Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Robber Baron]

I think greater dispel doesn't work in TB, I'm at that part of battle for Drezen and this shit has no effect on me in TB

nvm I just cant read log

 

[Desiderius]

America the country has always been.

always for total of less than 250 years funny comparisons u make to yourself and majestic Rus

The Empire phaggots have always been the retards and now that they’ve gone global they’re getting exposed

fine, kwaman.
but speed it up then.

They’re going down in record time if you think 250 years (more like 400 give or take) is fast. Roman Republic lasted over 600 so we’re only halfway through once we get rid of these idiots.

If you break it down by race Murkans are competitive with int’l peers on relative idiocy.

 

[Yosharian]

Since we're on the subject of itemization, anyone care to comment on these points regarding Wrath's meta vs Kingmaker's:

unarmored vs armors: are armors better this time around making it worth it to build armored over monk dips for days?

MAD vs SAD: have they reined in the '+8 to all stats, +2 to everything megalixir, Ring of Brokenstances, etc' madness of Kingmaker?

Persuasion: I heard persuading/intimidating is much less valuable for the MC this time around, anyone confirm that?

Animal Companions: did they rein these in finally or are they still ridiculous?

Flanking: is it still two attackers = flanked or do we actually have proper flanking now

Sneak Attack: is this still insanely powerful like in KM or are there decent amounts of Sneak-Immune enemies now?

Archery: how's the longbow balance this time around, are machine gun archers still crazy powerful?

Debuffing: does the AI actually do it now?

that's all I can think of for now

 

[Shadenuat]

Since we're on the subject of itemization, anyone care to comment on these points

since itemization better, armor is better, spells to enchant armor make armors tougher cookies, although I did demonstrate a dwarf Fighter 20 with AC enough to tank Unfair and Will enough to tank Wild Hunt during PK even before it got DLCs. so try and play some armors, before u press meme arcane armor button.
too bad companions don't have enough Heavy Armor guys.

now powahbelts are reserved for latergame

now more enemies are resistant to fear

now you can ride them and wreck faces, but level designers made sure you're fucked if you roll 6 sylvans

i think flanking is same

there are more sneak immuns, one boss would give haplo migraine I think

they are powerful and machinegun companions might be some of the best u get

AI now casts some shit on u, yes. but not on the level of BG2mods.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Flanking: is it still two attackers = flanked or do we actually have proper flanking now

If you attack enemy on horse both you and your mount get flanking bonuses.

 

[Yosharian]

Since we're on the subject of itemization, anyone care to comment on these points

since itemization better, armor is better, spells to enchant armor make armors tougher cookies, although I did demonstrate a dwarf Fighter 20 with AC enough to tank Unfair and Will enough to tank Wild Hunt during PK even before it got DLCs. so try and play some armors, before u press meme arcane armor button.
too bad companions don't have enough Heavy Armor guys.

now powahbelts are reserved for latergame

now more enemies are resistant to fear

now you can ride them and wreck faces, but level designers made sure you're fucked if you roll 6 sylvans

i think flanking is same

there are more sneak immuns, one boss would give haplo migrane I think

they are powerful and machinegun companions might be some of the best u get

AI now casts some shit on u, yes. but not on the level of BG2mods.

Cool beans

 

[Fedora Master]

20+ misses in a row against AC 19.
Now, I understand these streaks happen but...

 

[Parabalus]

unarmored vs armors: are armors better this time around making it worth it to build armored over monk dips for days?

Monk dip prob still has the edge, but it's closer. Apparently they fixed crane.

MAD vs SAD: have they reined in the '+8 to all stats, +2 to everything megalixir, Ring of Brokenstances, etc' madness of Kingmaker?

Middle of Act 4 it's similar to Kingmaker, afterwards Kingmaker is surpassed. Lots of bonus traits. Full set of BG style +2 manuals, and Boken's elixir (verbatim) to boot.

Persuasion: I heard persuading/intimidating is much less valuable for the MC this time around, anyone confirm that?

For the MC yes, companions can help very often. There are still MC only checks, but of all skills, needed for the true ending.

And almost all demons can be feared, Shatter is extremely valuable.

Animal Companions: did they rein these in finally or are they still ridiculous?

Worse than KM, they get ridiculous items too.

