Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Grunker]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

 

[ga♥]

Haplo I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that Hidden Abode is the most difficult fight in the game...

...Hidden Abode doesn't start with a surprise round, 100% unblockable Seductive Presence DC59 (leaving everyone helpless for 5d4 rounds) followed by a 1232 damage 100% unblockable Wail of the Banshee DC 49

Oh and a d20+41 caster level check Dispel Magic (Area) in case the bread wasn't toasted enough at this point.

Definetely the hardest fight of the game by virtue of the sheer numbers game alone (which is fitting considering who you're fighting). You basically need to stack every single save buff imaginable (including probably Fortune-Cackle cheese unless you want to reload alot), which my subpar builds haven't :D

Even with buffs like Vision of Madness + Shake it Off-stacking etc. it's probably a toss-up for companions/MCs with low Fort.

Mephistoteles in DLC1 is harder than both fights.

Spoiler

Inb4 Desiderius claiming it's the easiest fight in the game and I am just n00b plus screenshot of Bismuth critting Nocticula.

 

[Grunker]

Haplo I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that Hidden Abode is the most difficult fight in the game...

...Hidden Abode doesn't start with a surprise round, 100% unblockable Seductive Presence DC59 (leaving everyone helpless for 5d4 rounds) followed by a 1232 damage 100% unblockable Wail of the Banshee DC 49

Oh and a d20+41 caster level check Dispel Magic (Area) in case the bread wasn't toasted enough at this point.

Definetely the hardest fight of the game by virtue of the sheer numbers game alone (which is fitting considering who you're fighting). You basically need to stack every single save buff imaginable (including probably Fortune-Cackle cheese unless you want to reload alot), which my subpar builds haven't :D

Even with buffs like Vision of Madness + Shake it Off-stacking etc. it's probably a toss-up for companions/MCs with low Fort.

Mephistoteles in DLC1 is harder than both fights.

Spoiler

Inb4 Desiderius claiming it's the easiest fight in the game and I am just n00b plus screenshot of Bismuth.

I've qualified my other posts with say *that I know of*. I'm only in act 5 and only on Demon path, so can't speak to other fights obviously

 

[ga♥]

Haplo I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that Hidden Abode is the most difficult fight in the game...

...Hidden Abode doesn't start with a surprise round, 100% unblockable Seductive Presence DC59 (leaving everyone helpless for 5d4 rounds) followed by a 1232 damage 100% unblockable Wail of the Banshee DC 49

Oh and a d20+41 caster level check Dispel Magic (Area) in case the bread wasn't toasted enough at this point.

Definetely the hardest fight of the game by virtue of the sheer numbers game alone (which is fitting considering who you're fighting). You basically need to stack every single save buff imaginable (including probably Fortune-Cackle cheese unless you want to reload alot), which my subpar builds haven't :D

Even with buffs like Vision of Madness + Shake it Off-stacking etc. it's probably a toss-up for companions/MCs with low Fort.

Mephistoteles in DLC1 is harder than both fights.

Spoiler

Inb4 Desiderius claiming it's the easiest fight in the game and I am just n00b plus screenshot of Bismuth.

I've qualified my other posts with say *that I know of*. I'm only in act 5 and only on Demon path, so can't speak to other fights obviously

Oh sorry then, didn't want to spoiler.

 

[Grunker]

Haplo I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that Hidden Abode is the most difficult fight in the game...

...Hidden Abode doesn't start with a surprise round, 100% unblockable Seductive Presence DC59 (leaving everyone helpless for 5d4 rounds) followed by a 1232 damage 100% unblockable Wail of the Banshee DC 49

Oh and a d20+41 caster level check Dispel Magic (Area) in case the bread wasn't toasted enough at this point.

Definetely the hardest fight of the game by virtue of the sheer numbers game alone (which is fitting considering who you're fighting). You basically need to stack every single save buff imaginable (including probably Fortune-Cackle cheese unless you want to reload alot), which my subpar builds haven't :D

Even with buffs like Vision of Madness + Shake it Off-stacking etc. it's probably a toss-up for companions/MCs with low Fort.

Mephistoteles in DLC1 is harder than both fights.

Spoiler

Inb4 Desiderius claiming it's the easiest fight in the game and I am just n00b plus screenshot of Bismuth.

I've qualified my other posts with say *that I know of*. I'm only in act 5 and only on Demon path, so can't speak to other fights obviously

Oh sorry then, didn't want to spoiler.

Hey no worries, Yoshi already spoiled it. And it's the risk I take from being in the thread

 

[Yosharian]

Wait what did I spoil

 

[Grunker]

Wait what did I spoil

Mephistopheles - but again, like, I'm not expecting to read this thread and not get spoiled lol. I'm not complaining. Honestly the spoilers are so minor here, I didn't even know of the midnight bolts and crystals for example.

