Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Desiderius]

Could you please tell me how can you check the Spell Penetration of your Kineticist?

Attack something and check Combat log is about all I can do.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Relevant Reddit thread

So according to that AMA, the game will be getting more DLCs as well.

 

[santino27]

Relevant Reddit thread

So according to that AMA, the game will be getting more DLCs as well.

Yeah, they've said there would be a season 2 of DLC for a while.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Yeah, they've said there would be a season 2 of DLC for a while.

My bad. Haven't been a regular ITT for quite a while.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Yeah, they've said there would be a season 2 of DLC for a while.

My bad. Haven't been a regular ITT for quite a while.

Just a regular IDIOT huh?

Spoiler

Could not resist.

 

[Cyberarmy]

So, my latest tailwind is the one giving touch attacks 17-20 crit range...
Elemental Engine and Grenadier here I come! Magus attacks via weapon don't count touch attacks, no?
Are there any other classes that had touch attacks that can crit?

Edit: Maybe a Kinetic Knight in there too?

 

[ArchAngel]

So, my latest tailwind is the one giving touch attacks 17-20 crit range...
Elemental Engine and Grenadier here I come! Magus attacks via weapon don't count touch attacks, no?
Are there any other classes that had touch attacks that can crit?

Edit: Maybe a Kinetic Knight in there too?

Many spells are touch attacks. You can go Winter Witch and focus on frost balls. They even ignore SR.

 

[Cyberarmy]

But they don't crit so it'll just make them easier to hit. I want to make use of that juicy %20 crit range.

 

[Haplo]

So, my latest tailwind is the one giving touch attacks 17-20 crit range...
Elemental Engine and Grenadier here I come! Magus attacks via weapon don't count touch attacks, no?
Are there any other classes that had touch attacks that can crit?

Edit: Maybe a Kinetic Knight in there too?

Magus Spellstrike isn't touch. But you can use Spell Combat to deliver Touch/Ranged Touch Spells with Spellstrike disabled.
Maybe not the best idea in case of typical magus/sword saint. But it makes a lot of sense for an Eldritch Archer magus. In case of archer magus, Spellstrike rays are lost if they miss the mark - so its often better to fire Scorching/Hellfire rays and similar via Spell Combat as Ranged Touch Attacks - without using the Spellstrike ability.

Sure, Kin Knight would work - with the same caveat as Elemental Engine - use energy blasts only. I believe Dark Codex makes Electric element pretty attractive with Chain Infusion (still attack rolls and can crit AFAIK).
Although RTA EE should probably focus on Blue Flame double fire.

 

[Haplo]

So, my latest tailwind is the one giving touch attacks 17-20 crit range...
Elemental Engine and Grenadier here I come! Magus attacks via weapon don't count touch attacks, no?
Are there any other classes that had touch attacks that can crit?

Edit: Maybe a Kinetic Knight in there too?

Also maybe Arcane Trickster? Of course, there is the matter of endurance of the traditional casters. As well as area magic debuffs...

 

[ArchAngel]

But they don't crit so it'll just make them easier to hit. I want to make use of that juicy %20 crit range.

Of course they crit.

 

[Cyberarmy]

But they don't crit so it'll just make them easier to hit. I want to make use of that juicy %20 crit range.

Of course they crit.

Yeah, got some brainfreeze there

 

[Desiderius]

But they don't crit so it'll just make them easier to hit. I want to make use of that juicy %20 crit range.

Yeah just scroll up and you'll find longish discussion on this topic. Don't even need to crit if you've got the meta:



Try out Arcane Bomber Wiz. Crit on both spells and bombs.

