Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Stoned Ape]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

By warrior, do you mean Fighter?

If so, then yes. Fighter's are very, very good at killing things. With Armed Bravery and a couple of feats worth of Iron Will, they're even good at passing Will saves, too (which is normally a big problem for them).

 

[Delterius]

fighters are good but bloodragers are just stupid. it can't compete with summoner for 'most banned class on pnp' but its still kinda dumb.

 

[Salvo]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

Trickster THF is big crit energy

 

[Salvo]

fighters are good but bloodragers are just stupid. it can't compete with summoner for 'most banned class on pnp' but its still kinda dumb.

Only Primalist Bloodrager is really ludicrously OP

Edit: OP compared to the base classes, PnP casters are obviously miles above anyone

 

[Tacgnol]

fighters are good but bloodragers are just stupid. it can't compete with summoner for 'most banned class on pnp' but its still kinda dumb.

Only Primalist Bloodrager is really ludicrously OP

Edit: OP compared to the base classes, PnP casters are obviously miles above anyone

Well there is a reason that Primalist Bloodrager is usually banned in PFS games.

It makes Barbarian almost completely obsolete for one thing.

d12 hitdie being about the only (miniscule) advantage a barbarian has over a primalist bloodrager.

 

[Salvo]

fighters are good but bloodragers are just stupid. it can't compete with summoner for 'most banned class on pnp' but its still kinda dumb.

Only Primalist Bloodrager is really ludicrously OP

Edit: OP compared to the base classes, PnP casters are obviously miles above anyone

Well there is a reason that Primalist Bloodrager is usually banned in PFS games.

It makes Barbarian almost completely obsolete for one thing.

d12 hitdie being about the only (miniscule) advantage a barbarian has over a primalist bloodrager.

That and... trap sense

 

[Mortmal]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The pure fighters arent doing anything special, no flavor, so they work , easy to build pick the feats you like 2H is best . But you can do much better martials using magic . When you can cast mirror image , blurs and such it's day and night for survivability, and thye have better burst damage. I remmber some belt allowing to get mirror image cast but you still have to find it. Everything is better except base monk and rogue.

 

[Desiderius]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The vids are clickbait.

 

[Desiderius]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The pure fighters arent doing anything special, no flavor, so they work , easy to build pick the feats you like 2H is best . But you can do much better martials using magic . When you can cast mirror image , blurs and such it's day and night for survivability, and thye have better burst damage. I remmber some belt allowing to get mirror image cast but you still have to find it. Everything is better except base monk and rogue.

Is there anything you aren’t just dead wrong about? Is it bullying to counter bad advice? Lol just happen to have some Wenduag shots from last night to counter this nonsense. Will post when I get home.

 

[Mortmal]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The pure fighters arent doing anything special, no flavor, so they work , easy to build pick the feats you like 2H is best . But you can do much better martials using magic . When you can cast mirror image , blurs and such it's day and night for survivability, and thye have better burst damage. I remmber some belt allowing to get mirror image cast but you still have to find it. Everything is better except base monk and rogue.

Is there anything you aren’t just dead wrong about? Is it bullying to counter bad advice? Lol just happen to have some Wenduag shots from last night to counter this nonsense. Will post when I get home.

Again You are not giving any advice to him at all just push "yes" button, i am sure it's super helpful in your own world but not here . Pure fighter is not any close to a sword saint. The sword saint, one exemple amongst many , is multi attribute dependant but the fact owlcat is so generous with gear does not make it a problem, you dont even need armor, damage is higher than fighter , will survive everything when fully buffed.So i cannot consider pure fighter a great martial when there's so many better options.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

The pure fighters arent doing anything special, no flavor, so they work , easy to build pick the feats you like 2H is best . But you can do much better martials using magic . When you can cast mirror image , blurs and such it's day and night for survivability, and thye have better burst damage. I remmber some belt allowing to get mirror image cast but you still have to find it. Everything is better except base monk and rogue.

Thing is: both in Kingmaker and this Beta I always played Magus (sword saint specifically).
Sure, I TRIED other things, but never extensively.

So I was looking around for alternatives. And as a personal preference for my main in particular I tend to prefer martial classes. Especially some Strength-based build, for a change.

 

[Infinitron]

Here's that exclusive video:



Looks like it's a sneak peek at the next dev diary.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

The vids are clickbait.

