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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

Sharpedge

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The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.
Whats the problem with his curse?
Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.
 

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The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.
Whats the problem with his curse?
Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.
Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance
 

volklore

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The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.
Whats the problem with his curse?
Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.
Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance
He's a spontaneous caster, that means no metamagic for him on first round as metamagic for spontaneous casters push them to full round actions.
 

ga♥

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Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

IMO not only we should't have respec but also multiclassing and getting prestige classes should be behind long quest arcs. Eg - A Fighter wanting to get levels in hell knight should visit the hell knight outpost and sign the contract and do the training.

It's decline but in this kind of games you are 99% going to make bad decisions before hand without knowing what will you expect in a first playthrough.
Like, has anyone found any alchemist specific items?
Honestly I didn't want to respec but I gave in when I realized I didn't pick the only worth feature of my mythic paths (perception 2 as trickster+feat), they should have put the list of feats in the mythic panel but they didn't so how the hell does someone know?
 

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The only companion I have really been tempted to respec is Daerun and the only thing I want to change is his curse, because its annoying and I feel like the developers were trolling by giving him the most mechanically annoying curse.
Whats the problem with his curse?
Its not a bad curse (technically it has 1 of the best upsides), but its mechanically annoying to have him staggered at the first round of every fight.
Its not like you want move him around often he can heal/attack from distance
I like my full actions.
 

LannTheStupid

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).
 

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).
I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.
 

Sharpedge

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).
I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.
Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.
 

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).
I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.
Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.

that's racist!
 

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That's... really desperate.
I really wanted to like Ember, I really did. But her spell selection... ugh... apart from farting and sending some shinnies at the enemies, there's almost nothing there...

So I benched her. Nenio does the arcane duty, while Cam gives enemies the Evil Eye. At least she can offtank and be a mild DD/backline protector too.

Just respec companions like I'm planning to do once I play this thing. That has the primary benefit of you getting to toy around with 6 crafty builds instead of just 1
Respecing companions is bad for immersion and lore friendlyness. With some exceptions of course (I am sure wendy would assume any training regimen offered by the commander if it showed results). Respecing Ember kinda goes against her "godless prophet" status.

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

To paraphrase a great codexer: "There's only the computer and me, and neither of us cares"
 

Raghar

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
I neve knew you are into black males.



This is a live action documentary video that shows life of Sosiel. (Along with other high CHA characters.)
 

Ghulgothas

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The only companion who needs to be saved with a full re-spec is Staunton. He's a disaster-in-motion.

Especially so he'll actually use a weapon befitting a dwarf. Glaives are for fags like Sosiel and Baphomet.
 

Sharpedge

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Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL
Can't Daeran be made a competent necromancer? With Bones as the second mystery?

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).
I'm sure Daeran can be made many competent things, but I like clerics so much more than oracles that I can't bring myself to drop my artsy gay feat-wasting black cleric. Impossible Domain is insane, and with Frightful Aspect and a glaive he also deals respectable chip damage while safely standing behind the frontline. I'll definitely try Daeran in my next playthrough to see his interactions, but I already know that I'll regret it more than once.
Mechanically Sosiel definitely contributes more, but every time I stick him in my party I develop a strange urge to drown a cat in a well. I would rather build a cleric as a MC then take him along with me.

that's racist!
it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his temperament. I have met enough people with a similar attitude to him IRL and suffered in their presence to want to have to put up with the gay artsy stuff in a game.
 

LannTheStupid

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A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions.
From here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions#Staggered
He still can cast in the first round. So if he is not a frontline fighter he should be OK. And, to be honest, I do not see Daeran as a frontline alpha strike fighter; as a reach fighter from the second row - may be.
 

volklore

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So did shamans get the cut by owlcat implementations ? They are supposed to be able to cast their spirit spells spontaneously, which I assumed would be implemented like they did for ecclesitheurge i.e they would just instead be able to slot their spirit spells in non spirit slots. But right now, it seems shaman spirits function like domains for regular clerics so it completely sucks. I guess that's goodbye to my frost spirit shaman winter witch :(.
 

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They are supposed to be able to cast their spirit spells spontaneously, which I assumed would be implemented like they did for ecclesitheurge i.e they would just instead be able to slot their spirit spells in non spirit slots

No, they are supposed to cast Spirit/Wandering Spirit spells spontaneously from the separate list of the available "spirit" spells. But it is never more than 1 slot per day on each spell level.
 

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Act 4 and thinking about throwing in the towel. I can deal with 5 minute time to tranny, the bugs, the crusade management, the rotating bridges, but the combat is just too shit. 90% of it is RTS, I select all my green units, right-click on the red units and they explode. The other 10% is dealing with owlkeks balanced NPCs, 20 class1/5 class2/15 outsider, 150-200 stat pool, +20 natural AC from invisible undispellable unnamed buff, 50 all saving throws, 35 spell resistance, 10/good, 10/magic, 10/adamantium, immune to fire, electric, fear, poison, prone, stat damage, magic missile, magic missile, your mom.
Sadist cavedweller incubus got stuck mid-displacement, Blackwater immortals could be lured to a ladder and ranged down from a safe corner while they stare at you, Playful Darkness decided to start running into a wall instead of fighting but now I'm in hidden abode and there's like 10 of those 60-70AC raidbosses at custom difficulty - enemy adjustment none, it's just obnoxious.
Part of it is my own fault of course, instead of playing Chad Lich sorcerer and exploding everything with OP spells I'm running with a Virgin Azata CHA tank but it still feels bad. Run into combat, check what buffs I need, load game, pre-buff, pre-summon, and then the clown fiesta is on, will I run out of summons that get shredded by seven +50 attacks per round cheeseshredder each NPC has, or roll my Nat20s enough to get through their raidboss health. Even when I win it feels bad.
Now that I think about it, not sure why I expected something good out of slavjank. What am I doing with my life. I could be replaying Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 for the twelfth time instead.
 

