Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Haplo]

Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

Well, actually, if I'm not mistaken, in Tabletop sorcerers can switch their spells a little during level ups. Not really good example.

 

[Haplo]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

His real utility comes from his domains. He gets lotsa Luck and Good Touches, both very useful. Luck in particular, the reroll with a 15-20 crit weapon just makes the crit rate skyrocket (can only imagine what happens if you combine it with Trickster critical feats - something like 70% crit rate?). And with Domain Zealot he can use them as swift action.

Only tough choice is which Impossible Domain to pick. Nature for a mount - he could use the protection and his mobility in armor kinda sucks or Community for even more broken, but less frequent clicky.
Or can you choose more then one?

 

[Daidre]

Or can you choose more then one?

You can get several Impossible Domains.

 

[NJClaw]

Yeah, from the distance OF THE BENCH IN THE CAMP WHERE I LEAVE HIM TO BRING WITH ME MY BRO SOSIEL

However, Marching Terror on Sosiel should be sweet. Haven't hired him yet (I'm still in process of the 2nd try of Kenabres).

His real utility comes from his domains. He gets lotsa Luck and Good Touches, both very useful. Luck in particular, the reroll with a 15-20 crit weapon just makes the crit rate skyrocket (can only imagine what happens if you combine it with Trickster critical feats - something like 70% crit rate?). And with Domain Zealot he can use them as swift action.

Only tough choice is which Impossible Domain to pick. Nature for a mount - he could use the protection and his mobility in armor kinda sucks or Community for even more broken, but less frequent clicky.
Or can you choose more then one?

I love how (voluntarily or involuntarily, I don't care) Owlcat didn't stick to the "only one reroll per roll" rule. Right now, with Sosiel's Bit of Luck, Ember's Fortune, and the Brilliant Inspiration spell, my MC is rolling 5 dice and picking the best one for every attack. You have to try really hard not to crit with 5 dice, even without a high-crit weapon.

I don't know if it's a bug, but right now you can pick Impossible Domain multiple times. I avoided the Animal domain because with an animal companion I'd like to also get Mythic Companion and you don't get nearly enough mythic abilities to do that. But being able to pick Nobility AND Community is insane. I guess that with an Erastil Cleric you might manage to squeeze in Mythic Companion, but you'd have to delay Mythic Spell Penetration.

 

[Grunker]

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?

90% of what classes do have nothing to do with characters' backstories. A Sorcerer Ember would be basically indistinguishable from the one we got.

?? Ember's entire backstory is that she is ?brain damaged? into being incapable of negative feelings towards anyone and this got her blessed by one of the gods for being a pure soul. If you respec her as a sorc she won't even have her crow, which would also make her delusional as she'll keep interacting with it.

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?

Because I like the dialogue, quests and stuff like that (or at least, would like it to be part of the game)? Who cares if Valerie is some weird monk build instead of a paladin in terms of the game mechanics, the dialogue doesn't change. I sure as shit don't give a fuck

I mean her backstory is that she is a disgraced paladin which doesn't really make sense for monk. I prefer it when the gameplay and the story can agree on basic facts, but if you don't mind such inconsistencies then indeed, as a wise codexer said: "There is only you and your computer, and neither cares"

Having the character sheet and dialogue agree on the three or four times it matters is a minor concern. Being all but blocked from the game’s most enjoyable aspect - character customization - with 10/11 characters or however many is a major concern.

 

[Shadenuat]

?? Ember's entire backstory is

Thank you v much for not using spoiler tags btw. You are a nice person. I like you!

 

[Delterius]

Respec makes your decisions worthless. For example, a sorcerer can technically respec and change his spells, getting rid of his class disadvantage. You can respec to have a char optimized to a challenged encounter, some decisions between power early or power later don't matter, it trivializes feat picking. Respec = Decline.

Well, actually, if I'm not mistaken, in Tabletop sorcerers can switch their spells a little during level ups. Not really good example.

Retraining is also a thing in PnP.

 

[Shadenuat]

Also, NOOO muh monk dipos! i i mean, muh character customisation!

anyway since autumn and back pain, and codex, broke my will anyway, break me to the end: ppl who finished gaem, is there a honest good, not boring cynical deconstruction ending for Ember, and Regill?

