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[Nikanuur]

Act IV reminiscence.

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I wanted to guide my party through the Abyss very considerately, being an Azata and all, constantly being reminded by my companions how carefull I must be. I haven't even started to understand how to plan the Nocticula audience the best way, when I was forced to free my dragon from the Slave Trader. One thing led to another, I was suddenly forced to massacre one third of Alushynirra O.o What a fight, my party already weary and almost out of spells, suddenly facing 5 Thanademons, 6 semi-bosses, and countless other mid-high demons and demon guards. Good thing I've bought all the mass heal scrolls just a moment before. And even then, I've finished the fight in a last-man-standing fashion. Phew, what a thrill. I don't know what is going to happen in other parts of the town now.

This is an unfathomably good piece of constructing on the Owlcat side. There are apparently many ways how to get through to Nocticula. For a playthrough as a chaotic-good character, this unforeseen mayhem resulting in a (wink wink) fewer-demons-scenario is a gamegasm.

Edit: Then again, "considerate" and an Azata... erm... okay :D

 

[ArchAngel]

Inconsequential Debates. Jubilost gets a curse that forces him to say "tentacles" every ten words.

Riiiight. The devs were really proud of that one then.

It was the best companion quest in Kingmaker. Although the best part was a nod to BG1 with two trickster brothers that got turned into talking chickens.

 

[gurugeorge]

Inconsequential Debates. Jubilost gets a curse that forces him to say "tentacles" every ten words.

Riiiight. The devs were really proud of that one then.

It was a funny quest, whimsically humorous, but with that sinister edge you always have when dealing with the Fey -and quite well-written.

 

[Humbaba]

Is there any in-lore reason why Ember is the size of a grown woman or is it just a case of the devs not bothering giving her a slightly shorter model?

 

[Daidre]

Is there any in-lore reason why Ember is the size of a grown woman or is it just a case of the devs not bothering giving her a slightly shorter model?

Ember is 109. She was born the same year when Worldwound was opened.
Elves are considered adults around 110.

Technically, there is no reason for her to be noticeably shorter than a full-grown adult. And elves are almost head taller than a humans in Pathfinder.

 

[Humbaba]

UH OH REACTIVITY ALARM

When you're about to ambush the dragon in Greybor's quest as a Gorum enjoyer you get the option to go "THIS ONE'S FOR YOU GORUM!", which results in you getting a buff called Gorum's Blessing that enlarges you, gives you loads of temporary HP and I think gives you perma rage and a bunch of other stuff, the buff itself has no description of what it does. Makes the fight trivial at any rate.

Also when you get the fang of malice and talk to Ciar, you get an additional religion check to tell him that there's no way you're destroying Gorum's relic.

Ember is 109. She was born the same year when Worldwound was opened.
Elves are considered adults around 110.

Technically, there is no reason for her to be noticeably shorter than a full-grown adult. And elves are almost head taller than a humans in Pathfinder.

I see. But if she's only one year short of being an adult then why does she act like child still? She's not retarded is she??

 

[Daidre]

I see. But if she's only one year short of being an adult then why does she act like child still? She's not retarded is she??

Not retarded (as a condition one born with) but she totally nuts after being burned at the stake.
Game even tell this directly with Staunton comment:

Staunton chuckles sadly. There is a shadow of tenderness in his stern voice. "Heh, girl... I should have followed your example dozens of years ago and found shelter in blissful madness. Maybe a feeble-minded beggar with no name and no memory would've been happier than the condemned traitor Staunton Vhane. But now it's too late for that too."

So yeah, Ember not really a child per se, but more like a late teen with a crippling mental illness.

 

[Whisper]

I see. But if she's only one year short of being an adult then why does she act like child still? She's not retarded is she??

Not retarded (as a condition one born with) but she totally nuts after being burned at the stake.
Game even tell this directly with Staunton comment:

Staunton chuckles sadly. There is a shadow of tenderness in his stern voice. "Heh, girl... I should have followed your example dozens of years ago and found shelter in blissful madness. Maybe a feeble-minded beggar with no name and no memory would've been happier than the condemned traitor Staunton Vhane. But now it's too late for that too."

So yeah, Ember not really a child per se, but more like a late teen with a crippling mental illness.

Things she say and do are more sensible, deep, logical than things 99% grown-ups and "normal" people say and do in their lives.
She is character with deepest philosophy, total enlightment out there.

p.s.
Because you do not understand Ember, maybe it is you who have problems. But not her, this is for sure. Ember is symbol of being sane and human being.

 

[Whisper]

I see. But if she's only one year short of being an adult then why does she act like child still? She's not retarded is she??

What exactly you found retarded?
Converting demons to good side, which was never done before and was thought to be impossible?*
Or making cultists join your side too? Someone even main character cant do, he can kill cultists, but not make them allies and fight for him.

*Yes, Aru was convered by Desna, but Desna is powerful goddess.

 

[LannTheStupid]

She is character with deepest philosophy, total enlightment out there.

True enlightenment is indistinguishable from madness. IRL as well.

Ember is like a Trickster, but you cannot get into her head to see the reasoning behind her efficient insanity.