 

[Lambach]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

Depends on your level of tolerance for pozz. There's a fuckton of INKLUUUZHION that can feel out of place and certainly would not have been there had this came out 15 years ago or so, but I don't ever remembered it shoved in your face or being preached at the player. Some of the most important characters are a married couple, one a Half-Orc, the other a male-to-female troon human. Diversity overdose. But that just..... is. They never try and make some sort of a statement through it, nobody behaves like that's unusual in any way etc. Galfrey would've been a dude in a campaign/game developed 15+ years ago and there is a clear over-representation of wimminz among the game's most important characters, but I don't remember any of them having some "GUUUURL POWER" moment or preaching about how they've had to overcome the difficulties of being a woman in a toxic masculine patriarchal society or bla bla bla.

tl;dr - lots of (sometimes out of place) diversity, but no preaching or shoving modern-day cultural issues where they don't belong.

 

[ga♥]

There's a fuckton of INKLUUUZHION that can feel out of place and certainly would not have been there had this came out 15 years ago

It's the adventure path, not the game, and the AP came out in 2013 so we are probably talking about 20+ years here.

 

[Grunker]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

Depends on your level of tolerance for pozz. There's a fuckton of INKLUUUZHION that can feel out of place and certainly would not have been there had this came out 15 years ago or so, but I don't ever remembered it shoved in your face or being preached at the player. Some of the most important characters are a married couple, one a Half-Orc, the other a male-to-female troon human. Diversity overdose. But that just..... is. They never try and make some sort of a statement through it, nobody behaves like that's unusual in any way etc. Galfrey would've been a dude in a campaign/game developed 15+ years ago and there is a clear over-representation of wimminz among the game's most important characters, but I don't remember any of them having some "GUUUURL POWER" moment or preaching about how they've had to overcome the difficulties of being a woman in a toxic masculine patriarchal society or bla bla bla.

tl;dr - lots of (sometimes out of place) diversity, but no preaching or shoving modern-day cultural issues where they don't belong.

I think you misunderstood me - there's tons of idpol in WotR (and in Kingmaker), though I would say it's more of the "inclusive/sexpositive" variant than the political correctness-variant.

My point was that the Codex here as always deals only in absolute - a game is either pozz or it isn't. In reality with WotR like in all other aspects of the game it's a huge mess. And that note is both funny and poignant. Also not often you find jokes about islamic sensitivity in a modern video game lol

Galfrey would've been a dude in a campaign/game developed 15+ years ago

This is just delusional, honestly. Women in plate armor all over again

 

[ga♥]

Wait what did I spoil

Mephistopheles - but again, like, I'm not expecting to read this thread and not get spoiled lol. I'm not complaining. Honestly the spoilers are so minor here, I didn't even know of the midnight bolts and crystals for example.

I said DLC1 though. Anyway it's not a big spoiler but won't elaborate as it would become a big one then.

 

[Lambach]

This is just delusional, honestly. Women in plate armor all over again

A warrior-Monarch, mighty Paladin, leader of 100 years worth of Crusades against Demons, defender of the realms of man.

Yeah, say what you will, but nobody's first association after reading that sentence without knowing the context is "woman in plate armor".

 

[Grunker]

This is just delusional, honestly. Women in plate armor all over again

A warrior-Monarch, mighty Paladin, leader of 100 years worth of Crusades against Demons, defender of the realms of man.

Yeah, say what you will, but nobody's first association after reading that sentence without knowing the context is "woman in plate armor".

It's like the women in plate armor discussion because it makes a political deal of something that's been fairly mundane in kitsch high fantasy since forever. WotR is poz when Irabeth's and Anevia's relationship and characters are basically all about their inclusive sexuality, not when it copy pastes an adventure path from 2013

 

[Yosharian]

Wait what did I spoil

Mephistopheles - but again, like, I'm not expecting to read this thread and not get spoiled lol. I'm not complaining. Honestly the spoilers are so minor here, I didn't even know of the midnight bolts and crystals for example.

But you fought him before me

 

[Grunker]

Wait what did I spoil

Mephistopheles - but again, like, I'm not expecting to read this thread and not get spoiled lol. I'm not complaining. Honestly the spoilers are so minor here, I didn't even know of the midnight bolts and crystals for example.

But you fought him before me

wat?

