Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[frajaq]

everyday I learn more about Pathfinder system I understand min-maxers more and more

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

For me it means that they cared more about journos giving them good reviews over some users getting fed-up with the barrage of woke bullcrap.

I agree with this statement. IIRC it is called "marketing", no? I am an ESL, so I might mix things up.

Is it really just "marketing" if the game itself is made to pander to journalists?

 

[Rafidur]

Lich skills give stat buffs, and has unique support spells like "full heal all undead allies" (level 7), but yeah doesn't seem worth the loss of mythic passives.

 

[Israfael]

Western lol, what a maroon. Ask the wokels how western they are. They hate the West more than you do dumbass.

Wokism is the peak emanation of liberalism (something anthitetic to "eastern" communalism), what are you talking about? Having a freedom to be a socially-recognized deviant is an ultimate form of liberty according to the tenets of Locke and other godfathers of librulism. It's wildly offtopic, but just peruse typical tankie/wumao and SJW/anarcho-whatever (glowies, basically) subreddits / chans etc, the latter group hates collectivism and promotes deviancy while old commies focus on economy and typically agree with current China (and former USSR) policies towards 'brave and stunning' shiny snowflakes

 

[Saark]

Still haven't managed to find a way to fix my game soft-locking, so I'll just assume it's a general issue with Nocticulas Palace. More and more reports flowing in from people being unable to finish the audience quest with her in Chapter 4 since the patch, so maybe my Chapter 3 Demon Mythic Path is bugging out for a similar reason. Still sucks, so far Demon seems pretty interesting from a narrative PoV. Aru already worrying about my powers and how it might affect her (selfish cunt thinking about herself instead of the greater good, I'll make sure to corrupt her this time around).

I'm not sure if Nocticula is just playing me, but asking me to find and kill Areelu is very different to what happened for my Lich in Chapter 4. She's clearly playing Areela to get the Lexicon to ascend herself, though.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

So I'm exploring the demon city but I'm not impressed. The design and visuals are really great but the content itself is kind underwhelming. Despite being part of the abyss the entire place feels like a generic evil city with all the crooks replaced by demons. There is a brothel, but you can fuck high level demoness there. There's a slave market but he slave traders are epic level demon dudes, etc. You run into angry drunks, but these are super high level angry drunks. Same shit, different coat of paint. Reminds me of fighting epic level gnoll spirits in MoTB. One thing that really stands out are low-level demons acting as beggars. Like seriously? They're counting on charity in the place populated almost exclusively by explicitly evil creatures? Why are they even allowed to live like that? If they're too weak to earn a living shouldn't someone just enslave them already?

 

[Mauman]

Imagine the levels of obnoxiousness required, so Paizo would "fire" a POC employee.

Ugh....I could have gone the rest of my life without remembering that person.

Abuses fans/acts completely unprofesional, get's fired, calls sexism....

What a piece of shit.

 

[Saark]

So I'm exploring the demon city but I'm not impressed. The design and visuals are really great but the content itself is kind underwhelming. Despite being part of the abyss the entire place feels like a generic evil city with all the crooks replaced by demons. There is a brothel, but you can fuck high level demoness there. There's a slave market but he slave traders are epic level demon dudes, etc. You run into angry drunks, but these are super high level angry drunks. Same shit, different coat of paint. Reminds me of fighting epic level gnoll spirits in MoTB. One thing that really stands out are low-level demons acting as beggars. Like seriously? They're counting on charity in the place populated almost exclusively by explicitly evil creatures? Why are they even allowed to live like that? If they're too weak to earn a living shouldn't someone just enslave them already?

I think the Lower City inhabitants mostly consist of people that are too weak/dumb to be considered to have value. Essentially, slaves that no one would buy to eat, fuck, torture, or use for work or for killing. Its a city that is as inviting to species from other planes as a city in the abyss can be, so theres plenty of other shenanigans going on. I quite liked the secluded feel of most of the city, compared to the very dense and populated feel of the lower part. The random gangs of demons attacking you at every second corner got annoying really fucking fast, though. But you can tell that it's a city not made for humans, or regular mortals, but for species with teleportation abilities.

