Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Humbaba]

Bruh fuck this Endgame quest, like I'm gonna sit here and grind out recruiting units especially as Lich when recruitment growth is in my ass and mercenaries cost a fortune. Not getting the necessary events either. Doesn't help that morale is bugged to hell as well. Off to Threshold then. Will post my impressions, which all of you are undoubtedly dying to hear when I'm done.

 

[Goldschmidt]

Not going to read 600 pages. Now that the legion of codex beta testers have finally played the game, answer me this; "How's the game, folks?"

"Is it a quality product from engineering standpoint OR is it imbalanced buggy popamole?"

 

[Humbaba]

Not going to read 600 pages. Now that the legion of codex beta testers have finally played the game, answer me this; "How's the game, folks?"

"Is it a quality product from engineering standpoint OR is it imbalanced buggy popamole?"

Still feels unpolished tbh. Completely playable though. Will hold off on final judgement until I've finished my first playthrough. Unless the ending sucks shit, I'll do at least 3 more. Maybe by that time the game will be relatively bug free.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Not going to read 600 pages. Now that the legion of codex beta testers have finally played the game, answer me this; "How's the game, folks?"

"Is it a quality product from engineering standpoint OR is it imbalanced buggy popamole?"

It's worse than the first half of Kingmaker. It's better than the second half of Kingmaker.
But I still have to finish it, so maybe real shit is still ahead of me.

 

[Jaedar]

Not going to read 600 pages. Now that the legion of codex beta testers have finally played the game, answer me this; "How's the game, folks?"

"Is it a quality product from engineering standpoint OR is it imbalanced buggy popamole?"

It's good, but they are still actively patching it, and there are a decent amount of bugs. If you don't mind waiting, I'd say buy it in another few months. It will probably never be a quality engineering product(TM), but few truly good RPGs are.

I don't really think it will ever be significantly less buggy than it is now, but they might implement some more QoL stuff if you're lucky.

 

[Ghulgothas]

Not going to read 600 pages. Now that the legion of codex beta testers have finally played the game, answer me this; "How's the game, folks?"

"Is it a quality product from engineering standpoint OR is it imbalanced buggy popamole?"

It's feature complete and suffers from the oversights and instability inherent to their over-ambition. Come back when the full gamut of DLC has dropped and I guarantee that you will have a more stable, cohesive and ultimately enjoyable experience than those of us who were willing to dig into this game's earlier builds.

 

[Parabalus]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

 

[Sunri]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

Simple solution, don't rest, there are demons to smite.

 

[Parabalus]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

Simple solution, don't rest, there are demons to smite.

You have to rest because of the exhaustion system. The best option is resting before entering the area after getting exhausted travelling.

 

[Whisper]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

Simple solution, don't rest, there are demons to smite.

You have to rest because of the exhaustion system. The best option is resting before entering the area after getting exhausted travelling.

You can remove exhausted status without resting.

 

[Parabalus]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

Simple solution, don't rest, there are demons to smite.

You have to rest because of the exhaustion system. The best option is resting before entering the area after getting exhausted travelling.

You can remove exhausted status without resting.

Removing it doesn't reset the timer, at least try it beforehand.

 

[Whisper]

wait someone thought Kingmaker testing was time consuming wtf

The unskippable dialogue is horrible, as are the multiple black screens, and the game going through the results one by one, again unskippably.

you gotta be a heavy rester to have ever noticed that shit

It's annoying from the first time you rest. Resting in an open area is the worst, because of the slow walking speeds to towards each PCs camp site, dungeons are slightly more tolerable since the mats are closer together and the map is best, but still bad.

Simple solution, don't rest, there are demons to smite.

You have to rest because of the exhaustion system. The best option is resting before entering the area after getting exhausted travelling.

You can remove exhausted status without resting.

Removing it doesn't reset the timer, at least try it beforehand.

What timer? If you cast it when you enter dungeon or quest area there is no timer.

 

[Jaedar]

Removing it doesn't reset the timer, at least try it beforehand.

Correct, but it usually gives you enough leeway to beat one dungeon. Although you can get fucked if there's an athletics check or something that takes 5 mins to resolve, but those aren't that common.

 

[Grunker]

On a sidenote aren't you a pillars of eternity fanboy? Or at least someone who loved pillars a lot...? So, I take you liked more dungeons in POE1/2 than Kingmaker?

Fanboy seems a harsh word considering how much I bashed the story, setting, characters and C&C of Pillars. But yes, I really, really liked the gameplay and the itemization in the final version of the game.

Most of its dungeons have the exact same problem as Kingmaker's though; they're almost nothing but vehicles for rooms with fights in them. Great dungeon design seems a lost art. Endless Dungeons of Od Nua is one of the biggest jokes in dungeon history, it's so worthless.

