Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Sheepherder]

Between the fighter options I'd definitely still say Mutation Warrior is best. AC from your mutagen will beat upgrading from a heavy shield to a tower shield (not that you can't do that yourself if you are willing to take a -2 AB penalty) and your higher strength will help if/when you take that mythic half str to dex to boost AC further.

I did some testing. The maximum STR AC bonus from the Mythic feat is capped at your maximum allowed DEX bonus, which is determined by armor and is increased by armor training. Since mutation warrior loses armor training, he loses the increase in allowed DEX. Not a good pick for a heavy armor class unfortunately.

Edit: I reread the feat description and it states the the DEX limit should be ignored. Is it bugged?

 

[Average Manatee]

Seems to work fine for me?

I have a bunch of mods installed including TTT, not sure if one of them fixes it but I haven't heard of it being bugged

 

[Sheepherder]

Seems to work fine for me?

I have a bunch of mods installed including TTT, not sure if one of them fixes it but I haven't heard of it being bugged

Welp, it looks like it's the Tower Shield that's fucking it up :D Equipping a Tower shield caps the max STR AC to the DEX AC allowed by the shield
I even disabled all the mods except ToyBox to see if it's not some mod conflict. Fucking Owlcat

 

[Average Manatee]

It does say the str bonus to AC isn't capped by your armor yet says nothing about the shield, so technically its working as written that your shield can still cap the dexterity bonus feat. Stupid as fuck though.

 

[mediocrepoet]

It does say the str bonus to AC isn't capped by your armor yet says nothing about the shield, so technically its working as written that your shield can still cap the dexterity bonus feat. Stupid as fuck though.

 

[Nas92]

In Areelu's lab is the Piece of an Ancient Cloak the same as the Ancient Scrap of Script-Covered Leather?

 

[Desiderius]

It does say the str bonus to AC isn't capped by your armor yet says nothing about the shield, so technically its working as written that your shield can still cap the dexterity bonus feat. Stupid as fuck though.

Armor training FTW again.

 

[Average Manatee]

More like tower shields FTL

 

[KeAShizuku]

Regretting a choice and reloading an hour old save JFC make it stop this game is catnip for story fag me.

 

[Desiderius]

More like tower shields FTL

Game has some really sweet Tower Shields late (and a +3 available at lvl 6). Just the thing to let Seelah tank Unfair. Never had a chance to stack the Heavy DR on top of Tower DR with the new Sword and Board archetype (and other sources of DR) but that should get there too.

Once you've got a feel for the tactics TSS Val in P:K is like butter too.

 

[Cyberarmy]

new Sword and Board archetype

There is a new S&B archtype?!?!!? Must.resist.new.playthrough.

 

[Pathfinder: WoTR]

Once you've got a feel for the tactics TSS Val in P:K is like butter too.

The tactics being "just put your TSS at the front of a party formation", because most enemies just attack the first target they see. Your backline is only really getting hit by the stray AoE attacks or some random demons spawning from behind and focusing on the closest party members.

 

[Desiderius]

Once you've got a feel for the tactics TSS Val in P:K is like butter too.

The tactics being "just put your TSS at the front of a party formation", because most enemies just attack the first target they see. Your backline is only really getting hit by the stray AoE attacks or some random demons spawning from behind and focusing on the closest party members.

Easier said than done, plus there’s how to get Fighting Defensively turned on before mobs start attacking, how to make most out of action econ, identifying vulnerabilities and minimizing them, etc…

Archetype is nice fit with all of those.

 

[Infinitron]

What now?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Smokescreen for Armored Battlemage fix.

 

[Sheepherder]

It does say the str bonus to AC isn't capped by your armor yet says nothing about the shield, so technically its working as written that your shield can still cap the dexterity bonus feat. Stupid as fuck though.

Did some more testing. It's even worse. The max DEX allowed by Tower Shields is not affected by regular Armor Training you get from fighters, it can only be raised by the Tower Shield Training feats you get from Tower Shield Specialist. So at level 15 it's a +5 bonus to max allowed DEX. So like 7 or 9 max DEX total, depending on the shield.
Tower shields suck ass. What is even the point of them, they're only 2* AC more than heavy shields and they can't scale for shit.