 

[Stavrophore]

Only really poor thing[for some its a good thing] is that they literally took pathfinder tabletop and implemented it in the game as is. Meaning spell descriptions are straight out of pathfinder ruleset playbook. Didn't Owlcat get the memo, that computer games and tabletop games are different medium and that you can and should improve the material, by changing the spell description to something that is better organized and explained at a mere glance? I understand that some people who played this as tabletop religiously will feel like in home, but for others, especially less knowledgeable it's just a chore. A structured and coincise presentation of knowledge is paramount to conveying the information and enabling the players and newcomers to learn the material quicker. QoL accessibility is an important measure to increase the reach of the medium and make even better sales[not that pathfinder games need that, surprisingly considering that Solasta is easier system to digest has worse sales, are really that many people playing Pathfinder games in easy mode focusing on story and companions while they don't care about builds and mechanics? That's some insane storyfagotry and should be better suited with generic high fantasy game].

 

[ArchAngel]

Only really poor thing[for some its a good thing] is that they literally took pathfinder tabletop and implemented it in the game as is. Meaning spell descriptions are straight out of pathfinder ruleset playbook. Didn't Owlcat get the memo, that computer games and tabletop games are different medium and that you can and should improve the material, by changing the spell description to something that is better organized and explained at a mere glance? I understand that some people who played this as tabletop religiously will feel like in home, but for others, especially less knowledgeable it's just a chore. A structured and coincise presentation of knowledge is paramount to conveying the information and enabling the players and newcomers to learn the material quicker. QoL accessibility is an important measure to increase the reach of the medium and make even better sales[not that pathfinder games need that, surprisingly considering that Solasta is easier system to digest has worse sales, are really that many people playing Pathfinder games in easy mode focusing on story and companions while they don't care about builds and mechanics? That's some insane storyfagotry and should be better suited with generic high fantasy game].

They could do that but then you would get about half the classes and 2/3 of spells that you got now.

 

[ArchAngel]

As for my party, I had a "great idea" to make a throwing axe full divine caster so I made Spirit Shaman character as my 5th party member. I hope that enchant weapon ability can enchant multiple weapons if I dual wield. Can you dual wield and rapid shot with throwing axes? And how do I deal with low range of throwing weapons?
Maybe I should have gone with my first plan of giving that character Glaive.. but I could not find background that gives that as free proficiency (or any other martial reach weapon)..
I was looking at clerics and oracles first but I didn't find anything super exciting (Crusader gets martial stuff but loses a lot on casting).
At least Shaman has Barkskin, my Grenadier cannot buff everyone alone.

Oh and out of 5 characters I made 3 Dhampirs so I do not need to worry about level drain :D
Only Bard and Fire Kineticist that are most in the back are not. My 6th character will probably be one as well.

 

[Daidre]

As for my party, I had a "great idea" to make a throwing axe full divine caster so I made Spirit Shaman character as my 5th party member. I hope that enchant weapon ability can enchant multiple weapons if I dual wield. Can you dual wield and rapid shot with throwing axes? And how do I deal with low range of throwing weapons?

You can dual wield and rapid shot with throwing axes, but manyshot is bow-only. Iirc enchant weapon works only on the main hand but maybe you can enchant and switch in the inventory.
Best way to do Barrage God shaman dual-thrower would be taking 3 elemental spirits on the default shaman for example: 1 from class, second from the Wandering Spirit feature and last one from Second Spirit mythic ability. Each one gives +1d6 elemental damage on any held weapon starting from lvl 11.

Very deadly, but lags in development until he at least gets Mythic Rapid Shot and Mythic Dual Wielding, Barrage and Second Spirit.

 

[ArchAngel]

As for my party, I had a "great idea" to make a throwing axe full divine caster so I made Spirit Shaman character as my 5th party member. I hope that enchant weapon ability can enchant multiple weapons if I dual wield. Can you dual wield and rapid shot with throwing axes? And how do I deal with low range of throwing weapons?

You can dual wield and rapid shot with throwing axes, but manyshot is bow-only. Iirc enchant weapon works only on the main hand but maybe you can enchant and switch in the inventory.
Best way to do Barrage God shaman dual-thrower would be taking 3 elemental spirits on the default shaman for example: 1 from class, second from the Wandering Spirit feature and last one from Second Spirit mythic ability. Each one gives +1d6 elemental damage on any held weapon starting from lvl 11.

