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[Heroic Liberator]

Hence, nowadays, a president (male) is called "Presidente" (old generic title from latin using "E") while we use "Presidentessa" for a female one. "Dottoressa" followed the same fate, my mother always insisted she's called a "Dottore"

Which is a good thing imho. Either you gender all such nouns or you gender none.

(Although I should emphasize that my stance is purely a matter of linguistic preference rather than something ideological. Ordnung muss sein and all that.)

 

[Matalarata]

We agree to desagree on that then.

 

[Cyberarmy]

A spoiler-ish question for those on later chapters. What is the highest level of bracers of Armour you have found?

8, one from a dungeon 2 from act 5 vendors I think.

 

[Reinhardt]

So there is trap on the street in the mid level in Abyss. I decided to dimension door over it and disable it. And somehow ended on some roof on another side of the map.

 

[Riel]

I am a little fed up with the abuse of the flat footed status. I don't know about Pathfinder but when I used to play 3.5D&D flat footed was only applied when there was an actual surprise attack, not just when you opened a door in an obvious combat area and are more than expecting an enemy in every hall and corridor. Hell! sometimes a combat will end for a fraction of a second and then a new enemy will come and flat foot the whole party once more. It's silly design.

And don't get me going about the charge bug, that makes a charge fail and waste the action. I guess this will be fixed eventually, but toning down "flat footed" would actually be appreciated very much.

 

[Lord of Riva]

We agree to desagree on that then.

The argument is faulty. I do make a point to not gender myself because we do differentiate Genus and Sexus in out language and conflating the two has a myriad of issues.

But I agree with Magnat in the sense that languages evolve in a way for a reason, if these things have been evolved normally through use then there is nothing wrong with it.
I would say there is not much merit in forcing language into a specific mold, because that inevitable leads to the population not understanding each other.

And that doesn't sound like a good idea.

 

[Tacgnol]

I am a little fed up with the abuse of the flat footed status. I don't know about Pathfinder but when I used to play 3.5D&D flat footed was only applied when there was an actual surprise attack, not just when you opened a door in an obvious combat area and are more than expecting an enemy in every hall and corridor. Hell! sometimes a combat will end for a fraction of a second and then a new enemy will come and flat foot the whole party once more. It's silly design.

And don't get me going about the charge bug, that makes a charge fail and waste the action. I guess this will be fixed eventually, but toning down "flat footed" would actually be appreciated very much.

They follow the same rules as 3.5.

You're flat footed if you haven't acted in combat yet, it isn't just surprise rounds.

 

[NJClaw]

I am a little fed up with the abuse of the flat footed status. I don't know about Pathfinder but when I used to play 3.5D&D flat footed was only applied when there was an actual surprise attack, not just when you opened a door in an obvious combat area and are more than expecting an enemy in every hall and corridor. Hell! sometimes a combat will end for a fraction of a second and then a new enemy will come and flat foot the whole party once more. It's silly design.

And don't get me going about the charge bug, that makes a charge fail and waste the action. I guess this will be fixed eventually, but toning down "flat footed" would actually be appreciated very much.

D&D 3.5:

Flat-Footed
A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, not yet reacting normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity.

Pathfinder:

Flat-Footed
A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, unable to react normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC and Combat Maneuver Defense (CMD) (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity, unless he has the Combat Reflexes feat or Uncanny Dodge class ability.

Characters with Uncanny Dodge retain their Dexterity bonus to their AC and can make attacks of opportunity before they have acted in the first round of combat.

Same thing in both games: you're flat-footed until your first turn.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I would say there is not much merit in forcing language into a specific mold, because that inevitable leads to the population not understanding each other.

Naturally, but depending on the way in which a spoken language has evolved, a literary standard should try to chisel it by removing as many irregularities as possible in light of those preexisting tendencies (so in this case: predominant usage of gendered nouns -> gendering of all nouns; no gendering of most nouns -> no gendering of any nouns).

 

[Matalarata]

And that doesn't sound like a good idea.

Language must evolve, I agree. Is the reasons why it does so and above all the shapes it takes I'm discussing here. But it's as OT as it can be so I'll drop it.

 

[Reinhardt]

Hell! sometimes a combat will end for a fraction of a second and then a new enemy will come and flat foot the whole party once more.

But new enemies appearing when you looking combat log after battle is textbook

surprise attack

You are NOT ready.

 

[Lord of Riva]

I would say there is not much merit in forcing language into a specific mold, because that inevitable leads to the population not understanding each other.

Naturally, but depending on the way in which a spoken language has evolved, a literary standard should try to chisel it by removing as many irregularities as possible in light of those preexisting tendencies (so in this case: predominant usage of gendered nouns -> gendering of all nouns; no gendering of most nouns -> no gendering of any nouns).

Well, it's like with "Hochdeutsch" having one language with specific meanings is greatly more beneficial than having naturally evolved dialects.

But still, the value of language is it's capacity to be used for communication that should be the main imperative. Having unclear rules is definitely something I would as well "chisel out" however from experience from our reforms trying to force that down simply does not work.

We had the "Neue Rechtschreibreform" in germany when I was a child, now nearly no-one applies ß correctly anymore. And the word "Photo" is now "Foto" but Photovoltaik is still Photovoltaik. Humans are such a Mess...

But let's not further derail the thread, I should really stop jumping on every interesting sentence that promises interesting debate.

