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[Efe]

why avoid skald?

 

[Yosharian]

Skald is more of a support class than a MC class in my opinion but it is a very strong support class.

I would say best MC classes are either a primary spellcaster or a martial e.g. Paladin

 

[Aarwolf]

why avoid skald?

B/c it was broken in my playthroughs.

 

[Humbaba]

I would've just like them to add something that makes up for the crappy endgame instead of a space-time sidequest with even more roided mobs after slogging through 5 encounters with the same demons copy-pasted that's about some cosmic dickheads you've never seen before. One can hope for more DLC in the future but chances are owlcat are just going to move on to the next module.

Dragon Age of all things had a good way of dealing with this problem. If you sacrificed your PC in Origins and still chose to use that savefile on the Awakening expansion, the game just automatically retconned you from that Sacrifice Ending. Besides the only problem here is the secret Ascension ending and it's not even that good. The mythic path unique non-Ascension endings are way better.

Yeah, just do that, I don't care. Even with the ascension ending, just have the PC get kicked out of heaven or whatever for any reason.

There is nothing to add to the mid or early game. The main hero is no one before retaking Drezen, s/he has to endure Irabeth's stupidity and the Queen's authority. So what - in a "power fantasy" you want to endure some more hours of you being bossed around by creatures without Mythic powers? I don't think so, and, fortunately, it seems neither do Owlcat Games.

According to the season pass steam page, they are going to release some sort of survival DLC about some random guys making their way to defender's heart, which is going to have consequences for the main campaign. Not like I'm too stoked for that one either.

 

[Efe]

on the other hand companion roster lacks a skald or a bard so it can fit in better than most

skald was working fine for me in two playthroughs. what exactly was broken?

 

[Humbaba]

on the other hand companion roster lacks a skald or a bard so it can fit in better than most

Ghost Galfrey is a Thundercaller, though you only get her in act 5 as lich.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Angel is so busted that i defeated Playful darkness, solo'd entire Battlebliss and two rounded Mustafen...

YET THEY NERFED FUCKING AIVU INSTEAD

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Drezen's shops that were not updating in chapter 5 before now got a new items. For example, tavern:

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Or smith:

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Or temple:

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Looks like missing Scroll Scribing Kit 9 was just a collateral to the much bigger bug.

A +5 GREATSWORD? THEY ACTUALLY EXIST?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

So how is this game compared to Kingmaker? Did they improve upon the UI and balance? Does it railroad the player as much as KM did? As in, is there a Tomb of Vordakai like thing where the player is forced to fight a Soul Eater because the enemy somehow knows the player's name, and 2 of your party members go full retard and start blurting out their names to the crow that's clearly up to some shit? That's then followed up by one of your party members just leaving, who happens to be the only Councillor you have available?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

By yes, do you mean they made improvements, but railroad the player even harder? Win some and lose some I guess.

 

[Efe]

there are no advisor slots, cards have 2 always available responses on top of extras unlocked by companions and paths (which are usually better).

by rating yes I wanted to confuse you.
its not as bad as kingmaker but there still a path you must take and game can be a bit heavy handed

 

[Humbaba]

Angel is so busted that i defeated Playful darkness, solo'd entire Battlebliss and two rounded Mustafen...

YET THEY NERFED FUCKING AIVU INSTEAD

I don't see why they felt the need to nerf anything, this isn't an online game.

So how is this game compared to Kingmaker? Did they improve upon the UI and balance? Does it railroad the player as much as KM did? As in, is there a Tomb of Vordakai like thing where the player is forced to fight a Soul Eater because the enemy somehow knows the player's name, and 2 of your party members go full retard and start blurting out their names to the crow that's clearly up to some shit? That's then followed up by one of your party members just leaving, who happens to be the only Councillor you have available?

No something like that doesn't happen.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

there are no advisor slots, cards have 2 always available responses on top of extras unlocked by companions and paths (which are usually better).

by rating yes I wanted to confuse you.
its not as bad as kingmaker but there still a path you must take and game can be a bit heavy handed

Thanks, at least it's an improvement.
I didn't really mind the advisor system that much, it's just that they didn't really give you many to choose from unless you want to spend several thousand gold for mercs with bad advisor stats.
Which wouldn't have been so bad if the game wasn't insistent on taking them from you and locking them into specific roles for arbitrary reasons. Why can't Bartholomew be a magister? He's a mage, isn't he? Shouldn't Jubi also be eligible for a curator, since he's basically a scientist? Why couldn't Tristian be a high priest? You get the idea.
It would have been so much better if any character could take any role, but their competence depends on their stats, class and traits.

Like, Jubi could be a councilor, but he's going to need a lot of Wisdom, anyone can be a priest but unless they're a cleric they take a malus, etc.
Dropping the advisor system was probably for the best, as it does simplify matters.

 

[Humbaba]

Thanks, at least it's an improvement.
I didn't really mind the advisor system that much, it's just that they didn't really give you many to choose from unless you want to spend several thousand gold for mercs with bad advisor stats.
Which wouldn't have been so bad if the game wasn't insistent on taking them from you and locking them into specific roles for arbitrary reasons. Why can't Bartholomew be a magister? He's a mage, isn't he? Shouldn't Jubi also be eligible for a curator, since he's basically a scientist? Why couldn't Tristian be a high priest? You get the idea.
It would have been so much better if any character could take any role, but their competence depends on their stats, class and traits.

