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[Grunker]

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?

Because I like the dialogue, quests and stuff like that (or at least, would like it to be part of the game)? Who cares if Valerie is some weird monk build instead of a paladin in terms of the game mechanics, the dialogue doesn't change. I sure as shit don't give a fuck

 

[Jaedar]

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?

90% of what classes do have nothing to do with characters' backstories. A Sorcerer Ember would be basically indistinguishable from the one we got.

?? Ember's entire backstory is that she is ?brain damaged? into being incapable of negative feelings towards anyone and this got her blessed by one of the gods for being a pure soul. If you respec her as a sorc she won't even have her crow, which would also make her delusional as she'll keep interacting with it.

I love this argument. You can multi a fragile caster companion to a raging testosterone-monster if you want to, but it's mah immersion if you respec.

You shouldn't turn ember into a testosterone monster either.

Obviously if you don't give a shit then you don't give a shit, but at that point, why not just roll a full party of mercs?

Because I like the dialogue, quests and stuff like that (or at least, would like it to be part of the game)? Who cares if Valerie is some weird monk build instead of a paladin in terms of the game mechanics, the dialogue doesn't change. I sure as shit don't give a fuck

I mean her backstory is that she is a disgraced paladin which doesn't really make sense for monk. I prefer it when the gameplay and the story can agree on basic facts, but if you don't mind such inconsistencies then indeed, as a wise codexer said: "There is only you and your computer, and neither cares"

 

[Shaki]

Act 4 and thinking about throwing in the towel. I can deal with 5 minute time to tranny, the bugs, the crusade management, the rotating bridges, but the combat is just too shit. 90% of it is RTS, I select all my green units, right-click on the red units and they explode. The other 10% is dealing with owlkeks balanced NPCs, 20 class1/5 class2/15 outsider, 150-200 stat pool, +20 natural AC from invisible undispellable unnamed buff, 50 all saving throws, 35 spell resistance, 10/good, 10/magic, 10/adamantium, immune to fire, electric, fear, poison, prone, stat damage, magic missile, magic missile, your mom.
Sadist cavedweller incubus got stuck mid-displacement, Blackwater immortals could be lured to a ladder and ranged down from a safe corner while they stare at you, Playful Darkness decided to start running into a wall instead of fighting but now I'm in hidden abode and there's like 10 of those 60-70AC raidbosses at custom difficulty - enemy adjustment none, it's just obnoxious.
Part of it is my own fault of course, instead of playing Chad Lich sorcerer and exploding everything with OP spells I'm running with a Virgin Azata CHA tank but it still feels bad. Run into combat, check what buffs I need, load game, pre-buff, pre-summon, and then the clown fiesta is on, will I run out of summons that get shredded by seven +50 attacks per round cheeseshredder each NPC has, or roll my Nat20s enough to get through their raidboss health. Even when I win it feels bad.
Now that I think about it, not sure why I expected something good out of slavjank. What am I doing with my life. I could be replaying Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 for the twelfth time instead.

Cool, Rusty, but why won't you post it from your main account?

 

[Fedora Master]

So, would Nicolas of the Cage be more the "demonic fury" kind of guy...

or more a goody Paladin type...

or is he even a TRICKSTER?

Spoiler

 

[volklore]

I mean her backstory is that she is a disgraced paladin which doesn't really make sense for monk. I prefer it when the gameplay and the story can agree on basic facts, but if you don't mind such inconsistencies then indeed, as a wise codexer said: "There is only you and your computer, and neither cares"

Actually Valerie is a completely blank slate, she just fell off the shelyn train and became a mercenary. She could be anything really, there isn't really any restriction. One of the more flexible companion backstory wise. Lann is the same, there is nothing in his backstories that says he has to be a zen archer. Compared that to seelah for whom the whole backstory is about how she became a paladin coming from the street and struggles with being lawful and serious. Some classes like arue's espionnage expert are just nods to the fact she works for the other side now but not really related to was she used to do before.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Actually Valerie is a completely blank slate, she just fell off the shelyn train and became a mercenary. She could be anything really.

I know that it is open for interpretation, but one phrase from Valerie makes me hesitant to make her a "pajama tank". When she explains why it was easy for her to leave the Aldori she says that she does not get their fighting style. She used to block enemy blows with her shield while Aldori school is about weaving and dodging. So for Valerie to learn crane style Wushu would have required some serious persuasion from the Baron. And there were no crane style horses in Kingmaker.