 

[Grunker]

superior forgotten realms lore

No

you're comparing turd from different species

Durlag's Tower is a good dungeon. Simple as.

So is the troll dungeon in kingmaker, now what?

The troll dungeon is a dozen rooms with some fights and a few extremely light puzzles. The entire dungeon is soundly beaten by just the Four Warders-level; it has more interesting context, fights and interactions than any dungeon in Kingmaker.

That shit youtube channel 'Extra Credits' has an episode solely on Durlag's Dungeon, and while the narrator is an insufferable twat, the video does highlight a lot of what the dungeon did that modern dungeons just don't bother with, Kingmaker's included.

 

[LannTheStupid]

"How's the game, folks?"

Don't play it, it's bad.

 

[Fedora Master]

Oh there's a leak about a secret boss you can find, if only Desiderius was here to tell us how to cheese it:

Spoiler

 

[Whisper]

Removing it doesn't reset the timer, at least try it beforehand.

Correct, but it usually gives you enough leeway to beat one dungeon. Although you can get fucked if there's an athletics check or something that takes 5 mins to resolve, but those aren't that common.

You can remove it again.
And yes, it is enough to beat dungeon/clear area.

 

[Efe]

what do you use to remove? 6 lesser restorations for exhaustion and 6 more for fatigue?

 

[Cyberarmy]

Paladins mercy can be used to remove fatigue.

 

[ArchAngel]

superior forgotten realms lore

No

you're comparing turd from different species

Durlag's Tower is a good dungeon. Simple as.

So is the troll dungeon in kingmaker, now what?

The troll dungeon is a dozen rooms with some fights and a few extremely light puzzles. The entire dungeon is soundly beaten by just the Four Warders-level; it has more interesting context, fights and interactions than any dungeon in Kingmaker.

That shit youtube channel 'Extra Credits' has an episode solely on Durlag's Dungeon, and while the narrator is an insufferable twat, the video does highlight a lot of what the dungeon did that modern dungeons just don't bother with, Kingmaker's included.

I guess we have different expectations. Best dungeon in a long time was Lich one in Kingmaker because you got stuck inside until you finished it and in addition to all the trash fights it had some cool fights as well (some optional like with Demons). Puzzles are not fun in a cRPG for most players.
At least devs here were smart enough to put Enigma as a optional dungeon even if they fucked it up and connected it with a companion's quest.

 

[Parabalus]

Removing it doesn't reset the timer, at least try it beforehand.

Correct, but it usually gives you enough leeway to beat one dungeon. Although you can get fucked if there's an athletics check or something that takes 5 mins to resolve, but those aren't that common.

You can remove it again.
And yes, it is enough to beat dungeon/clear area.

It's useful to condense 3-4 rests into one, especially since fatigue is staggered between PCs due to different stats.

Or are you playing through entire chapters without rests?

The best resting spot is your room, straight skip to black with no role assignment or other bullshit.

 

[Jaedar]

Puzzles are not fun in a cRPG for most players.

Some light puzzles have been a constant staple of cRPGs since the dawn of time. Wrath has some really obtuse ones though, with terrible interface and feedback, so I admittedly looked up a lot of solutions online.

 

[Daidre]

At least I have got an achievement and now I can rest spam as much as I want to)

Spoiler

Well, like many other things it is a bit bugged and I've got it in the mid of Chapter 5 after getting all crusade stats to 8. No need to complete the game on the same save.

Now I intend to do Unfair run with Angel-Oracle and from what I've already tested Heavenly Host ability to share Sword of Heaven on the party is so hellishly bugged that it breaks Sword of Heaven completely (buff only applied to the last party member in a group), making it unusable

Am I delirious or most of the Angel holy damage spells not only NOT halved on failed save but also ignore SR and do not require range touch? So I don't need Spell Penetration feats or Precise Shot or Casting Stat all that high? From what it looks like right now, you could build for melee gish in first chapters and easily switch to Bolt of Justice spam later with only metamagic feats required to get most out of them.

 

[Humbaba]

Ok so the finale got off to a bad start. For one, I was expecting a big assault like Drezen but it is only your party and like 5 allies in total who contribute nothing. This whole gauntlet is only hard because you cannot rest in between and as a lich with undead companions that doubly sucks and means you have to do a no death run here. I fortunately only lost Kestoglyr when I made it to that walking cheat code Khorramzade. For the first and only time ever in this game or any other I had to turn down the difficulty to get past his ascendant elemental 50d6 chain lightning bullshit to which there is literally no counterplay. Definitely needs a rework if you ask me.