 

[Desiderius]

2 AC more, plus unique effects.

TTT has a feat that gives Tower Shield Training (I think) and splashing one level of TSS on non-Fighter also comes with the bonus Feat.

 

[Yosharian]

Did some more testing. It's even worse. The max DEX allowed by Tower Shields is not affected by regular Armor Training you get from fighters, it can only be raised by the Tower Shield Training feats you get from Tower Shield Specialist. So at level 15 it's a +5 bonus to max allowed DEX. So like 7 or 9 max DEX total, depending on the shield.
Tower shields suck ass. What is even the point of them, they're only 1 AC more than heavy shields and they can't scale for shit.

There is no point

Welcome to Owlcat balance

 

[Sheepherder]

2 AC more, plus unique effects.

TTT has a feat that gives Tower Shield Training (I think) and splashing one level of TSS on non-Fighter also comes with the bonus Feat.

Right, 2 AC.
Which gets negated by the cap to DEX, because the Tower Shield Training is only +5 to max DEX total at level 15. So you can only have a DEX bonus to AC of 7 with tower shields. The mythic heavy armor feat that adds half STR instead of DEX gets capped at 38 STR.

And the feat from TTT is bugged, if I get it and equip a Tower Shield, the game crashes. It'd be nice if it worked. I really wanna play a tower shield toon, since they look so much cooler compared to heavy shields.

I think one of the later game tower shields has a base max DEX of 4, maybe?

 

[Desiderius]

2 AC more, plus unique effects.

TTT has a feat that gives Tower Shield Training (I think) and splashing one level of TSS on non-Fighter also comes with the bonus Feat.

Right, 2 AC.
Which gets negated by the cap to DEX, because the Tower Shield Training is only +5 to max DEX total at level 15. So you can only have a DEX bonus to AC of 7 with tower shields. The mythic heavy armor feat that adds half STR instead of DEX gets capped at 38 STR.

And the feat from TTT is bugged, if I get it and equip a Tower Shield, the game crashes. It'd be nice if it worked. I really wanna play a tower shield toon, since they look so much cooler compared to heavy shields.

I think one of the later game tower shields has a base max DEX of 4, maybe?

The hard part of the game is at lvl 6, not lvl 15. Have fun on those endgame raids though! That's where the best Towers show up, so it makes up for it in any event.

You can get to effectively infinite AC by then so the DR Mythic ends up being better than STR-to-AC anyway. If you want to play with a Tower just don't take that Mythic and then you're freed up for something else (if you don't want to go DR either).



You'll be 10 short of this pic because 6 is from a mod and Crane has been fixed, but still more than enough.

Sword and Board Fighter doesn't even need the TSS splash.

 

[Sheepherder]

The hard part of the game is at lvl 6, not lvl 15. Have fun on those endgame raids though! That's where the best Towers show up, so it makes up for it in any event.

You can get to effectively infinite AC by then so the DR Mythic ends up being better than STR-to-AC anyway. If you want to play with a Tower just don't take that Mythic and then you're freed up for something else (if you don't want to go DR either).

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You'll be 10 short of this pic because 6 is from a mod and Crane has been fixed, but still more than enough.

Sword and Board Fighter doesn't even need the TSS splash.

I won't be multi-classing and I'll be playing a Demon, so I'll be missing more AC than 10. Will get hit more often. The new Hearth Protector fighter looks appealing when combined with the DR mythic. TTT has a heavy armor feat to increase DR too.

 

[Desiderius]

Demon with Tower is a nonbo anyway lol

 

[Sheepherder]

Demon with Tower is a nonbo anyway lol

Yeah, probably. But I know for sure, that if I play something optimized as apposed to something I wanna, I'll drop this game at act 4 for sure. Or whichever act is shifting demon city.
I got a mod that makes the mythic feat that makes rages infinite work with demon, so at least it won't be tedious.

 

[Desiderius]

Demon works well with Two-hander Standard actions (Cleaves/Vital Strikes) since Charge/Leap is a Move Action IIRC. Can get AC from other sources but can also just slay. Or you know both.

 

[Infinitron]