Pen)

The game has some great Heavy Armor but only two companions (both Lawlful) who can wear it (technically three, but she's ranged - can eventually end up in melee range but not from beginning) and being able to go balls out STR is a good benefit for a Cleric who wants to fight and they definitely have the tools to do so effectively in Wrath. Sos is dominant and he comes with three Feats more or less blown on Med Armor Focus, Selective and Extra Channeling. You're a net five Feats ahead of Sosiel to build things however you want. You'll always want Outflank and if you're casting at all - even a Prayer before bashing - you want the Spell Pen Feats.

The most subtle but valuable is the Arcana. With all those extra Feats you can pick up Scroll Scribing and leave Nenio home and you don't start with a Bard so Bardic Knowledge isn't a thing. During Beta all stats have been visible but that won't be the case on release and this thing ticks up to +10. You're always on the lookout for these passive skills bonuses, they're really good. Also the check for harvesting reagents and some important plot points.

 

[Shadenuat]

The fuck

It wasn't specifically for you, don't worry. I remember that you are on a completely different level, and require a specific amount of alcohol imbibed to make any deals with. Maybe with a few sacrifices as well.

You trade one Domain with Diminished Casting (like Sword Saint and Crusader) for Heavy Armor Proficiency, Knowledge (Arcana) per lvl/2, and Two Feats (either TW or Spell Pen)

So uh
is that better than Crusader or

I'll just roll a standard cleric a witch.

 

[santino27]

Last playthrough before release is an Azata Master of All (half-elf obviously), with some splashes because I just can't help myself (currently 1 lvl of bloodrager because celestial bloodline's lvl 1 ability is kind of a no-brainer... may add a handful of fighter levels too for a bit of weapon training/armour mastery, but not sure yet). Keeping the companions all pure except for Woljif who I'm giving some vivi levels for infusions.

Keeping the stupid arsonists from burning down buildings in the grey garrison defense is weirdly difficult in TB mode, especially when RNG keeps giving them 9 dmg hits. Luckily, having both the forge and tavern "die" didn't seem to do a thing or impact the xp/item rewards.

Enjoying this playthrough more than my 2-hander front line guy. Will probably stick with it for the first playthrough of release.

 

[Humbaba]

Ukraine is rightful Tatar clay. Speaking of which, how come there is no badass horse archer class?

 

[Desiderius]

The fuck

It wasn't specifically for you, don't worry. I remember that you are on a completely different level, and require a specific amount of alcohol imbibed to make any deals with. Maybe with a few sacrifices as well.

You trade one Domain with Diminished Casting (like Sword Saint and Crusader) for Heavy Armor Proficiency, Knowledge (Arcana) per lvl/2, and Two Feats (either TW or Spell Pen)

So uh
is that better than Crusader or

I'll just roll a standard cleric a witch.

Sos is so good because of his Swift Domain abilities so if you like that action economy base Clerk is better. Swift actions are harder to use in RTwP so if you’re more inclined to beat face with a Great Sword or put together a Shield Wall phalanx with Seelah Devilbane is probably better, especially if you want to Scribe Divine scrolls.

I like it better than Crusader I think unless you want to Shield Bash. It’s close. You can just take Abundant then use the bonus Feats for Spell Pen and set yourself up for casting the Angel Superfear cone and other Necro spells I guess.

 

[Mortmal]

Can Lich merge with Sage Sorcerer? They are spontaneous casters but INT based.

But why a sage sorcerer instead of an arcanist or exploiter wizard...You want that juicy metamagic.

 

[axedice]

2 quick questions about the martyr subclass (paladin) :

1) Can they still use mark of justice without smite?

2) Does the self bleed damage from stigmata activate the mythic feat enforced vigor?

 

[ArchAngel]

Second - speaking about "Avelloning" and cancel culture. Dear MCA has been cancelled for some kind of "relationship" with a fan girl on a convention, which was deemed "inappropriate" enough. Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. And such a person has not been cancelled, but is trying to land a remote job with some Western development studio. That's Nerd commando for ya.

So Taliban are USA sponsored terrorist group?

 

[Desiderius]

Second - speaking about "Avelloning" and cancel culture. Dear MCA has been cancelled for some kind of "relationship" with a fan girl on a convention, which was deemed "inappropriate" enough. Now imagine if someone openly admits that he spends 2/3 of his salary supporting people who work for a Russian sponsored terrorist group - literally Taliban, but with rubles. And such a person has not been cancelled, but is trying to land a remote job with some Western development studio. That's Nerd commando for ya.

So Taliban are USA sponsored terrorist group?

They are now. Just look at their weaponry. Derp State Brain Geniuses must be hoping they'll stir shit in Xinjiang and Iran.

Brahmins are taking over the Empire so who knows what they're up to.

 

[Humbaba]

So Taliban are USA sponsored terrorist group?

As are basically 90% of the world's terrorist groups.

 

[Humbaba]

They are now. Just look at their weaponry. Derp State Brain Geniuses must be hoping they'll stir shit in Xinjiang and Iran.

Brahmins are taking over the Empire so who knows what they're up to.

I for one welcome our new bovine overlords

 

[Delterius]

Can Lich merge with Sage Sorcerer? They are spontaneous casters but INT based.

But why a sage sorcerer instead of an arcanist or exploiter wizard...You want that juicy metamagic.

Lich is INT based. If you can merge than you add the Angel/Cleric spells into your normal spellbook. Ie they become <your casting stat based>. Angels are WIS based. A CHA Oracle who merges their spellbook with Angels gains an Oracle (CHA based) spellbook with Angel spells. You can also be an Arcane Sorcerer (CHA) merging with Lich and getting all the goodies.

 

[LannTheStupid]

So Taliban are USA sponsored terrorist group?

Not all "not rubles" are dollars. There are riyals, dinars and so on. Even liras.

 

[fantadomat]

Lich is INT based.

True chads play PoE core rules,pure STR lich!

 

[ArchAngel]

Lich is INT based.

True chads play PoE core rules,pure STR lich!

That didn't seem to end well for those 3 Liches in the GIF.