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[Daidre]

Lann seems like a decent guy and well written. Certainly better than the usual Bioware "Straight Man" archetypes.

And that is the best thing about Lann. He is nice, reasonable and caring enough to perfectly fit the role of forever-friendzoned good man that heroine always feels guilty about. He also got a ridiculous amount of banters, interjections and cross-interjection with Daeran, so competing over the girl adds whole new dimension to their already-great character dynamics.

Add Ember, Wojif and Regill into the mix and the whole thing hits the heights that even BG2 could not dream about in its better moments (like Viconia-Aerie-Jaheira three-sided brawl for a man).
Oh, and pet dragon. Never forget about the pet dragon. I think she got more content than some companions.

ch 3 spoilers

Spoiler

So... I am not embarrassed to admit that I like this kind of thing. I like it almost as much as designing perfect dog-riding builds with fauchards.

 

[volklore]

I need to play with daeran more. I wish he was a cleric and not a weird cleric sorcerer without domains

 

[Thonius]

Daeran is a bro, so far does not look like NE at all btw. And you can make him into melee quite EZ, lots of finesse-based weapons. I added water mystery to him for Ice armor (ez 12 points of nat armor right there), ascension element cold, light mace with cold dmg, and shield. Boom dex melee healer ready. Someone in trouble? Just cast heal that due to feats can be used over distance. Also, dialogs can be amusing.

 

[volklore]

Is there an efficient way of dealing with his curse, apart from taking seelah and using LoH with mercy staggered on first round ?

 

[Thonius]

Not much of a problem later on.

 

[Yosharian]

She has cute moments.

In my playthrough, that disgusting little sl*t is no longer of this world unfortunately during Act 4

Won't spoiler but her romance is not that bad, imho it was the best one between hers and the succubus, untill at least Act V.
It has an actual reward that is useful also (but I don't know if you can get if you don't romance her). I wonder if you romance Lann you can get the same reward Daidre

I heard that Wenduag can give you some kind of negative level on-hit which has a DC attached to your character level, but you can only get it if you romance her? Is that the reward you are talking about?

 

[Yosharian]

Is there an efficient way of dealing with his curse, apart from taking seelah and using LoH with mercy staggered on first round ?

There's some shoes you can get that give permanent Freedom of Movement

 

[Yosharian]

Do you get +1 stat every 5 levels as legend above level 20?

Not only that but they continue to gain extra attacks from BAB...

 

[ga♥]

She has cute moments.

In my playthrough, that disgusting little sl*t is no longer of this world unfortunately during Act 4

Won't spoiler but her romance is not that bad, imho it was the best one between hers and the succubus, untill at least Act V.
It has an actual reward that is useful also (but I don't know if you can get if you don't romance her). I wonder if you romance Lann you can get the same reward Daidre

I heard that Wenduag can give you some kind of negative level on-hit which has a DC attached to your character level, but you can only get it if you romance her? Is that the reward you are talking about?

Spoiler

Yes, also gives you immunity to electricity damage, negative levels (like perma death ward) and poison.
I was romancing her and got it but no idea if you could get it anyway.

 

[Daidre]

My best expert on high tech:

Spoiler

Is Aivu, of all people

At least she gives me skill check XP, like other pets. She also got pretty decent Perception and Lore: Arcana for even more xp hoarding.

 

[Cryomancer]

Romanceable Aivu when? hu3hu3hu3hu3 jk

 

[Haplo]

On Saturday I have finally finished Act 2. I must say that I've felt a little exhausted by that.
This is a very combat heavy game - even for me (primarily a buildfag with a little combatfag).
The marathon of 3 main areas in short succession: Leper's Smile, Lost Chapel and Drezen (the last one somewhat understandably, as its a siege) - each of them with extreme combat density, was honestly a bit much, I've felt.

There were some places in Kingmaker that felt like that too - like the Zombie Cyclops ruins in Varnhold Chapter, but overall the pacing and density felt much better.

Does the pace of the game change sometimes, or is it like that all the way?

 

[Stoned Ape]

On Saturday I have finally finished Act 2. I must say that I've felt a little exhausted by that.
This is a very combat heavy game - even for me (primarily a buildfag with a little combatfag).
The marathon of 3 main areas in short succession: Leper's Smile, Lost Chapel and Drezen (the last one somewhat understandably, as its a siege) - each of them with extreme combat density, was honestly a bit much, I've felt.

There were some places in Kingmaker that felt like that too - like the Zombie Cyclops ruins in Varnhold Chapter, but overall the pacing and density felt much better.