 

[Sunri]

Ember romance when?

 

[Nikanuur]

I haven't noticed the game mentioning that Ember should be so profoundly forgiving, goodness-preaching and all as a result of the trauma. Is it mentioned? Wasn't she like this all the time actually? I can imagine, how this would stress the shit out of an ordinary medieval soldier to the point of wanting her burning.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Ember romance when?

A Cease and Desist order from 'muricans if Ember romance.

 

[Humbaba]

I see. But if she's only one year short of being an adult then why does she act like child still? She's not retarded is she??

Not retarded (as a condition one born with) but she totally nuts after being burned at the stake.
Game even tell this directly with Staunton comment:

Staunton chuckles sadly. There is a shadow of tenderness in his stern voice. "Heh, girl... I should have followed your example dozens of years ago and found shelter in blissful madness. Maybe a feeble-minded beggar with no name and no memory would've been happier than the condemned traitor Staunton Vhane. But now it's too late for that too."

So yeah, Ember not really a child per se, but more like a late teen with a crippling mental illness.

No, people call her nuts because of her uncomprisingly forgiving attitude, which extends to literal demons. There's no reference of her being actually insane or being normal prior to her burning. I wouldn't even know of a mental illness that causes you to be nice.

What exactly you found retarded?
Converting demons to good side, which was never done before and was thought to be impossible?*
Or making cultists join your side too? Someone even main character cant do, he can kill cultists, but not make them allies and fight for him.

*Yes, Aru was convered by Desna, but Desna is powerful goddess.

You're reading too much into things. I was just wondering about her childlike behaviour when she is supposed to be a young adult age wise.

True enlightenment is indistinguishable from madness. IRL as well.

True, despite being an in-universe atheist she is abrahamic af.

Ember romance when?

A Cease and Desist order from 'muricans if Ember romance.

"Your honor, she may look like a child but she is actually over 100 years old."

 

[LannTheStupid]

"Your honor, she may look like a child but she is actually over 100 years old."

Didn't work for anime.

 

[Humbaba]

"Your honor, she may look like a child but she is actually over 100 years old."

Didn't work for anime.

Just don't lewd the loli pls

 

[Daidre]

There's no reference of her being actually insane or being normal prior to her burning.

I have already gave you one reference where she is called insane in clinical sence and here is the second, from the "Narrator":

The mob loves a wretch, a feeble-minded, hysterical, starry-eyed preacher — when one of these unfortunates stands on a corner and begins their sermon, a crowd will immediately gather.

Come on, this girl is not wearing any shoes and does not remember her own name, despite being around 40yo when Hulrun tried to burn her during the Third Crusade. She may be very, very special - but she is not sane with any stretch of definition.

 

[Humbaba]

There's no reference of her being actually insane or being normal prior to her burning.

I have already gave you one reference where she is called insane in clinical sence and here is the second, from the "Narrator":

The mob loves a wretch, a feeble-minded, hysterical, starry-eyed preacher — when one of these unfortunates stands on a corner and begins their sermon, a crowd will immediately gather.

Come on, this girl is not wearing any shoes and does not remember her own name, despite being around 40yo when Hulrun tried to burn her during the Third Crusade. She may be very, very special - but she is not sane with any stretch of definition.

1. Staunton is not the word of god and furthermore your enemy.

2. The second description is very obviously taking the point of view of the mob's superficial perception of Ember and is in no way indicative of her actual character.

She definitely isn't "normal" but not crazy. Her worldview is coherent and her preaching actually works.

 

[Sergiu64]

It works because they decided it would work for *reasons* or *raven patron reasons*. Realistically she's get shanked.

 

[Daidre]

She definitely isn't "normal" but not crazy. Her worldview is coherent and her preaching actually works.

Spoiler

Interesting fact: she willingly abandons her preaching after Ascension and goes to Andoletta to learn how to do good properly. Makes me wonder, if sheer amount of power poured into her fixed her head a bit.

 

[Humbaba]

Realistically

 

[Humbaba]

She definitely isn't "normal" but not crazy. Her worldview is coherent and her preaching actually works.

Spoiler

Interesting fact: she willingly abandons her preaching after Ascension and goes to Andoletta to learn how to do good properly. Makes me wonder, if sheer amount of power poured into her fixed her head a bit.

Your headcanon proves nothing.

 

[Forseti]

It works because they decided it would work for *reasons* or *raven patron reasons*. Realistically she's get shanked.

Well, her CHA is pretty damn high, or should be if you're building her right.

 

[Daidre]

Your headcanon proves nothing.

What this has to do with headcanon?

Spoiler

Ascension was a true challenge for Ember. For years she had rebuked the good gods for doing so little to help mortals, but now she finally understood the burden of divinity. Realizing that even her new powers were not enough to save all who suffered, she went to Heaven, to her "grandma" the empyreal lord Andoletta, and asked to be her apprentice — but she continued to visit the mortal world to aid the defenseless or to convince a villain to change their ways.

Moved from preaching to learning more effective methods after getting some power.

 

[Nikanuur]

So, mayhaps then, we got all confused by kinda crazy person acting very sane in one of the most rare manner possible?