 

[Thonius]

Yeah, respec is caput because when you respec arcane caster say goodbye to your learned spells. Even if you respec into same class to change some feats, it's better to use toybox to swap them.
Got rid of trample that way, while in theory, it's okay feat reality was a pain in the ass since the icon on the toolbar appeared only when you're mounted, and since game likes to dismount you everytime it gets ( and i got shitty ac unmounted) icon always vanished from toolbar and ability menu. Get mounted drag ability to toolbar, buff. Annoying. Plus it's worse than the charge.
So anyhow the only real middle finger by the devs as far as I can tell was Delamere, I wanted to use her as a hunter or whathaveyou but could not respec her with official respec below LVL 13. (she is supposed to be priest of sorts, but she got 0 spells and armor that gives her a bonus FOR SPELL FROM DRUID LIST WTF OWLCATS, and not enough WIS), and with mode, I caught a bug after 4 lvl when the game prompts me to assign an ability bonus. Kinda cringe man.

Also, Ember is nice and her quest is nice too if a bit hard to believe. Wholesome.

 

[Yosharian]

Or can you choose more then one?

You can get several Impossible Domains.

You can get lots, at least three, maybe as many as you like

 

[ga♥]

When you respec a non-spontanous arcane caster in kingmaker you get the spells as scrolls so you could relearn those IIRC. I think it will be the same in wrath, maybe still not implemented or bugged right now.

 

[ArchAngel]

Anyone playing the Beta build (and I mean the one called Beta, not release)? When it is coming out of Beta into "Beta" ?

 

[Delterius]

why do people get off their rocker when you point out their genius build is just exploiting a bug

 

[volklore]

Like what bug ?
Difficult to know what's a bug and what's owlcat implementation sometimes, I guess. I think it would be hard to consider crane wing working with shields a bug nowadays for example when it's been this way since kingmaker release, reported a million times and owlcat decided not to fix.

 

[Daidre]

I still have no idea whether stacking Flurry + Rapid Shot on Sohei with a bow is bug, and can easily argue it both ways when comparing Sohei and Zen Archer.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Having the character sheet and dialogue agree on the three or four times it matters is a minor concern. Being all but blocked from the game’s most enjoyable aspect - character customization - with 10/11 characters or however many is a major concern.

Speak for yourself. As I am not a writer, I very much like to read the story and personal development of a companion. A set of stats, feats and spells seems boring to me, because I cannot build the story from numbers. Side note: may be table toppers are closet graphomaniacs?

However, if you prefer such sets of stats then there is Solasta.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

However, if you prefer such sets of stats then there is Solasta.

Pfft. Amateurs.

 

[Delterius]

Like what bug ?

flavor of the week is the expanded arsenal exploit

 

[Haplo]

Like what bug ?

flavor of the week is the expanded arsenal exploit

Which is quite clearly a bug - because if you end up taking (some) of these focus feats for the school you expand to, you end up massively lowering your DC for that school - as now you're not getting the (wrongly) multiplied bonus.

 

[Yosharian]

Anyone playing the Beta build (and I mean the one called Beta, not release)? When it is coming out of Beta into "Beta" ?

Another week maybe

Edit: welp nvm they just released it

 

[Daidre]

Damn, I had Beta installed, today I have rolled it back (11 gb download).
Several minutes ago new 15 gb update have arrived.
I wonder if steam version check got bugged or Owlcat really rolled out 1.1 patch live 3 hours after I've rolled back beta...

 

[Grunker]

Having the character sheet and dialogue agree on the three or four times it matters is a minor concern. Being all but blocked from the game’s most enjoyable aspect - character customization - with 10/11 characters or however many is a major concern.

Speak for yourself. As I am not a writer, I very much like to read the story and personal development of a companion. A set of stats, feats and spells seems boring to me, because I cannot build the story from numbers. Side note: may be table toppers are closet graphomaniacs?

However, if you prefer such sets of stats then there is Solasta.

I know you storyfags are weird but being prevented from reading a dialogue window after a respec seems like an oddly personal bug

 

[volklore]

Expanded arsenal needs both an implementation and description revamp. As it stands it kinda works as worded in the description, kinda. All in all I don't think expanded arsenal is that aggravating right now, because stacking everything into one school isn't even a good plan since the main issues for casters aren't saves but immunities. You'd still want to pick some metamagic feats that are going to be better tempo and flexibilitty than a few points of DC here and there. You also need spell penetration feats... Not so much space left for stacking spell foci. Compared to the monstrous amount of DC boosting items and buffs you get in act4, it is very minimal. By the time you get to M6 for a second mythic spell focus, non-merged casters are already walking gods and you're better off ensuring you go first with improved initiative mythic instead.

That said it should be fixed because it's annoying that even when you try to avoid it, you still run into it if you want to be a bit diversified school wise.

 

[Delterius]

Anyone playing the Beta build (and I mean the one called Beta, not release)? When it is coming out of Beta into "Beta" ?

Another week maybe

its out lmao

 

[Sunri]

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