Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Fedora Master]

Imho, the biggest issue with a HoMM battles right now is the low lethality of the combat. Units just have way too much HP/AC comparing to the damage they do.
And the ridiculous situation when two 100+ creature stacks keep hitting each killing off 1-2 units for 50+ rounds is unthinkable in any proper HoMM.

Due to this any non-mage general is a pain to play.

And I won't be surprised if there is also shitton bugs in all calculations on top of questionable design decisions, like not implementing any retaliation.

Most battles in late A3 and A5 end in <5 turns, you just nuke everything.

There are some which drag >150 turns though.

Biggest problem is that the auto-resolve is fucked, in A5 now battles which you win in 2 turns have you losing in autoresolve, so it adds a lot of busywork.

I'm fairly certain autoresolve doesn't take general skills into account at all, so it's no surprise.

 

[Shadenuat]

GameBanshee review: https://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/125485-pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous-review/all-pages.html

not terrible revio.

The failing empire are the wokels dumbass. We’re what comes next. You can lead a Slav to the truth but you cannot make him think.

You're living in idiocracy at this point, you can't lead anyone anywhere.

 

[NJClaw]

Going to respec into sacred huntsmaster, because Druid sucks

Thac0 Ontopoly

Druid gang, ATTACK

All I can say is, that I am very happy now with my longspear wielding dinosaur druid. An enlarged longspear with power attack deals about 20 damage per strike on level 2, my druid killed both the water elemental and the glaive wielder cultist boss pretty much alone with two hits each after entangling them.

I can't wait to try the Drovier. Sharing Aspect of the Wolf with the entire party sounds insane and fun.

 

[The_Mask]

Does Thorn Body work against swarms? Has anyone done any research into this interraction?

 

[Daidre]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

 

[Cryomancer]

Meredoth What summons did you have success with when you went necromancer?

Is animate dead good if you can use meta magic and extend it on them? I don’t know we’ll they would work against potential demons encounters and demons at this point in the game (CH2).

Create Undead is a amazing spell. Summon monster too is great. Items which allwo monster summoning too. I have a ring which allows em to 3x per day, summon two CR 14 minotaur. As for animate dead, it is great in low level but worthless in high level. In fact, persistent spells like domain of the hungry flesh are the best "lich spells"

 

[Desiderius]

Imho, the biggest issue with a HoMM battles right now is the low lethality of the combat. Units just have way too much HP/AC comparing to the damage they do.
And the ridiculous situation when two 100+ creature stacks keep hitting each killing off 1-2 units for 50+ rounds is unthinkable in any proper HoMM.

Due to this any non-mage general is a pain to play.

And I won't be surprised if there is also shitton bugs in all calculations on top of questionable design decisions, like not implementing any retaliation.

That hasn’t been my experience. If you were whiffing this much with your MC and companions would you re-examine what you’re doing? Shield bearers have Towers. You guys are like the equivalent of people constantly missing with Val the first week P:K came out.

 

[AwesomeButton]

You're lamenting the fact that enemies have inflated stats. A couple of days ago you were crying because the gargoyles in Regill's quest hurt you and you had to reload DOZENS (!?!?!?) of times in certain encounters in the Gray Garrison. Easier modes solve exactly those problems.

Playing on easier difficulties doesn't make you any less of a man, you know?

BTW, moving the Damage to party slider doesn't affect the difficulty setting as displayed in the options.

 

[Reinhardt]

Am i missing some road for my grorious army here or it will unlock in later chapters?

 

[DeepOcean]

To defend that side, that's not what the ire is about

It doesn't matter how much you shitpost about yourself being a proud fighter against the awful system, how many memes you make and post, cuck ratings give, and so on, here. Codex is considered by your opponents as Zoo; even worse - a Reservation. They care fuck about your glorious fight and think of you no more than apes throwing shit at the world while behind the bars. You basically use Codex to vent your stress out about your falling Empires. While Codex is about being mad at failing RPGs.
You want change, you'll have to do Planet of the Apes, not shaking the bars and crying; like making utub channel or something, or raiding enemy camps.
And stop crying and begging about how Russians don't save your world; it's as miserable as eastern europeans begging USA to "civilise" & protecc their country(s).