Like, Jubi could be a councilor, but he's going to need a lot of Wisdom, any cleric could be a high priest, etc.
Dropping the advisor system was probably for the best, as it does simplify matters.

Yeah, like Efe said, you just get a couple of choices to resolve a given issue and sometimes you even get nice items out of it. As for railroading, the game does not really railroad you more than most other cRPGs, and in terms of cnc and reactivity it is a major improvement. Like, there is no comparable instance to ordering the doomsayer to be executed, only for him to not be executed for no discernible reason. There are also no horrible kickstarter backer OC quests that lead to nothing. You even get the option to kill most named characters in the game if you really want to, for some people that's a sign of quality.

 

[Efe]

There are also no horrible kickstarter backer OC quests that lead to nothing

blackwater exists

 

[Humbaba]

There are also no horrible kickstarter backer OC quests that lead to nothing

blackwater exists

But I like Blackwater. That was a kickstarter quest?

 

[Efe]

yea, the backer quest from this website

 

[Humbaba]

It's my second favourite dungeon tbh even the difficulty spike isn't so bad, if you don't go there too early.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Thanks, at least it's an improvement.
I didn't really mind the advisor system that much, it's just that they didn't really give you many to choose from unless you want to spend several thousand gold for mercs with bad advisor stats.
Which wouldn't have been so bad if the game wasn't insistent on taking them from you and locking them into specific roles for arbitrary reasons. Why can't Bartholomew be a magister? He's a mage, isn't he? Shouldn't Jubi also be eligible for a curator, since he's basically a scientist? Why couldn't Tristian be a high priest? You get the idea.
It would have been so much better if any character could take any role, but their competence depends on their stats, class and traits.

Like, Jubi could be a councilor, but he's going to need a lot of Wisdom, any cleric could be a high priest, etc.
Dropping the advisor system was probably for the best, as it does simplify matters.

Yeah, like Efe said, you just get a couple of choices to resolve a given issue and sometimes you even get nice items out of it. As for railroading, the game does not really railroad you more than most other cRPGs, and in terms of cnc and reactivity it is a major improvement. Like, there is no comparable instance to ordering the doomsayer to be executed, only for him to not be executed for no discernible reason. There are also no horrible kickstarter backer OC quests that lead to nothing. You even get the option to kill most named characters in the game if you really want to, for some people that's a sign of quality.

Yeah, stuff like that happens too often in Kingmaker. I just got to the part with the Hellknights, and as a good Lawful Neutral king I ordered their leader to be arrested for you know, assaulting my subjects when I'm pretty sure I told them to be discrete in their investigation. She just walked off and the guards were like durrrrr. Not even a fight with consequences afterwards, just nothing.
What was the backer quest? It wasn't Vordakai was it? Because that is a really poorly designed dungeon with an obscene difficulty spike. Armatag's tomb was so much better.

Edit: No wait, it's the Hellknight quest, isn't it? Because I just spoke to Drevan and apparently the Lawful Neutral option is to make a deal with him. You know, the guy who flat out admitted that he killed a noble and took part in a rebellion, the antithesis of what being Lawful is about. That was...confusing.

 

[Acrux]

That quest was written by a backer and is especially egregious. It makes no sense, and the writer makes his NPC essentially take over the game during this quest.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

That quest was written by a backer and is especially egregious. It makes no sense, and the writer makes his NPC essentially take over the game during this quest.

And apparently it's unavoidable too, as its important enough to require an audience in my throne room and cause instability.
So I read about it on the wiki and you don't even get anything for turning in that git Darven. The game also forces you into a fight with the Hellknights and made them into cartoonishly evil bad guys, complete with shit attitudes.
I don't care if he donated 4k, this shouldn't have been greenlit especially as quest that can't be refused or ignored.

 

[LannTheStupid]

That one simple fact that so many people are mad at this quest is the best indication of its success. And while speaking about invulnerable Hellknights - think about your freaking G.I.'s in Iraq, Panama and everywhere else. Roleplay Manuel Noriega for a bit.

 

[Acrux]

Are you the one who wrote that quest then?

I'm not sure how people talking about how awful the quest is, and many (who don't know it was made by a backer) using it as evidence of shitty writing by Owlcat equals success. Anecdotally, I've heard of a few people quitting the game over that quest because it ruined the experience for them.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

That one simple fact that so many people are mad at this quest is the best indication of its success. And while speaking about invulnerable Hellknights - think about your freaking G.I.'s in Iraq, Panama and everywhere else. Roleplay Manuel Noriega for a bit.

I guess Frozen Outskirts and Bed of Chaos are the best parts of the Dark Souls series then.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Are you the one who wrote that quest then?

I'm not sure how people talking about how awful the quest is, and many (who don't know it was made by a backer) using it as evidence of shitty writing by Owlcat equals success. Anecdotally, I've heard of a few people quitting the game over that quest because it ruined the experience for them.

Maybe he means the quest was meant to be poorly structured and written?