Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[smaug]

People complaining that there's actual stuff to talk about, wew.

yes

 

[Infinitron]

Well, that didn't take long:

What are the Mythic Paths? Good question! Watch our Creative Director Alexander Mishulin answering it in our new dev diary.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Let me guess in advance, it doesn't mention the Devil path in this video either.

 

[Desiderius]

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Pure fighters in PF will do anything you want them to do. An abundance of of feats gives you tremendous versatility, and the class abilities both scale well and patch holes (like Will saves or slow movement) that the typical fighter suffers. It will be straight-forward and no fuss. Pure fighter will be about 4/5ths any given specialty martial build, in just about any metric, but will lack flavor. Where it suffers is when you approach end-game bloat and have to rely on niche spells and abilities to survive fantastical threats. As it stands, the DR penetration feats also don't work correctly, so that's a major bummer. Any given mythic path will absolutely eliminate those end-game deficiencies.

Thats what we should read more on the thread, screenshots dont help.

Well the screenshots are as much to prove the point since the claims are often negative ones (this class can't do x or this difficulty is too hard for regular play) or people saying I play story mode or whatever. Combat Log is where the info is so that's where you learn how to play better. Tuco Benedicto Pacifico I've been posting specific advice to people and even testing classes and builds for them for going on three years now. Since Mortmal is worried about spoilers I'll just post some stuff I did for a little kid a couple years ago:

Spoiler

He was asking for Glaive so I put this together around that. In Wrath you can do something similar with one of the companions.

As for Fighter I'm not as down on THF as I used to be (especially since they added the Advanced Weapon Training to it. Note for SS and THF enthusiasts: Dinosaur Bones appear to be scarce) but a lot of the resilience and flavor you claim the class doesn't have comes from Armor Training and Shield Proficiency (as needed up to Tower) in addition to that Advanced Weapon Training. Every item slot is the equivalent of a class ability or two in this game because they come with so much stuff attached so the ability to go Sword and Board (or best available with Martial Prof) is valuable in its won right.

 

[Technomancer]

So... the question is, can I smite all kinds of evil stuff with a holy Raptor in the game?

Holy? With charisma like that, make it undead.

 

[Desiderius]

I also did a long series on Aldori Swordlord with various builds back around that time too.

Might just do that and go for Legend since Trickster is probably too good for Core. Well, more like unnecessary (main ability I'm going for there is reliable Dispel, Greater to cut some Hard bosses down to size which you don't need for Core).

 

[fantadomat]

yea, this beta thread is shit because when kingmaker came out barely anyone played the beta so lots of surprises with the actual release thread, now every asshole has played the shit out of the alpha/beta so everyone knows everything

Well the ea thread is to contain all the autistic retards that make 1000 posts about builds that become obsolete a patch later. You don't want those people running around the forum,free.

 

[Stoned Ape]

…Ok. Any chance to get any actual advice rather than cryptic one-liners?

What sort of fighter would you like to build? Sword and board, 2 handed fighter, intimidation based fear monger?

I think it's even possible to build an effective dex based two-weapon fighter with mythic weapon finesse and mythic twf.

Advanced Weapon Training even lets you grab extra skills if you feel you want them.

They are probably the most customisable full-BAB class in the game, without even taking archetypes into account.

 

[The_Mask]

Let me guess in advance, it doesn't mention the Devil path in this video either.

That's because there are things that you should be looking forward to exploring even if you played the beta out of your mind.

It's like saying "I've fiddled with 2/3 of this skeleton = I know everything about the human body"

Spoiler

*cough* smaug *cough*

 

[Desiderius]

yea, this beta thread is shit because when kingmaker came out barely anyone played the beta so lots of surprises with the actual release thread, now every asshole has played the shit out of the alpha/beta so everyone knows everything

Well the ea thread is to contain all the autistic retards that make 1000 posts about builds that become obsolete a patch later. You don't want those people running around the forum,free.

That's the opposite of what I do. Thx for the compliment. Pretty sure base Fighter no splash won't be obsolete any time soon. Nothing I've posted has except Lingering two Bard Songs together.

 

[Desiderius]

Let me guess in advance, it doesn't mention the Devil path in this video either.

That's because there are things that you should be looking forward to exploring even if you played the beta out of your mind.

It's like saying "I've fiddled with 2/3 of this skeleton = I know everything about the human body"

Spoiler

*cough* smaug *cough*

I've merely scratched the surface of what's there. You have no idea.

 

[fantadomat]

yea, this beta thread is shit because when kingmaker came out barely anyone played the beta so lots of surprises with the actual release thread, now every asshole has played the shit out of the alpha/beta so everyone knows everything

Well the ea thread is to contain all the autistic retards that make 1000 posts about builds that become obsolete a patch later. You don't want those people running around the forum,free.

That's the opposite of what I do. Thx for the compliment.

It is neither compliment nor insult,it is statement of facts.

 

[Desiderius]

yea, this beta thread is shit because when kingmaker came out barely anyone played the beta so lots of surprises with the actual release thread, now every asshole has played the shit out of the alpha/beta so everyone knows everything

Well the ea thread is to contain all the autistic retards that make 1000 posts about builds that become obsolete a patch later. You don't want those people running around the forum,free.

That's the opposite of what I do. Thx for the compliment.

It is neither compliment nor insult,it is statement of facts.

Nope. That's the other forums. I try to keep this one in good shape.

 

[LannTheStupid]

All those who are afraid of Owlcat "wokeness" - see the Diary #6 and look at the dialogue with Irabeth. It's even more... satisfying resolution than with Amiri.