 

[Fedora Master]

I assume PF doesn't have a Bloodwar equivalent?

 

[Thonius]

I just had a bug where I could not pause... in the rtWP game. :^)
Tried spacebar, tried Icon near clock/compass thingy lmao.

 

[LannTheStupid]

They hate the West more than you do dumbass.

Read Engels - or Hegel. "Negation of the Negation" is how the progress goes.

 

[Saark]

I assume PF doesn't have a Bloodwar equivalent?

No. Devils, Daemons and Demons are at odds with each other, as they each represent one part of the Evil Alignment Axis, but there's no open war or anything. They just all mind their own business and try to fuck shit up for certain planes, with Demons being the only ones that want to fuck up everything. Devils and Daemons mostly concern themselves with mortals, not other Outsiders.

 

[Fedora Master]

There's the problem then, that's how you get "worthless" demons. Can't even use em as cannonfodder.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Is it really just "marketing" if the game itself is made to pander to journalists?

Yes, it is made to pander to journalists - together with everybody else. To build pornographers, min-maxxers, C&C and reactivity fans, epic dark fantasy enjoyers, and many, many more. Most of them pay money; and there are no angry reviews yet.

 

[Desiderius]

Western lol, what a maroon. Ask the wokels how western they are. They hate the West more than you do dumbass.

Wokism is the peak emanation of liberalism (something anthitetic to "eastern" communalism), what are you talking about? Having a freedom to be a socially-recognized deviant is an ultimate form of liberty according to the tenets of Locke and other godfathers of librulism. It's wildly offtopic, but just peruse typical tankie/wumao and SJW/anarcho-whatever (glowies, basically) subreddits / chans etc, the latter group hates collectivism and promotes deviancy while old commies focus on economy and typically agree with current China (and former USSR) policies towards 'brave and stunning' shiny snowflakes

Communalism isn't Eastern, China has the lowest trust society on the planet. The Brahmins who offed Damore, Trump, and Flynn are all Caste before bros. They gave a big middle finger to the community they were supposed to be a part of and our treasured norms.

It's easy to blame librulism because hicklibs are showing the whole world their asses right now but at worst it's like AIDS in that it stops the things that could fight the disease rather than the disease itself.

They hate the West more than you do dumbass.

Read Engels - or Hegel. "Negation of the Negation" is how the progress goes.

Engels was a spoiled rich kid. They all are.

 

[Saark]

There's the problem then, that's how you get "worthless" demons. Can't even use em as cannonfodder.

Its inherent to their creation process. Pathfinder Demons are always created from Larvae of sinful mortal souls that survive the initial "stage" of gestation, i.e. eating each other. D&D demons can be created by the Abyss itself as an extension of the chaos it represents. I guess it could explain why demons are a bit more similar to humans or other mortal races in PF, compared to D&D.

Arushalae actually talks about the first memories she has, as one of the Larvae, iirc.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Engels was a spoiled rich kid. They all are.

It does not make dialectical materialism automatically wrong.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

So I'm exploring the demon city but I'm not impressed. The design and visuals are really great but the content itself is kind underwhelming. Despite being part of the abyss the entire place feels like a generic evil city with all the crooks replaced by demons. There is a brothel, but you can fuck high level demoness there. There's a slave market but he slave traders are epic level demon dudes, etc. You run into angry drunks, but these are super high level angry drunks. Same shit, different coat of paint. Reminds me of fighting epic level gnoll spirits in MoTB. One thing that really stands out are low-level demons acting as beggars. Like seriously? They're counting on charity in the place populated almost exclusively by explicitly evil creatures? Why are they even allowed to live like that? If they're too weak to earn a living shouldn't someone just enslave them already?

I think the Lower City inhabitants mostly consist of people that are too weak/dumb to be considered to have value. Essentially, slaves that no one would buy to eat, fuck, torture, or use for work or for killing. Its a city that is as inviting to species from other planes as a city in the abyss can be, so theres plenty of other shenanigans going on. I quite liked the secluded feel of most of the city, compared to the very dense and populated feel of the lower part. The random gangs of demons attacking you at every second corner got annoying really fucking fast, though. But you can tell that it's a city not made for humans, or regular mortals, but for species with teleportation abilities.

