Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[volklore]

I mean respecing nenio from an int based full arcane castr to another int based full arcane caster isn't exactly super immersion breaking.

 

[Sharpedge]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

 

[Sunri]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

Whats the problem with his curse?

 

[Cryomancer]

Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

IMO not only we should't have respec but also multiclassing and getting prestige classes should be behind long quest arcs. Eg - A Fighter wanting to get levels in hell knight should visit the hell knight outpost and sign the contract and do the training.

 

[volklore]

Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

They are talking about using toybox to change companions base class. And as far as in-game respec, as long as some basic class features/feats are broken, respec needs to be in the game. Otherwise I agree on the principle.

 

[Sharpedge]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

Whats the problem with his curse?

Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.

 

[Sunri]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

Whats the problem with his curse?

Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.

Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance

 

[volklore]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

Whats the problem with his curse?

Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.

Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance

He's a spontaneous caster, that means no metamagic for him on first round as metamagic for spontaneous casters push them to full round actions.

 

[NJClaw]

Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

 

[ga♥]

Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

IMO not only we should't have respec but also multiclassing and getting prestige classes should be behind long quest arcs. Eg - A Fighter wanting to get levels in hell knight should visit the hell knight outpost and sign the contract and do the training.

It's decline but in this kind of games you are 99% going to make bad decisions before hand without knowing what will you expect in a first playthrough.
Like, has anyone found any alchemist specific items?
Honestly I didn't want to respec but I gave in when I realized I didn't pick the only worth feature of my mythic paths (perception 2 as trickster+feat), they should have put the list of feats in the mythic panel but they didn't so how the hell does someone know?

 

[Sharpedge]

The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.

Whats the problem with his curse?

Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.

Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance

I like my full actions.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

 

[NJClaw]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.

 

[Sergiu64]

Doesn't freedom of movement prevent stagger? Why is everyone having trouble with Daeran's curse?

 

[Sharpedge]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.

Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.

 

[Sunri]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.

Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.

that's racist!

 

[Grunker]

That's... really desperate.
I really wanted to like Ember, I really did. But her spell selection... ugh... apart from farting and sending some shinnies at the enemies, there's almost nothing there...

So I benched her. Nenio does the arcane duty, while Cam gives enemies the Evil Eye. At least she can offtank and be a mild DD/backline protector too.

Just respec companions like I'm planning to do once I play this thing. That has the primary benefit of you getting to toy around with 6 crafty builds instead of just 1

Respecing companions is bad for immersion and lore friendlyness. With some exceptions of course (I am sure wendy would assume any training regimen offered by the commander if it showed results). Respecing Ember kinda goes against her "godless prophet" status.

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

To paraphrase a great codexer: "There's only the computer and me, and neither of us cares"

 

[Raghar]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

I neve knew you are into black males.



This is a live action documentary video that shows life of Sosiel. (Along with other high CHA characters.)

 

[Ghulgothas]

The only companion who needs to be saved with a full re-spec is Staunton. He's a disaster-in-motion.

Especially so he'll actually use a weapon befitting a dwarf. Glaives are for fags like Sosiel and Baphomet.

 

[Sharpedge]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.

Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.

that's racist!

it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his temperament. I have met enough people with a similar attitude to him IRL and suffered in their presence to want to have to put up with the gay artsy stuff in a game.

 

[LannTheStupid]

A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions.

From here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions#Staggered
He still can cast in the first round. So if he is not a frontline fighter he should be OK. And, to be honest, I do not see Daeran as a frontline alpha strike fighter; as a reach fighter from the second row - may be.

 

[volklore]

So did shamans get the cut by owlcat implementations ? They are supposed to be able to cast their spirit spells spontaneously, which I assumed would be implemented like they did for ecclesitheurge i.e they would just instead be able to slot their spirit spells in non spirit slots. But right now, it seems shaman spirits function like domains for regular clerics so it completely sucks. I guess that's goodbye to my frost spirit shaman winter witch .

 

[Daidre]

They are supposed to be able to cast their spirit spells spontaneously, which I assumed would be implemented like they did for ecclesitheurge i.e they would just instead be able to slot their spirit spells in non spirit slots

No, they are supposed to cast Spirit/Wandering Spirit spells spontaneously from the separate list of the available "spirit" spells. But it is never more than 1 slot per day on each spell level.

 

[havox]

Act 4 and thinking about throwing in the towel. I can deal with 5 minute time to tranny, the bugs, the crusade management, the rotating bridges, but the combat is just too shit. 90% of it is RTS, I select all my green units, right-click on the red units and they explode. The other 10% is dealing with owlkeks balanced NPCs, 20 class1/5 class2/15 outsider, 150-200 stat pool, +20 natural AC from invisible undispellable unnamed buff, 50 all saving throws, 35 spell resistance, 10/good, 10/magic, 10/adamantium, immune to fire, electric, fear, poison, prone, stat damage, magic missile, magic missile, your mom.
Sadist cavedweller incubus got stuck mid-displacement, Blackwater immortals could be lured to a ladder and ranged down from a safe corner while they stare at you, Playful Darkness decided to start running into a wall instead of fighting but now I'm in hidden abode and there's like 10 of those 60-70AC raidbosses at custom difficulty - enemy adjustment none, it's just obnoxious.
Part of it is my own fault of course, instead of playing Chad Lich sorcerer and exploding everything with OP spells I'm running with a Virgin Azata CHA tank but it still feels bad. Run into combat, check what buffs I need, load game, pre-buff, pre-summon, and then the clown fiesta is on, will I run out of summons that get shredded by seven +50 attacks per round cheeseshredder each NPC has, or roll my Nat20s enough to get through their raidboss health. Even when I win it feels bad.
Now that I think about it, not sure why I expected something good out of slavjank. What am I doing with my life. I could be replaying Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 for the twelfth time instead.

 

[Ramnozack]

A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions.

From here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions#Staggered
He still can cast in the first round. So if he is not a frontline fighter he should be OK. And, to be honest, I do not see Daeran as a frontline alpha strike fighter; as a reach fighter from the second row - may be.

Freedom of Movement negates that staggered disadvantage. You can get permanent freedom of movement boots as soon as CH3 starts. Daeran can actually be quite a good melee fighter if you get him nature second mystery and a horse.