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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - now in ALPHA STAGE 2

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    The Law is never meek. Jesus, that mistranslation has damned us all to no end of nonsense, not least the utter cuckitude of Western White Hats.

    Now they're overdoing the correction (see the writing in both Pathfinders) to mean wanton/genocidal cruelty.

    Think traditional manliness (not Chivalry!) and you'll get a better sense.
     
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  2. Shinros Learned

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    I suspect, this is just my theory and I agree with Ind. if you go Lawful Good Aeon, I think GD mentor will take you under his wing. Because going LN stone-called medieval Law is downright cruel and LE has devil. Apparently in the leak with Angel
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  3. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Still, I can't quite see the reason for anyone OTHER THAN Aeon would, from a story perspective, switch to this Path.

    Also, based on the datamined dialogue - will you be killed by the goddess even as an Azata?
     
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  4. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    Gold Dragon is a good specific Mythic Path.

    Out of the original six the one that can be good are:

    Trickster: CG
    Aeon: LG
    Azata: CG/NG
    Angel: CG/NG/LG

    Demon and Lich are non Good.

    NG Angel Path (which I guess would include CG characters) has always about protecting the weak and redemption as the main theme. Gold Dragon (LG, but I think dev in Discord confirms that NG is possible) being the protector of mortals should be right up their alley. Mind that you don't instantly have your thought replaced when you take a Mythic Path. Narrative wise (altho the player is in control of this) what Mythic Path the player choose is indicative of their motivation, not the other way around.

    LG Aeon path currently has the short end of the stick power wise (Aeon hates you for being meek/wavering in the game so it is implied you won't be able to time travel, Devil thinks you are not profiting enough out of this). From my Aeon playthrough, LG Aeon punish with the spirit of teaching a lesson and will consider the motivation behind the law-breaking instead of upholding the Law as main motivation. This is pretty much up GD alley as well.

    I haven't played Azata (the best for the last), but the theme for them seems to be to do good and feel good above all else (hence CG), but the player motivation can range anywhere from actually CG to a more NG one (as LG as an alignment is rather stiff in Owlcat game). Considering NG Gold Dragon is a thing, it is not a stretch that NG or more rational Azata might choose GD as well.

    Trickster I agree won't care about GD at all based from what I see.

    edit: narrative-wise, I think the game is less of "I want to be this Mythic Path thus I set my alignment around it" and more "I am of this alignment with this motivation, so I choose this power." This way it makes sense that you can "jump" ship when something that align more to the character view comes around. Altho most player will probably play like the former rather than the latter.
     
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  5. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    This somehow reverberates with the concept of alignment as resource which IMHO was first presented in Kingmaker.
     
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  6. razvedchiki Liturgist

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    i will prob go legendary mortal first run, cavalier or some good archetype.
     
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  7. Ghulgothas Scholar

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    Have there been any details unearthed on the nature and variety of mounts (specifically those of the Beast Rider), or are those still gettin' developed? Trying to decide whether it'd be worth it to take some levels on a Lich so he may ride on a Pale Horse or something more monstrous.
     
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  8. Morii Learned

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    So uh...will MCA work on WoR?
     
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  9. santino27 Arcane Patron

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    As far as we know. He was supposed to, as part of the kickstarter, and Owlcat stayed quiet when all the #MeToo nonsense with him happened. But since he's also been invisible since then, it's hard to know for sure.
     
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  10. Cleric of Asmodeus Learned

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    I’m intrigued by the mount stuff, too. I don’t recall a party based RPG that had a mount system.. maybe NWN? Do any of the companions have mounts? Otherwise I’ll probably roll a mounted MC (gendarme). Also considering an arcane caster, though.
     
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  11. Lawntoilet Cipher

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    Seelah can have a mount.
    Well really any of the companions can, but Seelah can get one without multiclassing or using any Mythic abilities.
     
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  12. Rico66 Arbiter

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    alignments required for mythic paths if someone is interested
     
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  13. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    I like that demon can be chosen by neutral characters, feels like itll be a "victory at any cost" kinda MC.
     
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  14. Shadenuat Arcane

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    wait where's swarm?
     
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  15. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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  16. ga♥ Liturgist

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    When is it coming out?!?!?!?!
     
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  17. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Am I the only one who is more interested in playing as a Neutral/Lawful Neutral Necromancer (a'la Mortuary Cult from Warhammer) rather than a Lawful Evil Lich?
     
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  18. Cleric of Asmodeus Learned

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    I’m curious about playing a neutral utilitarian Lich too but I’m uncertain about whether the choices will railroad you into evil for the sake of it decisions. I’ll probably try it out.
     
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  19. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Not even utilitarian, but one who doesn't turn people Undead for selfish/cruel reasons. As in "I raise you to be a soldier once more and defend your land" rather than "I raise you for shits and giggles."
     
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  20. Cleric of Asmodeus Learned

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    That's what I was implying, maybe pragmatic is a better term for that, though.
     
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  21. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    I also meant that he treats those he raises with some respect, not like meat puppets.
     
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  22. Nm6k Novice

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    I only play a little of the Lich path so far but there was a few dialogic options like this
     
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  23. santino27 Arcane Patron

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    I didn't realize lawful was (mostly) a pre-req for lich, honestly. I assume there's a lore basis for thwy they cannot be chaotic?
     
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  24. Johnny Biggums Literate

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    I see liches (and vampires) as the aristocrats of the undead, and also becoming a Lich requires study, knowledge, self-control, emotional distance, etc., so makes sense to me. I'm interested if there's a lore basis too.
     
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  25. Shinros Learned

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    Tabletop wise, Lich's are any evil, but in the context of the game and what I've played I agree with this. Also, I think a chaotic evil character would just annoy your Lich master. Now the reason why Demon and Angel has so many alignment choices is pure gameplay mechanics, Angel and Demon are basically default and mirror each other. You need to pick a path, can't go without one. Angel is basically good and Demon is evil. So far, what I've observed from the Alpha and Leaks, trying to go against the grain within your path can lead to certain consequences. The path that is quite clear in this regard is Aeon at the moment.
     
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