Ehhh... why the discussion policing? You know, a discussion forum is some place where people go to discuss things that they like and dont like, I never heard about this idea that any discussion was only allowed if you intended to save the world and if you cant change the opinion of millions of retards, you cant talk about anything. Seems like a strange argument.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm not sure Owlcat knows what Core rules really mean.

I kind of agree with reviewer on this one.

Imagine if one night your DM said OK to spice things up the main Deity of this campaign (lets call him, say, Savescummera) has promised to resurrect anyone who fights in his name. In exchange he asks you to fight with exceptional cunning and bravery due to the particularly devious challenges presented by his foes.

Obv there will be stat adjustments in that setting. Is that so wrong?

 

[Parabalus]

Am i missing some road for my grorious army here or it will unlock in later chapters?

A5, can't go further now.

Also, your army

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will disappear completely. Buildings remain.

Did you skip days a lot? I'm just 2 months ahead of you in A5.

 

[Shadenuat]

Ehhh... why the discussion policing? You know, a discussion forum is

Discussion policing is if I was a moderator and dingdonbanned people. There's a SJW in Gaming Thread where you can whine about slaaneshites to your heart content.
The first 50-100 pages of this thread is pure edgy shitposting, it's not "discussion".
The GameBanshee revio is better than 90% of what people wrote, until people who actually play games began to wake up and post.

 

[Reinhardt]

Did you skip days a lot?

Investigating relics.

 

[Efe]

if you run out of enemies, build while you can cos once morale is -100, you will have no income

 

[Desiderius]

if you run out of enemies, build while you can cos once morale is -100, you will have no income

Now THAT’s a shitty mechanic.

 

[Parabalus]

if you run out of enemies, build while you can cos once morale is -100, you will have no income

Now THAT’s a shitty mechanic.

You'd probably have to skip half a year to hit that soft timer.

 

[ga♥]

HellKittyKnights

 

[Sharpedge]

who's going to name lower?

I will. Playful Darkness is tpk even on journo mode.

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too bad probably no journo even found him, it's a great troll

In my current playthrough, I had this to say to playful darkness:

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To be honest, its a great optional fight. He has so many weaknesses and its on you to figure out how to overcome them.

 

[Desiderius]

GameBanshee review: https://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/125485-pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous-review/all-pages.html

not terrible revio.

The failing empire are the wokels dumbass. We’re what comes next. You can lead a Slav to the truth but you cannot make him think.

You're living in idiocracy at this point, you can't lead anyone anywhere.

Leading?

This is where our divergent histories lead you astray. Rus has always been some kind of Empire or another. That’s why you had a Tsar.

America the country has always been a Republic and the best people have always wanted to keep it that way. Nation of shopkeepers and smallholders and tinkerers and inventors and farmers and gamers.

The Empire phaggots have always been the retards and now that they’ve gone global they’re getting exposed. Maybe we work together to keep Han and Brahmins in line but there’s no interest in leading anyone anywhere.

 

[Reinhardt]

Don't worry, i heard kween will kill you all in next chapter. Happy-happy, love-love.

 

[Saark]

To defend that side, that's not what the ire is about (at least not from most of the people who are annoyed about it here, I think). The ire is about the poz in this game being just another tiresome symptom of a general systematic malaise in culture and society.

If (as a reasonable, liberal person) you're still thinking of this in terms of the humanistic defense of statistically abnormal people having a right to be who they are and not be beaten up, etc., then that's the way the Owlcat people are thinking of it too. And that's a rationally defensible position that reasonable people can argue about.

But that's not the way the cultural trend in the West has gone. It's gone way beyond that point. The cultural trend is towards the normalization (holding up as an ideal) of the statistically abnormal and the marginalization (public denigration and humiliation) of the statistically normal. And the saturation of entertainment product with poz is now part of that, it's no longer part of a trend towards occasional humanistic reminders (as it was, say, back in the 80s or 90s).