Of course, when the Commander of the crusade can teach a horse how to use crane style - then Valerie would not be a problem.

 

[Ghulgothas]

So, would Nicolas of the Cage be more the "demonic fury" kind of guy...

or more a goody Paladin type...

or is he even a TRICKSTER?

Spoiler

I think he's more of a... swarm kind of guy.

 

[Fedora Master]

I chose Trickster because BEER ELEMENTAL.

 

[Delterius]

I chose Trickster

correct

 

[volklore]

Seems like completely normal spell is fixed on the beta patch. They also properly deactivated respec on hard and unfair it seems. Idk how well that will play out if a lot of things are still broken.

Agonizing over build choices right now regarding mythic path. Trickster is interesting but as all of the other mythic path, designing a build with M4 and maybe M5 in mind max is frustrating. Especially when Perception 2 is a bit stronger for almost every build than anything else. And you get the second rank 2 trick at M6 only so it's completely whatever. And again some fun mythic tricks have terrible DC formulas (like that persuasion 2 which I admit would be hard to balance, so instead they made it useless).

 

[FreeKaner]

Actually Valerie is a completely blank slate, she just fell off the shelyn train and became a mercenary. She could be anything really.

I know that it is open for interpretation, but one phrase from Valerie makes me hesitant to make her a "pajama tank". When she explains why it was easy for her to leave the Aldori she says that she does not get their fighting style. She used to block enemy blows with her shield while Aldori school is about weaving and dodging. So for Valerie to learn crane style Wushu would have required some serious persuasion from the Baron. And there were no crane style horses in Kingmaker.

Of course, when the Commander of the crusade can teach a horse how to use crane style - then Valerie would not be a problem.

In reality you shouldn't even be able to use crane wing with both hands full. However owlcats not only permit pajama tanking, but they are actually deliberately by design making it be much better than it should be.

 

[LannTheStupid]

They also properly deactivated respec on hard and unfair it seems.

It is deactivated on Hard, just weirdly. It allows to do everything when recpeccing someone, and then the last button - "Complete" or something - is disabled. And the only way out is to close the whole interface.

I would have left it as it is. Unfair should NOT be fair, after all.

 

[volklore]

Actually Valerie is a completely blank slate, she just fell off the shelyn train and became a mercenary. She could be anything really.

I know that it is open for interpretation, but one phrase from Valerie makes me hesitant to make her a "pajama tank". When she explains why it was easy for her to leave the Aldori she says that she does not get their fighting style. She used to block enemy blows with her shield while Aldori school is about weaving and dodging. So for Valerie to learn crane style Wushu would have required some serious persuasion from the Baron. And there were no crane style horses in Kingmaker.

Of course, when the Commander of the crusade can teach a horse how to use crane style - then Valerie would not be a problem.

In reality you shouldn't even be able to use crane wing with both hands full. However owlcats not only permit pajama tanking, but they are actually deliberately by design making it be much better than it should be.

You can use crane style with a shield, it's not limited to both hands free. Crane wing should be though, but it doesn't actually support pajama tanks. Monk dipped Pajama tanks did not need crane wing in kingmaker and they do not need it in wrath either (Monk AC bonus is properly disabled when using a shield). If anything, the crane wing bug/implementation favors armored characters more because they need it more so removing it, would support unarmored even more.

 

[perfectslumbers]

I mean her backstory is that she is a disgraced paladin which doesn't really make sense for monk. I prefer it when the gameplay and the story can agree on basic facts, but if you don't mind such inconsistencies then indeed, as a wise codexer said: "There is only you and your computer, and neither cares"

Actually Valerie is a completely blank slate, she just fell off the shelyn train and became a mercenary. She could be anything really, there isn't really any restriction. One of the more flexible companion backstory wise. Lann is the same, there is nothing in his backstories that says he has to be a zen archer. Compared that to seelah for whom the whole backstory is about how she became a paladin coming from the street and struggles with being lawful and serious. Some classes like arue's espionnage expert are just nods to the fact she works for the other side now but not really related to was she used to do before.