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A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions.
From here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions#Staggered
He still can cast in the first round. So if he is not a frontline fighter he should be OK. And, to be honest, I do not see Daeran as a frontline alpha strike fighter; as a reach fighter from the second row - may be.
Freedom of Movement negates that staggered disadvantage. You can get permanent freedom of movement boots as soon as CH3 starts. Daeran can actually be quite a good melee fighter if you get him nature second mystery and a horse.
 

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I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.
You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?
 

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Act 4 and thinking about throwing in the towel. I can deal with 5 minute time to tranny, the bugs, the crusade management, the rotating bridges, but the combat is just too shit. 90% of it is RTS, I select all my green units, right-click on the red units and they explode. The other 10% is dealing with owlkeks balanced NPCs, 20 class1/5 class2/15 outsider, 150-200 stat pool, +20 natural AC from invisible undispellable unnamed buff, 50 all saving throws, 35 spell resistance, 10/good, 10/magic, 10/adamantium, immune to fire, electric, fear, poison, prone, stat damage, magic missile, magic missile, your mom.
Sadist cavedweller incubus got stuck mid-displacement, Blackwater immortals could be lured to a ladder and ranged down from a safe corner while they stare at you, Playful Darkness decided to start running into a wall instead of fighting but now I'm in hidden abode and there's like 10 of those 60-70AC raidbosses at custom difficulty - enemy adjustment none, it's just obnoxious.
Part of it is my own fault of course, instead of playing Chad Lich sorcerer and exploding everything with OP spells I'm running with a Virgin Azata CHA tank but it still feels bad. Run into combat, check what buffs I need, load game, pre-buff, pre-summon, and then the clown fiesta is on, will I run out of summons that get shredded by seven +50 attacks per round cheeseshredder each NPC has, or roll my Nat20s enough to get through their raidboss health. Even when I win it feels bad.
Now that I think about it, not sure why I expected something good out of slavjank. What am I doing with my life. I could be replaying Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 for the twelfth time instead.

Thanks for registering to share your completely legitimate and not at all fishy opinion, really-real-new-poster! Enjoy your time on the Codex before your inevitable self ejection. Whatever floats your boat!
 

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I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.
You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?
90% of what classes do have nothing to do with characters' backstories. A Sorcerer Ember would be basically indistinguishable from the one we got.
 
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Spoilers, obviously.

Areelu Vorlesh is a arcane scientist in Sarkoris, a nation that bans arcane magic. To hide from the inquisition she constructs a hidden laboratory buried below an abandoned shack in the wildlands. As she continues her research she also educates her son/daughter into the art of magic. She believes that the thing she cares about thr most is science and her art and finds the same pursuit of truth inculcated in her child.

However, one day her hiding spot is discovered by the inquisition who murder her son. Instead of fighting, she surrenders, because for the first time in her life she feels that her love of her son is greater to her than her passion for truth, making her helpless.

In the wizard prison called Threshold she continues her research in secret, attempting to resurrect her son, but that avenue she discovers is closed due to Pharasma, the godess of death having already sent her son's soul to Abyss. To rescue him she makes a pact with Deskari and Baphomet; she will open the worldwound in return for their patronage. At the same time she invents a process to create mythic creatures with nayhandrian crystals that are formed from the blood of dead demon lords. Her secret plan is to find her son's soul in the abyss and remake it into the player character. In the process she comes in contact with Nocticula from whom she learns the power of weapons called midnight bolts and discovers that she can create Nayhandrian crystals from fresh blood of demon lords who are actually the incarnation of their abyssal realm. These fresh crystals are particularly potent and can endow the bearer with divinity. She turns her own soul into that of a half demon using nayhandrian crystals, becoming immortal, but as you know, her goal is to escape death completely so she can never be separatedfrom her son. To that end she binds her soul to the worldwound created by her by fusing abyss and material plane through a process that starts to slowly kill her. Then she finds and binds her son's soul there as well, expanding the worldwound. This creates the PC who has her son's soul. Then she guides the PC to complete her plan of obtaining fresh crystals with least possible interference which involves intentionally making him encounter his past life and awaken his memories.

Nocticula is tricked by her into helping her close the worldwound but she does not realize that Areelu plans to use her Midnight bolts to create fresh crystals to ascend to divinity.

Finally, the PC can then figure what is really going on by investigating and putting together a lot of scattered clues, which to the game's credit are never dumped as an exposition.

If you recover the past and correctly guess how to use Areelu's research then you can ascend to Godhood either alone or with your party and areelu, fulfilling Areelu's promise to defeat death itself.
Thank you anon! You are a good anon! I do love mommykino story anon! I do! You are a good anon!
 

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