Flanking: is it still two attackers = flanked or do we actually have proper flanking now

Yes, KM rules.

Sneak Attack: is this still insanely powerful like in KM or are there decent amounts of Sneak-Immune enemies now?

Nobody is Sneak Immune, but it's less powerful since everything else is more powerful. Lategame enemies have more than 1k HP etc.

Archery: how's the longbow balance this time around, are machine gun archers still crazy powerful?

Yes, and you get mad archer companions too. And now they can join AoO fiesta with Snap Shot.

Debuffing: does the AI actually do it now?

Yes, and there are also scripted dispels.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

Imagine if one night your DM said OK to spice things up the main Deity of this campaign (lets call him, say, Savescummera) has promised to resurrect anyone who fights in his name. In exchange he asks you to fight with exceptional cunning and bravery due to the particularly devious challenges presented by his foes.

Obv there will be stat adjustments in that setting. Is that so wrong?

It's not Owlcat's setting. It's Paizo's setting.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

unarmored vs armors: are armors better this time around making it worth it to build armored over monk dips for days?

Monk dip prob still has the edge, but it's closer. Apparently they fixed crane.

It wasn't fixed according to the combat logs on release. I don't know if they touched during the patches since then.

Spoiler

 

[Fedora Master]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

Imagine if one night your DM said OK to spice things up the main Deity of this campaign (lets call him, say, Savescummera) has promised to resurrect anyone who fights in his name. In exchange he asks you to fight with exceptional cunning and bravery due to the particularly devious challenges presented by his foes.

Obv there will be stat adjustments in that setting. Is that so wrong?

It's not Owlcat's setting. It's Paizo's setting.

The homo companions are 100% Owlcat.

 

[Yosharian]

So my +10 cheesemaster monk-rogue-swordsaint-paladin-stalwartdefender build is still good to go then, eeeeeeeeeexcellent

 

[Shadenuat]

So my +10 cheesemaster monk-rogue-swordsaint-paladin-stalwartdefender build is still good to go then, eeeeeeeeeexcellent

u kno game has new classes u can play and all that.

 

[Orud]

I can mostly tolerate the LBGTQ stuff, since it's minor and not preachy stuff, however the piss poor writing of the primary gay couple sticks out like a sore thumb. Not sure how much of it is Owlcat's doing and how much is a push from Pazio, considering that the primary gay couple and their backgrounds come straight from the source books.

I mean, for example, Owlcat also wrote stuff like this: Lann's response to your character asking if they're not offended by how people refer to them (basically cba with pronouns);

Little rant about the gay couple's writing
I'm fine with gay couples in video games, but they need to be better written than the drivel we ended up with. The primary gay couple are not only the insufferable perfect couple, they also need to point it out almost every conversation.

PC: So, what the hell are we going to do now?
Anevia: Man, I'm so glad my wife is here.
PC: Good to hear, but what are we going to do about the demons?
Anevia: Did you know that our lives are perfect when we're together? I mean, she blows almost all her wage on buying crusade stuff, but HAHA that's really not an issue because money problems don't exist.
PC: Yes, but the demons are literally outside of the door right now.
Anevia: I'm so blessed that I can be besides her.
PC: Ok, I'll just check up on Lann in the meanwhile.
Lann: I OVERHEARD MY BROTHER'S MISCARIAGE AND THEY CAME OUT IN PIECES.
Anevia: That's sad, Lann, but did you know that I literally found the one perfect woman in the entire world?

My character woke up after the initial demon invasion to hear stories of how everyone is shitting their pants or how shitty their life was, to then talk to the gay couple and hear how perfect their god damn life is. It just felt so out of place and tone deaf.

 

[Yosharian]

So my +10 cheesemaster monk-rogue-swordsaint-paladin-stalwartdefender build is still good to go then, eeeeeeeeeexcellent

u kno game has new classes u can play and all that.

Ah I'm only half serious, I do wanna check out the new stuff too.

Honestly I would really like it if Full Plate was the meta tanking option for once.

 

[Shadenuat]

They could have easily added +Keldorn + Minsc into party roster, and it would still be not as balanced as say BG1&BG2 rosters in terms of packing steel and kicking evils butt.
Since also need to add a bunch of INT & WIS casters.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

So really, how much of what you wrote about actually pertains to the game that is being discussed in this thread? I agree with almost everything you said, and yet I fail to see any relevance whatsoever to this game, beyond "theres a lesbian couple, and one of the girls used to have a dick". It's minor, it's a one-time thing, it's not "in your face" but very low-key, it's not a major plot point.