You're missing the point. Who would ever give them anything? In order to be a beggar they need a bunch of charitable and gullible people who will give them money for free. Save for a couple of people the entire population is made of creatures for are embodiment of not being very charitable or kind to anyone. The population of creatures that are at least neutral is too small to sustain them. Can you imagine a Succubus throwing some coins to a poor starving shitmob? Also they're not that worthless, some of the beggars are these fat little demons that throw poison fog in the HoMM battles.

 

[dacencora]

Dude, I cannot. They did they same exact fuck-ups they did the last game.

Dogshit optimization with shitton of memory leaks, visual glitches and game ruining bugs (including bugs that were fixed in the first game, like enemies becoming immortal for no reason). How fucking retarded do you have to be to make the same bugs AGAIN?
Half of the damn game you will spend on loading screens! Why does it have to load in to every open world battle, house, map, crusade encounter? Holy shit!

I'm not one to bring up the "upgrade your toaster" argument, but I'm playing this at 1440p with all options maxed out, on a machine that's a bit over 7 years old. The only newer component is a 1080ti (2017), which I bought second hand in 2020. I'm just saying it's not all that about the optimization. And yes, you need an ssd, damn it.

You do realize that a 1080ti is still one of the best cards you can have, right? I mean the 2080/Ti edge it out and the 3070/3080/3090 are definitely better but bots are eating them left and right.

-t. GTX 1080 holder, been trying to upgrade for like 2 years lol.

 

[Fedora Master]

Besides, why would demons use currency.
So far the DnD version sounds like it makes more sense.

 

[Saark]

You're missing the point. Who would ever give them anything? In order to be a beggar they need a bunch of charitable and gullible people who will give them money for free. Save for a couple of people the entire population is made of creatures for are embodiment of not being very charitable or kind to anyone. Why is ever gonna give them anything? The population of creatures that are at least neutral is too small to sustain them. Can you imagine a Succubus throwing some coins to a poor starving shitmob? Also they're not that worthless, some of the beggars are these fat little demons that throw poison fog in the HoMM battles.

Theyre powerless creatures (oftentimes due to having their powers stripped from them) in a city that has visitors from all kinds of planes, most if not all of which end up in the lower city first. There's plenty of other outsiders, including non-evil ones, that are more than willing to be "kind" whether it is for personal benefit, or because their nature dictates them to be that way. There were beggars in Sigil, and there's no reason for there to not be any in this city either. It's not just demons, its all kinds of folk visiting and some of the beggars might very well be simply disgusing themselves to look for weak-willed travellers or other demons to take advantage of. What else are they gonna do?

 

[Desiderius]

Spoiler

https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691157658/three-critics-of-the-enlightenment

 

[Jorus]

Finished my Demon playthrough and achieved the

Spoiler

Ascension ending

Overall I had more fun with Demon than I did with the Lich path which is a shame since I was more hyped for the Lich path.

 

[Jackpot]

Wow, the zap attack that dropped in Blackwater actually got a thumbnail and description.

Now if there isn't some secret quest to upgrade them into a superpowerful weapon that I can wield later on I'm going to be disappointed.

 

[Lamiosa]

Finished my Demon playthrough and achieved the

Spoiler

Ascension ending

Overall I had more fun with Demon than I did with the Lich path which is a shame since I was more hyped for the Lich path.

Yeah I'm having a blast too, this shit never gets old:

Spoiler

I think I could get a higher DC if I made some different choices during the mythic quest, but it doesn't matter at this point, game difficulty took a dive after the insane late game power of demon path

Although I found the reactivity a bit low in chapter 5, I'm not sure even if there are crusaders following me anymore lol
I will probably go lawful good next time, got hyped by the dragon lady from the new total war trailer. It looks like Eldritch Scion can get dragonkind III now? Bloodrager could work too but you only get dragonform on level 16.