Very deadly, but lags in development until he at least gets Mythic Rapid Shot and Mythic Dual Wielding, Barrage and Second Spirit.

Hmm, in that case it is probably worth more to go Glaive, Vital Strike and AoO vs enemies running by (Battle spirit gives free combat reflexes). This Shaman gets enlarge spells so I can get more reach and more base weapon damage which is even better with Vital Strike. Basically a better version of Cam that went Dex like a moron.

 

[Desiderius]

TWF, ranged, and VS are all very feat intensive and Feats are about the only thing Shaman doesn’t get.

VS is also nonbo with Barrage. You guys are Vital Strike crazy. Why not just mount up the Orc Shaman and slay with Falch?

Hampering Hex is your Standard Action when you don’t have full attax. It’s -4 at lvl 8 (when *first* VS turns on).

 

[coldcrow]

Mounts are really OP in this game. Any melee class profits immediately, and any caster which gets it for free or at discount also likes it very much.

 

[ArchAngel]

TWF, ranged, and VS are all very feat intensive and Feats are about the only thing Shaman doesn’t get.

VS is also nonbo with Barrage. You guys are Vital Strike crazy. Why not just mount up the Orc Shaman and slay with Falch?

#1 I already got one mounted guy so I reached my limit
#2 When you are mounted you cannot use Enlarge Person and other later spells that are big damage boosts.

 

[ArchAngel]

BTW, that Divine Slayer Inquisitor is pretty cool. I can mark targets without breaking stealth or starting battle (unlike Freebooter ranger). My Bard can also start his song without breaking stealth (don't know how that makes any sense :D) or starting battle so huge bonuses at start of each combat. And then Fire Kineticist can boost his attack for free before start and hit someone with a nice buffed Empower Kinetic Blast
Then Divine Slayer charges someone while mounted, gets sneak attack so basically two dead enemies even before combat starts for real.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

ArchAngel Maybe a Shadow Shaman with a reach weapon? Cast your hexes, but be close up for AoO with sneaks via your reach weapon? That gameplay style would maximize the class features, including their Stealth and Shadows ability.

 

[IllusiveBrian]

My Bard can also start his song without breaking stealth (don't know how that makes any sense :D)

The enemy only thinks he heard something.

 

[Desiderius]

BTW, that Divine Slayer Inquisitor is pretty cool. I can mark targets without breaking stealth or starting battle (unlike Freebooter ranger). My Bard can also start his song without breaking stealth (don't know how that makes any sense :D) or starting battle so huge bonuses at start of each combat. And then Fire Kineticist can boost his attack for free before start and hit someone with a nice buffed Empower Kinetic Blast
Then Divine Slayer charges someone while mounted, gets sneak attack so basically two dead enemies even before combat starts for real.

Base Inquisitor brings some of the same things to the table if you let it develop. Sanc Slayer is pretty backloaded.

I prefer just Slayer in regular Wrath but the extra casts Inq gives you are needed in DLC and Studied being infinite use could put it over Judgments (though you can get infinite Judgements too with a Mythic). Eventually getting six Sneaks isn't bad, but you're never getting Advanced Slayer Talents and you don't get your regular ones until very late. Judgements give you scaling AB (similar to Studied but vs everything with no Sneak/activation needed), damage (every three lvls up to +6, so faster than Studied), Concentration/Spell Pen (every 3 lvls up to +6 which is very strong), Saves (+1 every five lvls, so +3 at lvl ten), and/or AC (same scaling as saves).

AB bonus doubles for crit confirmation at lvl 10 (to +6), AC doubles at lvl 10 against enemy crit confirm (to +6), Saves double at lvl 10 vs Curses, Diseases, and Poison.

I guess most people splash a lot with Inq so don't get a chance to see high lvl Judgments but along with Divine Favor/Power and Bane Weapon scaling it gets pretty nuts. A lot to give up.