When people talk about "slippery slope" arguments, by now it should be obvious that the "slippery slope" curmudgeons in the 50s and 60s were quite correct: what started as a humanistic defense has become the normalization of degeneracy.

And that's deliberate, it's not an accident - but expostulating on that would be going too far afield for now. At any rate, it's an example of the rhetorical tactic of "Motte & Bailey" - you have two versions of a position with the same name, one crazy that normal people wouldn't agree with, one reasonable that reasonable people can argue about. When challenged on the crazy position, the ideologue retreats to the defensible position - "What, you don't like trannies dressed like Satan teaching your kids, do you want to kill all gay people or something?"

While most of what you said is true to a certain extent, you have no idea how sick and tired I am of the "OMG SJW AGENDA IN MUH VIDEOGAMES" crowd that spends 95% of their time in the poltiics forums or GD, and starts invading every single fucking gaming thread that isn't a straightup shooter but has a narrative focus. There will be gay couples in videogames that have, well, couples. A game that portrays governments or politics will, inevitably, discuss one side or the other. That's not an SJW agenda, thats just how narratively driven games work, and they always have. There might be games out there that go far beyond what these types of games have done for decades, and those games do deserve some ridicule for it. But there's a point where its just pointless whining that's not even accurate anymore.

There is nothing in WotR right now, that makes me think the game is trying to push some liberal agenda. Yeah, there's a fairly obvious nod towards it in the first 2 hours of the game. And then it's gone. Despite that, we have the same shitposters who whine about it in every gaming thread imaginable complaining about it in here as well, even though the majority of the game has none of that kind of content. If anything, it goes the other way. It's much darker than Kingmaker, in my opinion, and the demon-centric theme allows them to explore some much more extreme territories than wouldn't have been possible in a different setting. It's a game where during an entire chapter, the [Lawful] choice is to support slavery.

We complain about Game Journos only playing the first 4 hours of the game and judging it based on that, while the same anti-liberal shitposter crowd occasionally leaves their pol-forum hive and does the exact same thing. "Saw lesbian couple, refunded game". And it happens in every single fucking thread. Some games deserve this kind of criticism. But dear god it's fucking annoying to read the same drivel 20 times a day, usually from the same ~10people as well, especially in a game that really doesn't push the SJW agenda all that much.

So really, how much of what you wrote about actually pertains to the game that is being discussed in this thread? I agree with almost everything you said, and yet I fail to see any relevance whatsoever to this game, beyond "theres a lesbian couple, and one of the girls used to have a dick". It's minor, it's a one-time thing, it's not "in your face" but very low-key, it's not a major plot point. So I'll ask again, in what way does this negatively affect the enjoyment of the game? The solution to the issues you mentioned aren't to completely remove all references to this kind of agenda from games, or expect that to happen. It's not about supporting devs who go full-on against it, like Vavra, but about supporting Devs who simply try to be neutral about it. WotR is one such game, based on the ~140hours or so I played of it so far. The game has many issues, but being "pozzed" ain't one of them, unless your view of the game is really based on the first 2 hours of it. And then you're no better than a typical game journo.

 

[Shadenuat]

America the country has always been.

always for total of less than 250 years funny comparisons u make to yourself and majestic Rus

The Empire phaggots have always been the retards and now that they’ve gone global they’re getting exposed

fine, kwaman.
but speed it up then.

 

[The_Mask]

If you're a Dhampir - Sorcerer of Undead Bloodline and you worship Urgathoa, this is what you get as you have your first step towards Lichdom. Really nice attention to detail.

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[Yosharian]

Note I did not mean itemization is bad. It seems better then in Kingmaker and solid overall, with good variety too. Glad to hear huge stat boosters are not growing on trees this time around.

But Deadfire is a crazy high bar in relation to itemization. It makes or breaks builds, changes playstyles. Not sure if any game can beat it. For sure I haven't played anything with itemization even remotely as good (and no, BG doesn't compare, its long left in the dust).

I was more amused that you were bringing up Deadfire than disagreeing with you. I haven't even played the game yet so I can't comment on that. I just laughed when I read your comment. Get a partner that looks at you the same way Haplo looks at Deadfire's itemization.