…Ok. Any chance to get any actual advice rather than cryptic one-liners?

 

[Mortmal]

The pure fighters arent doing anything special, no flavor, so they work , easy to build pick the feats you like 2H is best . But you can do much better martials using magic . When you can cast mirror image , blurs and such it's day and night for survivability, and thye have better burst damage. I remmber some belt allowing to get mirror image cast but you still have to find it. Everything is better except base monk and rogue.

Thing is: both in Kingmaker and this Beta I always played Magus (sword saint specifically).
Sure, I TRIED other things, but never extensively.

So I was looking around for alternatives. And as a personal preference for my main in particular I tend to prefer martial classes. Especially some Strength-based build, for a change.

Str based fighter will work of course, but you will find that a bit flat compare to SS. If you dont want magus anymore , there's still many good martials still superior to fighter , rogue thug, monk scaled fist , barbarian mad dog(has pet) , some ranger builds , and of course all kind of paladins auras might helpful . Eldritch knight is not bad either but if you fed up of magus you wont like it much more and its a bit under anyway.

 

[Humbaba]

Is that a woman (female)?

 

[LannTheStupid]

…Ok. Any chance to get any actual advice rather than cryptic one-liners?

1. What do you want from your warrior? To "hold the line" (TM)? To hit faces really hard? To shoot from afar with deadly precision? To be a d'Artagnan?
2. Judging by (1) you chose the fighter class and the weapon (or the group of weapons) you want to fight with.
3. You start the game on the difficulty you like and see what happens.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Pure fighters in PF will do anything you want them to do. An abundance of of feats gives you tremendous versatility, and the class abilities both scale well and patch holes (like Will saves or slow movement) that the typical fighter suffers. It will be straight-forward and no fuss. Pure fighter will be about 4/5ths any given specialty martial build, in just about any metric, but will lack flavor. Where it suffers is when you approach end-game bloat and have to rely on niche spells and abilities to survive fantastical threats. As it stands, the DR penetration feats also don't work correctly, so that's a major bummer. Any given mythic path will absolutely eliminate those end-game deficiencies.

 

[Desiderius]

The vids are clickbait.

…Ok. Any chance to get any actual advice rather than cryptic one-liners?

Yes

 

[Mortmal]

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Pure fighters in PF will do anything you want them to do. An abundance of of feats gives you tremendous versatility, and the class abilities both scale well and patch holes (like Will saves or slow movement) that the typical fighter suffers. It will be straight-forward and no fuss. Pure fighter will be about 4/5ths any given specialty martial build, in just about any metric, but will lack flavor. Where it suffers is when you approach end-game bloat and have to rely on niche spells and abilities to survive fantastical threats. As it stands, the DR penetration feats also don't work correctly, so that's a major bummer. Any given mythic path will absolutely eliminate those end-game deficiencies.

Thats what we should read more on the thread, screenshots dont help.

 

[Nicebrain]

So I have this maybe-plan-for-a-class going on in my head for some time now. Divine Hunter (Hunter) sets celestial template on your animal companion. Celestial template seems to contain smite, at least on paper.
I haven't found a lot of info on the dinosaur companions, but the Raptor seems to be in and if the stats on in are correct it should be 14 charisma on it.
So... the question is, can I smite all kinds of evil stuff with a holy Raptor in the game?

 

[The_Mask]

So... the question is, can I smite all kinds of evil stuff with a holy Raptor in the game?

As per our experiments in the beta, the only class that could employ dinos were the Druids. In a week we will find out if that is still the case or not.

 

[Nicebrain]

So... the question is, can I smite all kinds of evil stuff with a holy Raptor in the game?

As per our experiments in the beta, the only class that could employ dinos were the Druids. In a week we will find out if that is still the case or not.

Ah ok. Well if it works I name the hunter Ronald

 

[Cryomancer]

The unique thing that Pathfinder games needs is the ability to write your custom modules, custom spells and classes easily like NWN2 had...

 

[smaug]

yea, this beta thread is shit because when kingmaker came out barely anyone played the beta so lots of surprises with the actual release thread, now every asshole has played the shit out of the alpha/beta so everyone knows everything

 

[Heroic Liberator]

People complaining that there's actual stuff to talk about, wew.