It's not a one-time thing. The lesbian couple are the most prominent NPCs outside of part members until the end of Chapter 3, trans-girl is the one who gives you all the main quests. There is an unique animation of them hugging once they meet each other. Then they discuss interior decorations during the act-ending cutscene. It's very much intended to be prominent and noticeable by everyone. My personal theory is that they wanted to make sure braindead journos notice that there is gay representation in the game.

Also, there are 2 full-time healers in the game, the softest gay black man ever born or bisexual tumblr incarnate, if you're not playing a healer yourself you need one of them. They will both hit on your male PC until you explicitly tell them to fuck-off.

It's not like people are talking about minor details, people are discussing things that were made to be noticed by as many people as possible. The only reason why wokeness didn't completely ruined the game is that long stretches of the game are dungeons with little to no dialogue. Sossiel is a terrible character and probably one of the worst gays characters in media in general, but he's bearable when the only thing he says are order responses.

 

[Alienman]

Ehhh... why the discussion policing? You know, a discussion forum is

Discussion policing is if I was a moderator and dingdonbanned people. There's a SJW in Gaming Thread where you can whine about slaaneshites to your heart content.
The first 50-100 pages of this thread is pure edgy shitposting, it's not "discussion".
The GameBanshee revio is better than 90% of what people wrote, until people who actually play games began to wake up and post.

What makes this convo so damn weird - is you going on that we shouldn't discuss it here and implying somehow that we poor westerners want Russia to "save" us - while the game in question being Russian made but still jammed with SJW shit. What is going on here?

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

Imagine if one night your DM said OK to spice things up the main Deity of this campaign (lets call him, say, Savescummera) has promised to resurrect anyone who fights in his name. In exchange he asks you to fight with exceptional cunning and bravery due to the particularly devious challenges presented by his foes.

Obv there will be stat adjustments in that setting. Is that so wrong?

It's not Owlcat's setting. It's Paizo's setting.

The homo companions are 100% Owlcat.

Sosiel, Lann, Wendulag, Arueshalae and Seelah are Pazzio's.

 

[Robber Baron]

You DID keep the spiky gang alive through the whole siege, zero rests, zero casualties and made Regill proud right?

Spoiler

 

[Seigneur Locklear]

I'm too lazy to dig up the thread but I was thinking ; what was actually the result of Avellone's involvement in this game? Did they give him like 2-3 paragraphs to write just so they can stamp his name on the product and call it a day?

 

[Fedora Master]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

Imagine if one night your DM said OK to spice things up the main Deity of this campaign (lets call him, say, Savescummera) has promised to resurrect anyone who fights in his name. In exchange he asks you to fight with exceptional cunning and bravery due to the particularly devious challenges presented by his foes.

Obv there will be stat adjustments in that setting. Is that so wrong?

It's not Owlcat's setting. It's Paizo's setting.

The homo companions are 100% Owlcat.

Sosiel, Lann, Wendulag, Arueshalae and Seelah are Pazzio's.

What the hell? Seelah is the Iconic character for paladins but the rest I've never heard of.

 

[Reinhardt]

the softest gay black man ever born

Who actually psycho permanently looking for fights.

 

[Fedora Master]

the softest gay black man ever born

Who actually psycho permanently looking for fights.

So he's an insecure homosexual black man with poor impulse control you say...

 

[Mortmal]

Meredoth What summons did you have success with when you went necromancer?

Is animate dead good if you can use meta magic and extend it on them? I don’t know we’ll they would work against potential demons encounters and demons at this point in the game (CH2).

Create Undead is a amazing spell. Summon monster too is great. Items which allwo monster summoning too. I have a ring which allows em to 3x per day, summon two CR 14 minotaur. As for animate dead, it is great in low level but worthless in high level. In fact, persistent spells like domain of the hungry flesh are the best "lich spells"

Domain of hungry flesh doesnt work at the end either , nor the rifts or any control spell. I dont think summons will be any good as the stats of demons are absurdly overtuned .End Game is made for build that crit 3000 like the trickster.