Does the pace of the game change sometimes, or is it like that all the way?

It eases off a bit after that, and also kind of depends which order you approach chapter 3 in as you have a bit more freedom there.

Ending of Chapter 3 is very combat dense, though.

Chapter 4 has lots of possible combat, but more other stuff mixed in (up until the chapter finale again which is combat dense)

Chapter 5 has some combat areas and a couple of puzzle areas (one of which is huge and very boring).

Chapter 6 is almost entirely one long string of fights.

 

[Sunri]

Just killed Queen Galfrey and Irabeth when I had both Seelah and Sosiel in party and nothing feels surreal that paladin helps demon lord kill chosen of her goddess and nothing happens a can give Sosiel a pass after all he is already corrupted but Seelah feels like she outside the story kinda immersion breaking.

Almost like its a bad game, no?

I mean i clocked 350h and i still want to play for another 300h i didnt have this much fun in video game in a long time in my opinion this is one of the best games that came out in recent years and it inst even finished so im looking forward new patches and dlcs if you think wotr is bad then i have no idea what your standard for a good game is

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

On Saturday I have finally finished Act 2. I must say that I've felt a little exhausted by that.
This is a very combat heavy game - even for me (primarily a buildfag with a little combatfag).
The marathon of 3 main areas in short succession: Leper's Smile, Lost Chapel and Drezen (the last one somewhat understandably, as its a siege) - each of them with extreme combat density, was honestly a bit much, I've felt.

There were some places in Kingmaker that felt like that too - like the Zombie Cyclops ruins in Varnhold Chapter, but overall the pacing and density felt much better.

Does the pace of the game change sometimes, or is it like that all the way?

What makes it tiresome is the "less than stellar" encounter design. Lost chapel, for example, is a p cool area (most areas are) but the endless mob of gargoyles/ghouls in the same boring configurations is really draining. That ghoul pool in Drezen was the moment I was genuinely close to rage-deleting the game and when they teleport demons with level draining aura in the middle of your team right after you are done with the endless spam was "oh, fuck you!" and I benched it for a couple of days.

 

[smaug]

Just killed Queen Galfrey and Irabeth when I had both Seelah and Sosiel in party and nothing feels surreal that paladin helps demon lord kill chosen of her goddess and nothing happens a can give Sosiel a pass after all he is already corrupted but Seelah feels like she outside the story kinda immersion breaking.

Almost like its a bad game, no?

I mean i clocked 350h and i still want to play for another 300h i didnt have this much fun in video game in a long time in my opinion this is one of the best games that came out in recent years and it inst even finished so im looking forward new patches and dlcs if you think wotr is bad then i have no idea what your standard for a good game is

I dunno, I played up until the near end of CH3 (Midnight Fane) and clocked in around 120hrs with no desire to continue mostly because of the bad writing and samey combat. There’s a lot of content (which can be varied depending on choices) but it doesn’t override the other flaws for me.

 

[Sunri]

Just killed Queen Galfrey and Irabeth when I had both Seelah and Sosiel in party and nothing feels surreal that paladin helps demon lord kill chosen of her goddess and nothing happens a can give Sosiel a pass after all he is already corrupted but Seelah feels like she outside the story kinda immersion breaking.

Almost like its a bad game, no?

I mean i clocked 350h and i still want to play for another 300h i didnt have this much fun in video game in a long time in my opinion this is one of the best games that came out in recent years and it inst even finished so im looking forward new patches and dlcs if you think wotr is bad then i have no idea what your standard for a good game is

I dunno, I played up until the near end of CH3 (Midnight Fane) and clocked in around 120hrs with no desire to continue mostly because of the bad writing and samey combat. There’s a lot of content (which can be varied depending on choices) but it doesn’t override the other flaws for me.

I don't think the writing is that bad i think it's on BG level nothing special I guess it depends on what path you took and if we talk about combat there are some good challenging fights in this game at least I had fun trying to solve them I mean it's better than most of the new crpgs like pillars and solasta

 

[smaug]

Just killed Queen Galfrey and Irabeth when I had both Seelah and Sosiel in party and nothing feels surreal that paladin helps demon lord kill chosen of her goddess and nothing happens a can give Sosiel a pass after all he is already corrupted but Seelah feels like she outside the story kinda immersion breaking.

Almost like its a bad game, no?

I mean i clocked 350h and i still want to play for another 300h i didnt have this much fun in video game in a long time in my opinion this is one of the best games that came out in recent years and it inst even finished so im looking forward new patches and dlcs if you think wotr is bad then i have no idea what your standard for a good game is

I dunno, I played up until the near end of CH3 (Midnight Fane) and clocked in around 120hrs with no desire to continue mostly because of the bad writing and samey combat. There’s a lot of content (which can be varied depending on choices) but it doesn’t override the other flaws for me.