Lann is a zen archer because if you take Wenduag and come back to Neatholm he's teaching the corrupted mongrels to control themselves through meditation.

Wenduag romance off to a good start:

 

[The_Mask]

Hell's Advance

Spoiler

 

[kain30]

I like the whole OST of the game. Feels like the composer is the same as the HOMM games

 

[Fedora Master]

Spoiler

What! Nicolas of the Cage anon birth date is Day 7 Month I anon! It is! What!

You are right, I respecced Sir Nicolas a bit. Thanks.

 

[havox]

Also... git gud.

Took about 30 tries to... git gud. Stars finally aligned, my team rolled like boss, enemies rolled like chumps, Daerans mass heal was just enough to survive taking down the trash protecting boss. Finally it was my tank and Lann against him. Had to win a 50/50 through his permanent blur, hit a nat20, and for Lann also win arrow deflect roll, and then it's allowed to hit him for 50. Just enough to outdamage his 10 regen by a tiny shred. Had to watch my tank, Lann and 5 summoned trees swing and miss at the boss for 1 hour and 7 minutes before he dropped.
I think i've figured out why I'm not having fun. Not enough vodka for that genuine slavjank experience. I'll try it tomorrow, thanks for reading my blogpost.

 

[Maculo]

Honestly, I didn’t get far into my unfair playthrough. At first, the difficulty was nice, but there are so many fights. I restarted a normal, but now it feels too easy.

 

[perfectslumbers]

Honestly, I didn’t get far into my Unfair playthrough. At first, the difficulty was nice, but there are so many fights.

Unfair gets easier the longer you go, act 5 on unfair is easy whereas act 1 on unfair is an insane reload fest. They really should start doing dynamic scaling instead of flat bonuses since it makes lategame easy and earlygame stupid on higher difficulties.

 

[Maculo]

Honestly, I didn’t get far into my Unfair playthrough. At first, the difficulty was nice, but there are so many fights.

Unfair gets easier the longer you go, act 5 on unfair is easy whereas act 1 on unfair is an insane reload fest. They really should start doing dynamic scaling instead of flat bonuses since it makes lategame easy and earlygame stupid on higher difficulties.

I just wasn’t enjoying it though. I dialed it back down.

 

[perfectslumbers]

Honestly, I didn’t get far into my Unfair playthrough. At first, the difficulty was nice, but there are so many fights.

Unfair gets easier the longer you go, act 5 on unfair is easy whereas act 1 on unfair is an insane reload fest. They really should start doing dynamic scaling instead of flat bonuses since it makes lategame easy and earlygame stupid on higher difficulties.

I just wasn’t enjoying it though. I dialed it back down.

I did not mean to dispute that, I'm just saying unfair is poorly balanced and has an unenjoyable difficulty curve. I don't enjoy unfair either.

 

[mediocrepoet]

So, would Nicolas of the Cage be more the "demonic fury" kind of guy...

or more a goody Paladin type...

or is he even a TRICKSTER?

Spoiler

I think he's more of a... swarm kind of guy.

There really is a Cage for every occasion.

 

[Raghar]

I just had a "don't rape me with that lockpick" screaming door moment. Then Camelia raped the door, on fist try.

Actually that was great writing. Too bad most of the story isn't at that high level.

 

[Haplo]

That's... really desperate.
I really wanted to like Ember, I really did. But her spell selection... ugh... apart from farting and sending some shinnies at the enemies, there's almost nothing there...

So I benched her. Nenio does the arcane duty, while Cam gives enemies the Evil Eye. At least she can offtank and be a mild DD/backline protector too.

Just respec companions like I'm planning to do once I play this thing. That has the primary benefit of you getting to toy around with 6 crafty builds instead of just 1

respecting can fuck up your game

Everything can currently. Which is why I won't be playing this until June at the earliest.

You exaggerate it's not that bad

Yeah, its not like there are game breaking bugs.

Oh wait, actually I couldn't get past the Drezen Citadel broken gate. Good thing Nenio had Dimension Door, however, likely due to space constraints, it proved impossible to port the whole party inside, it was only possible to port a single character. So brave Nenio, with all her 12 Spell Pen or so and basically none directly offensive spells charged one of the mightiest balrogs. Good thing we brought Galfrey along, she proved useful for once. I shudder to think how this would end if she wasn't there...