 

[Yosharian]

I'm confused

 

[Grunker]

I'm confused

I haven't fought Mephistopheles. I think I would remember

 

[Average Manatee]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

>spams gays and trannies in our face at every turn
>but here's an obscure 0.00001% of the game making fun of that stuff so it balances out

 

[Grunker]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

>spams gays and trannies in our face at every turn

steam tells me I've played for 249 hours and I've met 1 tranny that I know of

yet you see trannies everywhere

:someonesgotissues:

so it balances out

there's tons of idpol in WotR

hmm

 

[Average Manatee]

steam tells me I've played for 249 hours and I've met 1 tranny that I know of

yet you see trannies everywhere

:someonesgotissues:

Not making it plural reads awkwardly, being grammatically pleasing overrides your reality.

 

[Yosharian]

I'm confused

I haven't fought Mephistopheles. I think I would remember

Oh shit I got confused yeah you were fighting Noct

Sorry yeah I guess I did spoil that haha

I did spoiler tag the images tbf

 

[Grunker]

I'm confused

I haven't fought Mephistopheles. I think I would remember

Oh shit I got confused yeah you were fighting Noct

Sorry yeah I guess I did spoil that haha

I did spoiler tag the images tbf

Man I don’t mind at all, really. Seeing tidbits like that doesn’t matter to me, since it essentially changes little in my actual playthrough (whereas resorting to guides would change a lot).

Just finished Daeran’s quest. Very disappointing tbh - setup for his character and background were fantastic, early quests very well done, and then it just ends in a fart

 

[Desiderius]

"all Unfair parties should be able to make that save" rather than claiming it'll just get easier or harder "depending on your party's strengths and weaknesses" - which is funny because again, my only claim was that that was indeed the case with every other fight in the game, whereas this one requires something very specific, so QED).

For fuck sake. If you've got to lie about what somebody is saying, maybe check your priors, asshole. You don't have to make the save right away, you get a new chance every round, *and* there are other ways around it. If you don't at least have the ability to get some of your party over 40 Fort Save you shouldn't be playing Unfair. You're pretending like I'm saying you should be able to hit 60.

A party that does things like using a late Feat + Mythic to get advantage on a weak save and pays attention to -yeah- spells like Transformation (sorry for expecting you to be able to read your goddamned spells if you're playing Unfair) will have it easier, but the game gives you an out (since Fascinate is easier to deal with than other conditions) if say you were relying on things like Immunties and Rupture instead. I like a mix myself.

And so I was right about breaking it with damage too. You don't have to make the save at all if you've used the best Mounted ability in the game and strategically use your Mount to break out the character(s) you need to break out everybody else and can finish out fights (which you're description of the Abode fight suggests you're struggling with as well).

If she applies it every round you can time it to break somebody out midround who can break out rest of your team.

 

[Desiderius]

PSA: If anyone tells you this game is pozzed through and through, tell them to go the chicken statue in Desolate Thicket, make the Perception check and read this Crumpled Note.

Honestly one of the better written digs at identity politics I've read in a video game. It even pokes fun at islam

>spams gays and trannies in our face at every turn
>but here's an obscure 0.00001% of the game making fun of that stuff so it balances out

It's a mix, with it tilted more toward the Poz than P:K. They do frontload the in the face stuff because it's the funders and the journos they buy who demand it and they only play the first part of games.

This is just delusional, honestly. Women in plate armor all over again

A warrior-Monarch, mighty Paladin, leader of 100 years worth of Crusades against Demons, defender of the realms of man.

Yeah, say what you will, but nobody's first association after reading that sentence without knowing the context is "woman in plate armor".

Some defense. She's been getting owned for centuries and unnaturally turning herself into a Lich to boot, preventing anyone better from arising.

Dog in the Manger.

 

[Desiderius]

Minagho fight in Act 4



Had already burned Invis, Greaters (and some other one-shot stuff) fighting Soul Hunter, so didn't get extra damage packets here from the Hide Armor pictured in last shots (and AB significantly lower too) but did get surprise and initiative for flat-footed.



Decided to trigger the Creeping Doom trap to finish her off with Bismuth. Game gives you a free pet might as well use it? Seems good. Maybe it will be a meme someday. No Animool Domain needed.



The extra cash from Grotto letting you buy infinite Diamond Dust is nice to fuel always up Stoneskins (maybe those will be getting bypassed soon). For some reason though tanky Seelah seems to have some sort of undocumented taunt so the odd mob that gets attacks off through Persistent Phantasmal Web often just burns them on Seelah anyway. Can see team randomly making saves here vs opponent's Web. Team is probably in the mid-30s on average at this point, though Aeon will eventually give everyone some immunties.



Been emptying out my summons on last major fight before a rest to see how they do on Unfair without any summoning focus abilities. Seems like they're getting some decent hits in already. If I design around it should be able to get there.