EDIT: I guess it somewhat boils to the fact that we want to reach our goal as fast as possible and that is simply not doable. Change comes over generations, "Nobody" speaks "Plattdeutsch" anymore in my gernation, My Mother spoke mostly Hochdeutsch, my grandparents basically always Platt.

It's always a matter of time.

 

[Sunri]

stolen image

Spoiler

 

[Urthor]

Wrath of the Righteous ground to a halt at the start of Act 5 with a corrupted cache bug, and there's like 3-4 other bugs to dodge at the end of Act 4.

Shouldn't play this game haha, it's actually unplayable, grinds to 3 FPS unless I continually quit the game and delete a cache folder.

 

[smaug]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Spoiler

Kicked out Lady Konami and I'm going to proclaim my independence.

Spoiler

I see you played her like a goddamn fiddle.

Spoiler

Devilishly so.

When you going to have a Rockoff with the Devil so he can pay your rent

Spoiler

 

[Cryomancer]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

 

[Sharpedge]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

 

[smaug]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

I don’t like playing pure casters.

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

Do you dip into monk once for the AC bonus stuff? Also, since necromancer is necro spells, are they generally useful against demons? As an EK, do I need to specialize in a certain weapon (aka look up what weapon I want to use) or just not take it and use any weapon I find?

 

[Mortmal]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

Or just the 1 monk-sorcerer- 4 dragondisciple- 10 eldritchknight classic build. You are also merging the book, gaining ton of AC, can also melee with a staff so using lich buffs to its fullest. What are you losing ? A few spell slots compare to other builds , one CL.
If you really like minions, Cruomancer get a +4 bonus to hit on undead summons, that adds to the +6 you get to the lich path but you get it quite late. Thasilonian , i tried it it works but the two extra spell slots dont work with lich spells.
All valid choices but i think the sorcerer will have an easier time.

 

[Nerevar]

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

You could put in 4 levels of dragon disciple in there.

 

[Parabalus]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

I don’t like playing pure casters.

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

Do you dip into monk once for the AC bonus stuff? Also, since necromancer is necro spells, are they generally useful against demons? As an EK, do I need to specialize in a certain weapon (aka look up what weapon I want to use) or just not take it and use any weapon I find?

The spells Lich gets for melee are insane, and you can make the round/level buffs 24h long.

Go Sorc/Signifier/EK in some combination, Monk splash if above core. Vampiric Weapon + 4x Geniekind + Elemental Barrage for instance.

I wouldn't take anything which nerfs your CL too hard, big draw of Lich is you get higher level spells faster.

 

[smaug]

Hold the phone, I know nothing about pathfinder. Going to have to look up this shit.

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

You could put in 4 levels of dragon disciple in there.

Why 4 levels of dragon disciple?

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

I don’t like playing pure casters.

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

Do you dip into monk once for the AC bonus stuff? Also, since necromancer is necro spells, are they generally useful against demons? As an EK, do I need to specialize in a certain weapon (aka look up what weapon I want to use) or just not take it and use any weapon I find?

The spells Lich gets for melee are insane, and you can make the round/level buffs 24h long.

Go Sorc/Signifier/EK in some combination, Monk splash if above core. Vampiric Weapon + 4x Geniekind + Elemental Barrage for instance.

I wouldn't take anything which nerfs your CL too hard, big draw of Lich is you get higher level spells faster.

Wouldn’t you need ascended element before elemental barrage? And why a hell knight signifier?

 

[Mortmal]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

I don’t like playing pure casters.

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

Do you dip into monk once for the AC bonus stuff? Also, since necromancer is necro spells, are they generally useful against demons? As an EK, do I need to specialize in a certain weapon (aka look up what weapon I want to use) or just not take it and use any weapon I find?

You dip in scaled fist monk for the charisma bonus , be sure and double check you have the monk subclass giving AC for your best stat. Lich specific spells are extremely good vs demons , as they bypass the spell resists, their resistance are quite absurd even if you stack up spell penetration and mythic feats . So exsanguinate, blood feast, negative eruption for distance. Vampiric blade when meleeing , bone shield . Also corrupt magic to debuff . In fact the lich spells are so good , regular necromancy spells pale compare to them so that makes thasilonian less interisting.Miniosn are good early , mid game, but late game not so much but that's only my opinion.
As for the wepaon you want quaterstaff as specialization, cause you can monk flurry with it.

 

[Sharpedge]

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

Go pure caster if lich. Merging spellbook is amazing. I suggest Thassilon specialist and Cruoromancer.

I don’t like playing pure casters.

Starting over, I want to go Lich (preferable a martial/caster hybrid.).

Any recommendations for a Lich Martial hybrid class?

I will commit the sacrilegious sin and say if you want to play a hybrid lich, go Sorc 9, Monk 1, Eldritch Knight 10.

Do you dip into monk once for the AC bonus stuff? Also, since necromancer is necro spells, are they generally useful against demons? As an EK, do I need to specialize in a certain weapon (aka look up what weapon I want to use) or just not take it and use any weapon I find?

Yes, you dip monk for the AC stuff. Generally you would want to go TWF to take full advantage of EK, so I would recommend something like rapiers or daggers. Note that building something like this is probably worse than just making a pure caster, but if you are doing it purely because you enjoy the idea of a martial - caster hybrid, then why not.