Subversion does not stop even if some are doubting there is subversion.

 

[santino27]

On Core, enemies tend to make a bee line for my rogue as soon as the battle starts. My lvl 5 rogue got shredded by those dark elf crossbowmen in the 'ambush' encounter, as they completely ignored the summons I dropped up there because 'oh look... that guy's in a chain shirt. let's fill him with bolts. every time he pops up.'

 

[Pink Eye]

How pozzed are they? That's the important question.

Stimulating discussion. So. You want to push out players who actually play video games. Dedicate themselves to this hobby. Discuss them. Write up guides, etc. In exchange for secondaries who only care about how "Pozzed" a piece of entertainment is. Enlightening stuff, Fedora. This has got to be the dumbest shit I've read.

 

[kain30]

I just hope that my boxed copy arrive home the 2nd of september!

 

[LannTheStupid]

I just hope that all my physical rewards arrive in 2021 in a mostly intact state.

 

[smaug]

All those who are afraid of Owlcat "wokeness" - see the Diary #6 and look at the dialogue with Irabeth. It's even more... satisfying resolution than with Amiri.

Subversion does not stop even if some are doubting there is subversion.

Dude they have a orc tranny paladin, just fuck off

Some endings have already been datamined.

How pozzed are they? That's the important question.

its pretty faggy at least from what I played in CH1, maybe it will get better idk

 

[Humbaba]

Rule 99: Trannies and fags are ok as long as you get the option to kill them. In a videogame

 

[frajaq]

I didnt know the cute little dragon grew bigger and stronger alongside you...

 

[smaug]

Dude they have a orc tranny paladin, just fuck off

The orc's wife is a tranny, not the orc. Get your shitposting right, nigga.
You can rip half the orc's face off tho if you go full ooga booga

Oh yea, the wife was originally a dude, so technically it’s not gay, fucking hell

 

[The_Mask]

This is the narrative designer Twitch stream. This is chalk full of spoilers, if you haven't played the beta, so... click on your own risk.

 

[axedice]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The big fighter thing in this game is the trickster mythic path that eventually gives you +2 on your crit range, +1 crit multi and treats your natural 1 rolls as natural 20s. With all of these, the +1 crit multi generic mythic feat and an 18-20 base crit weapon, you have a fucking 45% chance to crit with a 4x crit multiplier. That shit is just insane. They even named the last feat of the set "improved improved improved improved critical", which tells you how bonkers it is.

There's also the mythic version of the vital strike feat group that multiplies all your bonus damage in addition to the weapon dice, so now you deal almost the same damage in a single hit without losing hit chance (loss of the haste hit and sneak damage etc. not being multiplied may break it even based on your build though, this shit requires some calculations and not essential).

Anyway there are two classes that can go really well with this type of build and one is fighter, the other being the slayer.

Fighters now have a mutagen subclass which give them +8 str on endgame like a vivi. Since its an alchemical bonus, it stacks with everything else you find in the game and there are no alternative alchemical bonuses elsewhere afaik. You still get to keep fighter bonus feats and BAB so it looks kinda neat.

Two handed fighter is not too shabby (since we will be going 40+ Str) but they don't have as much attack bonus as the other options so they lose some damage on tough to hit bosses. Other fighter bases either have less feats or irrelevant bonuses. Base fighter has armor training but I'd prefer the mutagen bonus.

Slayer is also neat with sneak attacks and feats, along with bonus chance to hit abilities so it's a worthy contender. The way I see it, slayer is better if you go full attacks but (mutagen) fighter is better for vital strike. I think I'll go vital strike just for the lulz

 

[Mortmal]

I have to ask. Is warrior even considered a strong martial class in this rule set?
I was just realizing that I never crossed any guide/build/video suggesting ANYTHING based on warrior, not even as part of some multi class build.

The big fighter thing in this game is the trickster mythic path that eventually gives you +2 on your crit range, +1 crit multi and treats your natural 1 rolls as natural 20s. With all of these, the +1 crit multi generic mythic feat and an 18-20 base crit weapon, you have a fucking 45% chance to crit with a 4x crit multiplier. That shit is just insane. They even named the last feat of the set "improved improved improved improved critical", which tells you how bonkers it is.

There's also the mythic version of the vital strike feat group that multiplies all your bonus damage in addition to the weapon dice, so now you deal almost the same damage in a single hit without losing hit chance (loss of the haste hit and sneak damage etc. not being multiplied may break it even based on your build though, this shit requires some calculations and not essential).

Anyway there are two classes that can go really well with this type of build and one is fighter, the other being the slayer.

Fighters now have a mutagen subclass which give them +8 str on endgame like a vivi. Since its an alchemical bonus, it stacks with everything else you find in the game and there are no alternative alchemical bonuses elsewhere afaik. You still get to keep fighter bonus feats and BAB so it looks kinda neat.

Two handed fighter is not too shabby (since we will be going 40+ Str) but they don't have as much attack bonus as the other options so they lose some damage on tough to hit bosses. Other fighter bases either have less feats or irrelevant bonuses. Base fighter has armor training but I'd prefer the mutagen bonus.

Slayer is also neat with sneak attacks and feats, along with bonus chance to hit abilities so it's a worthy contender. The way I see it, slayer is better if you go full attacks but (mutagen) fighter is better for vital strike. I think I'll go vital strike just for the lulz

Why only two classes ? Everything in melee could benefit of that too, the magus using high crit weapon especially. Is there a problem with modifiers stacking ?