I don't think the writing is that bad i think it's on BG level nothing special I guess it depends on what path you took and if we talk about combat there are some good challenging fights in this game at least I had fun trying to solve them I mean it's better than most of the new crpgs like pillars and solasta

I went to playing BG2 instead and I think the writing is better even if it’s not great, maybe I’m just not a fan of owlcat writing in particular. Haven’t played any of the new CRPGS.

 

[FreeKaner]

Don't remember the option to romance her, probably have to play as an evil character.

You have to take her at the end of shield maze. If you chose Lann it is not possible.

She will also

Spoiler

always betray you if you didn't.

 

[cw8]

On Saturday I have finally finished Act 2. I must say that I've felt a little exhausted by that.
This is a very combat heavy game - even for me (primarily a buildfag with a little combatfag).
The marathon of 3 main areas in short succession: Leper's Smile, Lost Chapel and Drezen (the last one somewhat understandably, as its a siege) - each of them with extreme combat density, was honestly a bit much, I've felt.

There were some places in Kingmaker that felt like that too - like the Zombie Cyclops ruins in Varnhold Chapter, but overall the pacing and density felt much better.

Does the pace of the game change sometimes, or is it like that all the way?

Act 3 opens up the world and will feel much slower. Act 4 pickups pace again. Act 5 isn't as long as Act 3. Act 6, I heard, is just a dungeon.

 

[Sunri]

Just killed Queen Galfrey and Irabeth when I had both Seelah and Sosiel in party and nothing feels surreal that paladin helps demon lord kill chosen of her goddess and nothing happens a can give Sosiel a pass after all he is already corrupted but Seelah feels like she outside the story kinda immersion breaking.

Almost like its a bad game, no?

I mean i clocked 350h and i still want to play for another 300h i didnt have this much fun in video game in a long time in my opinion this is one of the best games that came out in recent years and it inst even finished so im looking forward new patches and dlcs if you think wotr is bad then i have no idea what your standard for a good game is

I dunno, I played up until the near end of CH3 (Midnight Fane) and clocked in around 120hrs with no desire to continue mostly because of the bad writing and samey combat. There’s a lot of content (which can be varied depending on choices) but it doesn’t override the other flaws for me.

I don't think the writing is that bad i think it's on BG level nothing special I guess it depends on what path you took and if we talk about combat there are some good challenging fights in this game at least I had fun trying to solve them I mean it's better than most of the new crpgs like pillars and solasta

I went to playing BG2 instead and I think the writing is better even if it’s not great, maybe I’m just not a fan of owlcat writing in particular. Haven’t played any of the new CRPGS.

Its quite hard to defend new game when you compare it to beloved classic i think both bgs had better antagonist but overall were less epic so in the end both games are great the problem with bg is that i played it so many times that i know everything about this game so there is nothing to explore nothing new to do there is limit to how many times you can replay old games at least for me

 

[LannTheStupid]

Knowledgeable people, please, explain this math to me:

Math of damage on crit

So a x3 crit results in a number which is not a multiple of 3. How does this happen? Does it mean that for every crit there are 3 (or whatever) independent dice rolls that are added together? Is it how crits are counted in table top? And if so, why is that? Why use several different rolls instead of one roll multiplied by the crit multiplier?

 

[Fedora Master]

Magic still reigns supreme in Crusade Mode.

 

[purupuru]

Knowledgeable people, please, explain this math to me:

Math of damage on crit

So a x3 crit results in a number which is not a multiple of 3. How does this happen? Does it mean that for every crit there are 3 (or whatever) independent dice rolls that are added together? Is it how crits are counted in table top? And if so, why is that? Why use several different rolls instead of one roll multiplied by the crit multiplier?

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Critical-Hits
Yes you roll multiple times and add the rolls together.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Knowledgeable people, please, explain this math to me:

Math of damage on crit

So a x3 crit results in a number which is not a multiple of 3. How does this happen? Does it mean that for every crit there are 3 (or whatever) independent dice rolls that are added together? Is it how crits are counted in table top? And if so, why is that? Why use several different rolls instead of one roll multiplied by the crit multiplier?

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Critical-Hits
Yes you roll multiple times and add the rolls together.

OK, I have just read that. However, the question remains: why? Why several independent rolls? Was it easier without calculators to add 3 2-digit numbers instead of multiplying one number by 3 or 2? Something else?